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Motherboard: RDR2 Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game [update: re-instated]
- Thread starter vestan
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...because they were strangling someone else.
He's a cynic about voting in general, not her right to do so.
Who do I thank? Do I thank my parents or God? I need to know who to thank that I'm not as fucking stupid as these people?
Gaming totally has no racism or sexism problem, according to era.
The above? Totally an aberration! His account must be unbanned immediately, he did nothing wrong, according to era!
/s times infinity, obviously.
The fact that so many dude gamers felt the NPC was "annoying" is in itself telling. She's barely THERE.
Why are people frequently trying to attack everyone on this website as a collective. I thought the thread itself was far more nuanced and sympathetic than anywhere else on the web...unfortunately.
Whereever you fall on the spectrum of Shirrako getting banned, its quite clear he now considers himself a martyr for a cause he supports. That is to attack marginalized groups, get all the people who support that rhetoric on his side and then fall back on the "its just digital entertainment bro" defense when called out.
Whereever you fall on the spectrum of Shirrako getting banned, its quite clear he now considers himself a martyr for a cause he supports. That is to attack marginalized groups, get all the people who support that rhetoric on his side and then fall back on the "its just digital entertainment bro" defense when called out.
She talks about being the equal of any man and "men and women working together" to decide the future. How is that hypocritical or man-bashing? Unless there's more to this that I don't know about, there's nothing even remotely interpretable as "annoying" about her and it's the reaction to her, not her characterization, that speaks volumes.
Not surprised, just frustrated that people still act like this is normal and an "isolated" thing that shouldn't be considered as an direct attack from a group of individuals.
Really, beating up marginilized groups and minorities is fine, we need to think about the safety of people with privileges and their freedoom to be completely oppressive out there. These poor things, can't even be misogynistic and/or racist nowadays.
Banning this fuck isn't censorship.
Also, if this makes you more sad than promoting violence against women then you should reconsider a lot of things.
That she also said thing like "if women were in office, there'd be no stupidity" and "men are such judgmental pricks"
Look I know that the reaction this guy displayed is unacceptable, regardless of her characterization. But she was written right out of the alt-right playbook.
"Violence" isn't the point of the initial ban tho.
It's the hate speech, the way the videos are set in motion and the title.
The message is "killing annoying feminists is a good thing" and judging by the comments on the videos, a lot of dudes think it's ok bc feminists are extremists and deserves to be fed to aligators.
If this isn't sick to you I don't know what is.
Never said it wasnt sick, just that isnt a reason to ban the channel.
If the game allows it, why it should be censored? Can you not also kill KKK? Can you not kill innocent people? Somone could say it sends the message that is OK to murder innocent people.... so no, I dont agree with that line of though.
Youtube comment section was ALWAYS always a dumpster fire place but I think they can find a reasoning to ban him again for his comments alone. (hopefully)
You quoted them but didn't seem to understand what they're saying. Its not about what you can do, its how this guy is presenting/framing what you can do.
I know, its stick and revolting, and it shouldn't be banned IMHO since all hes doing is using the freedom thats allowed to the player on RDR2.
If you go that censorship route then one could way that the video below with that music, is making fun of murdering innocent people and his channel should be banned for it
its got very little to do with what hes doing ingame and a lot to do with reinforcing negative stereotypes and spreading hateful ideas.
your video doesn't have any relevance because murder is universally agreed on as being wrong, while a lot of people really do have ignorant views on "feminists", immigrants and people of ethnicity not their own etc which this dudes just reinforcing to hundreds of thousands of viewers who either think its normal to behave this way, or start to.
As I said before, YT comments section were always a dumpster fire so obviously his videos would get only the "best" of the crop there.
But still, I dont agree with censoring what he does thats 100% allowed in-game.
I do whatever think YT should find a way to ban him for his comments.
Yeah, let's fight generalizations with generalizations. That's literally the BS alt-righter use to discredit feminism, and that's how Rockstar writes a suffragette?!?! That's no good.
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Nobody is questioning that you can do that in the game, that's not the point and nobody is asking for that aspect to be censored.
It operates well. Calling men trash isn't calling you trash personally, but the average male in our society. These patterns exist and are real, and I can acknowledge that being a dude myself. Just like I won't cry foul when a black man or woman calls white people trash, despite being white. Because on average, white people are just that.
The exact same argument can be made about pretty much every type of human. Guess how they'll feel when you make insensitive sweeping generalizations.
How do you gather that data to say average men are trash (and white people) ?
Curious on that....
Even if such data could be gathered, correlation doesn't mean causation. Whatever characteristics the people involved may exhibit aren't necessarily because of their maleness, whiteness or lack thereof. Removing all context and making a generalization based on any given trait is the kind of argument race realists make.
I'm a male, and i can't help but feel like man are usually so insecure and ready to attack anything that threatens their privileges.
You gotta realize at some point that thinking everyone should be treated equally, is an utopy that could only be considered AFTER woman had the same rights, were considered the same and weren't treated as minority (in terms of voice and influence), or even a marginalized group.
Don't try to make an argument for people that doesn't need help and are even considered as "oppressors" in many ways. You don't go at someone beating a defenseless victim and ask what's wrong with the attacker, if they need protection for continuing their actions instead of the individual on the ground being punched. Acting like white males are in need of a barrier of protection even while they're creating the problem itself, is not only oblivious, but delusional.
Both of you are being part of the problem, trying to act like we shouldn't criticize ourselves and censoring any attempt of questioning our own actions.
There's a wide gap between "let's question our actions" and "males are shit".
I'm also not asking anyone to consider men's issues when discusing any other group's issues. You can do that without saying "males are shit" or variations thereof.
You should never assume what's wrong and right behind anybody's quotes/sentiment without context.
People say things for a reason, and to be completely honest, i'm so tired of seeing the resistance in most male fronts (specially in gaming), that i'm frustrated and exausted to the point of understanding why someone, even more a woman, would say that.
For me the group being attacked should be the priority, not the one attacking.
Lol some guy asked why so many men are being killed in video games but then this one women gets killed and people are angry
I told him calmly that they weren't being targeted because they were men and the NPC woman was being specifically targeted for being a feminist.
He blocked me lmao. I didn't even insult the guy or call him anything
I told him calmly that they weren't being targeted because they were men and the NPC woman was being specifically targeted for being a feminist.
He blocked me lmao. I didn't even insult the guy or call him anything
Can you explain the context of white men are trash? Specify the reasons why white men of all people are trash, and is it only in the US or worldwide?
What context should I extract from posts like "males are really the trash species"?
For me, this kind of mindset is reprehensible, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
Maybe generalizing people in such a way is counter-productive? There's a difference between criticizing how a group of people behave & calling everyone who belongs to that group "trash". "Men are trash" is a feel-good phrase that doesn't help and is pretty obnoxious. Of course people are going to get defensive about being called "trash" especially for behavior that they aren't personally responsible for.
Basically this. The only thing generalizations are good at is putting people on the defensive, even those who would otherwise be participating in the fight for actual justice.
I think we should recognize and strive to address the inequities women are forced to deal with along with the pervasive patterns of toxic masculinity without implying that men are inherently a subclass of human, especially if the argument is that we're all created equal.
When you look at someone with your phone out it gives you a little detail about them, occasionally the detail was their religion. Some dude made a video where he killed all the Muslims he saw.
YouTube should be taking action against all videos that glorify or promote violence against any specific type of people. Especially minorities and disenfranchised groups. If I made a video showing how "fun" it is to beat up Chinese people that shit wouldn't fly so why should this?
His argument is that he killed men, so why being punished for killing women. However, what he did was target someone just because of their gender and opinion and decided to kill and harass them in multiple ways because of it. I also saw the title where he targeted a Mexican specifically to torture. He can spin it anyway he wants, but he targeted minority groups specifically because of their minority status and tortured them.
There is a difference between running a rampage in Saint Dennis and killing anyone in the way for fun and to just dick around, and there is targeting one person constantly just because of their gender or race.
There is a difference between running a rampage in Saint Dennis and killing anyone in the way for fun and to just dick around, and there is targeting one person constantly just because of their gender or race.
It's even more sad that you take game videos seriously. I don't take the abuse of actual people regardless of their sex.
edit: It is censorship... you may not like it... it may even be well within Alphabet's rights to do this, but that doesn't change what it is. If anything people who don't like racist and sexist should be in favor of never censoring that way you let idiots bury themselves.
You can actually come back later and Arthur will have a different respone (don't know if it matters what chapter you're on). At first he's cynical about the whole voting system, but later on he is a bit more sympathetic towards her goal. I thought it was cool.
My dude, this isn't censorship. Censorship would be if this man made a pro-Trump video and YT took it down arbitrarily. What this is is a blatant & clear violation of YT's Terms of Service since it is targeted towards feminists and incites harassment towards them.
The fact that you have chosen to defend this dude speaks volumes about who you consider more important. You care more about "gamers rights" more than you do women, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to defend this dude's actions. He broke YT's rules and he got punished. If anything, your belief that he was censored is turning him into a martyr more than anyone else in this thread.
Yeah but this doesn't go against people's politics. Which shows in the end YouTube mods value that more than the actual people.
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Clearly not a violation of TOS since they brought it back up... if this was a violation of TOS then all the "kill prostitutes in GTA" videos would have been gone and their accounts banned. I'm not defending this dude's actions (all though from videos I've watched this particular NPC causes issues with purchasing from a vendor) I'm defending his right to post this stuff. I dislike current feminist rhetoric with a passion (though I support the ideas of early feminist especially sufferage era), but I would never support the actual harming of anyone for any reason other than self-defense or the defense of another from physical harm.
I live by a pretty clear code when it comes to things like this... Your rights end when they infringe on another's rights. He didn't infringe on anyone's rights and thus his right to post his poorly titled videos shouldn't be violated.
"Current feminist rhetoric." Ah yes, the incendiary rhetoric of women trying to become equal to men by having the right to choose, having the right to get paid equally, the right to not get harassed, assaulted and victim-blamed by men, and so on. Well, hey, at least you support women's right to vote.
And, as fucked as the killing prostitutes videos are, this is not an extension of that. This would be like if someone created a multi-part series dedicated to the prostitution NPC in numerous gory ways. One is disturbing enough, the other is borderline-psychopath behavior.
The fact you're "not defending him", but going all out to make sure he has the right to post this vile alt-right pandering shit means that you care more about his rights than you do the women he is enabling harassment towards. It means you don't care about his horrific bullshit enough to condemn him. You are defending him since you don't give enough of a shit about his actions or how they impact actual women who want to play games without being harassed.
User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory false equivalency surrounding sexism and harassment. History of defending hate movements.
I do care more about rights than some fake woman in a video game about murders... I gave up several years of my life before it was "cool" because I believe in those rights. I also don't care about people whose feelings get hurt because they're offended by someone exercising their freedoms. Like I said your rights end when they infringe on another's rights.
As for "equality" it's a law that equal pay must happen... doing otherwise is a criminal offense and large fines are levied in such cases. You do have a right to not be harassed, but no one seems to care when people on the other side of the fence get harassed in a restaurant with their loved ones or have people harass them while walking down the streets of NY City. Everyone should have equality of opportunity, but no one deserves something they didn't work to earn.
Also look up "GTA V: Kill The Hooker"