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What would the "Hillary Won" timeline look like now?

PostModernMaybe

PostModernMaybe

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Oct 27, 2017
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With all this talk of Dem gains in the midterms I was thinking about what things would have looked like in the version of events if Hillary won in 2016. Like from foreign policy, immigration, executive orders, and climate things would be so much better. However, with the bad congressional/senate map and the presidents party always doing badly in midterms wouldn't we be looking at republican supermajorities in congress? With that I doubt republicans would have let Hillary pass any policy of value or appoint any justices at all, combined with Hillary being unpopular maybe leading to a republican sweep in 2020.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but I'm wondering if longterm progressivism gets a better boost in this post-trump world (and trust me as a black person in the south I fucking hate Trump). What do y'all think?
 
Parthenios

Parthenios

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Oct 28, 2017
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A seven Justice Supreme Court.

A filibuster proof Senate majority, and GOP gains in the House. Maybe majorities large enough to override vetoes, which would be a disaster, but probably not because you'd need 67 Senators and the GOP wouldn't have that many. Otherwise, total gridlock, like the back half of the Obama years but probably worse.

The same economy now and a better one in a couple of years because no trade wars.

The GOP would be in great shape heading into 2020, which is also a Census.

No concentration camps.
 
Plum

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BWoog

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We would have been fucking DECIMATED on Tuesday, I can tell you that much.
 
Powdered Egg

Powdered Egg

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Red Wave of Death
More dead Arabs
Supreme Court Justice Barack Hussein Obama
Putin Am Cry
Trump TV and Fox News ruining half of the White community.
Obama sued for calling Justice Thomas a House nigga.
Hillary destabilizes Uganda to silence Joseph Kony 2012
 
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BringBackSonics

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think I see where you are going, basically saying we would get much more progressive in reaction to Trump, than we would have with a more pragmatic shift to the left with Clinton?

I can see that point, but I'd still would have taken clinton.
 

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Depends... did she get the Senate too, or not? If she got the Senate, it might have been worth it just for the ability to appoint justices, but I imagine the sheer rage and backlash against her would have led to this election being a bloodbath for Democrats.
 
Africanus II

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Oct 26, 2017
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Still illegal ongoing wars in Yemen, Syria etc
Still children being bombed
Guantanamo Bay still open
Voter suppression continuing its steady march forward
Skyrocketing rents with wages still deflated
 
Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah last night would have gone much worse.

Nevada and Arizona would have stayed in GOP hands. Florida would be a definite loss rather than just up in the air, while West Virginia and Montana would have gone red too. I think we would have also lost Ohio. Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin might have stayed blue, but I imagine the GOP would have been able to at least pick off one of them.

We would have done much worse with gubernatorial races, most if not all would have stayed red.

We'd have lost seats in the House.
 
Madison

Madison

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well, it depends of how much changes in terms of the 2016 elections.

If democrats gain two seats on the senate, that would give them enough to confirm Garland

Kennedy would still be in the bench because he's a slimeball

The house would probably stay around the same as it was before the midterms, maybe a bit worse

The senate would be absolutely fucked though
 
sphagnum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Total gridlock, neverending investigations by the GOP In Congress, maybe a failed attempt at impeachment already. Foreign policy would be much tougher against Russia and surging nationalism across the world, but it wouldn't matter because Hillary would lose to whatever Republican would win in 2020.
 
louisacommie

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Oct 25, 2017
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If we take the senate too in 2016


Scalia is replaced by a progressive person

Rbg and breyer retired and replaced by young progressives



I doubt Kennedy retires

Lower courts stacked with way less rightwing judges


Dems destroyed in the house and 2020 looking bad


But supreme court probably destroys citizen United and gerry mandering
 
sersteven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Here's a link of all the legislation that Trump signed into law or enacted in just 2017 alone:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/president-trump-legislation/index.html

While there are definitely quite a few bipartisan general stuff in there that any sitting president would sign and Trump has been no different on, some of the stuff in there is pretty awful and flows with his deregulation and dismantling of many Obama era policies.

We'd also wouldn't have Kavanaugh or Gorsuch in office, but probably would have a huge standstill with seats vacant for years.
 

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Chaffetz still in the House
Hillary under continuous investigations
No progress due to gridlock
Gain of 1/2/3 liberal Justices, uncertain if Kennedy would resign under Clinton
Midterms would be a slaughter for Dems
2020 Republican Prez
 
lunarworks

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The Republican House and Senate would have tried to impeach her the day after her inauguration. Emails, Benghazi, whatever they could find...
 
Africanus II

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Oh yeah, and the 2018 midterms would have had the worst turn out since WWII, as people are only motivated by the most overt bumbling racism and even then barely so
 
Myradeer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Republicans would be more dominant today, but there definitely would be less Trumpian school of politics. not to mention the fact that supreme court situation would be far better.
 
PlanetSmasher

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Endless Republican obstruction but at least we wouldn't be living in a Nazi-infested hellhole.

It would be a shit timeline, but just...less shit than the one we're in now.
 
Transistor

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Oct 25, 2017
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I used to think it would be better, but I honestly now believe that America needed to see how bad it would be with Trump to make anything better
 
HomerSimpson-Man

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The supreme count wouldn't be stacked by 2 conservative judges for the rest of my lifetime and the awful Exceutive Orders just to stick it to Obama doesn't happen and not empower white power nationalists with one being in charge
 
NecroTechno

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Things would be slightly better for some people, but the cruel system that is the American empire would continue to oppress domestically and abroad as HRC is, like all ranking members of the Democrats, ultimately a slave to capital.
 
Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know if that'd be true. The Senate refused to even look at Obama's pick, what would have stopped them from refusing to look at anyone Clinton would've chosen?
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If they refused to elect an supreme court nominee for 3 years straight then it would've been a huge drag on them. Even then, the supreme court would've been in a better position.
 
julian

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If I were an unaffected class, I might have the luxury of being this aloof...but I'm not.
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Anything done to benefit you would've had to have been done through executive order, and as we've learned those are temporary and can be easily changed.

Republicans would've continued to gridlock and to further consolidate power, making the damage they could do when they gained full power even more frightening. It's honestly one of the reasons I never understood the rosey view some people espouse when talking about a Hillary presidency.

Rebuilding from the ground up in local governments is clearly the way to make lasting changes. Republicans proved the model, time for Democrats to show they have the numbers to really make it work.

Here's hoping.
 
jeelybeans

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mael said:
they already said that they wouldn't have looked at Clinton's nominees if Clinton won.
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How is this fair? So they'd delay a supreme court pick for five years? What if a dem president kept winning and they kept keeping the senate. 9 years? 13 years? Their original excuse was it was Obama's last year.
 
Nassudan

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Dems would have been eviscerated on Tuesday and there was a good chance someone worse than Trump (but more "presidential") would be in office.
 
DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Constant harrassment, conspiracy theories, and disruption from.the right

Just like Obama but worse

Other than that Im not sure
 
mael

mael

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jeelybeans said:
How is this fair? So they'd delay a supreme court pick for five years? What if a dem president kept winning and they kept keeping the senate. 9 years? 13 years? Their original excuse was it was Obama's last year.
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As long as they don't get punished for it it's fair game.
Why should they stop when it's working for them?
Process is fine and all but if people don't give a fuck about it, it's entirely pointless.
 
Disclaimer

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Parthenios said:
A seven Justice Supreme Court.

A filibuster proof Senate majority, and GOP gains in the House. Maybe majorities large enough to override vetoes, which would be a disaster, but probably not because you'd need 67 Senators and the GOP wouldn't have that many. Otherwise, total gridlock, like the back half of the Obama years but probably worse.

The same economy now and a better one in a couple of years because no trade wars.

The GOP would be in great shape heading into 2020, which is also a Census.

No concentration camps.
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This is all rather spot on, I feel.

Much as I think Hillary Clinton would have been a phenomenal president, winning a third consecutive Democratic Presidential term would have almost certainly ensured we lost badly in 2018, rather than this very real blue wave at local levels, which would mean the country would be almost literally unsalvageable. We'd lose the Presidency in 2020 to a GOP that controls all forms of government in a census year.

The Supreme Court would be sitting derelict because the GOP Senate wouldn't confirm anyone after the profound success they found in stonewalling Merrick Garland.
 
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