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kswiston

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Sense

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In a year when the 3 MCU films made $4B worldwide, I doubt he cares how other superhero studios are doing.

But Sony has at least a new franchise, if not a viable cinematic universe .
No doubt. It was more a joke.

Sony does have a stronger hand going back to the table for Spider-Man negotiations but with fox acquisition, feige also can afford to walk away so will be interesting to see what will shake out.
 
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Anyhow, with this larger than expected opening in China, Venom will officially pass Justice League worldwide this weekend.
 

Rvaan

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https://mobile.twitter.com/gavinfeng97/status/1060910644487024642

Sony popping champagne and Kevin feige flipping tables trying to figure out how a half baked movie like venom is beating many of his highly rated standalone movies ;)

Let me recycle a post here.
Marvel: Oh no!
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Anyhow, with this larger than expected opening in China, Venom will officially pass Justice League worldwide this weekend.
Just like we all thought.
Checks notes.
Wait a minute...
 

NealMcCauley

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Grinch $2.2M

The Dr. Seuss classic, Universal's second go-round with the property after a 2000 Ron-Howard-directed live action version that was the highest grossing film of that year with $260M stateside, is expected to make $60M per tracking, but some box office analysts believe this film is going much higher in U.S./Canada, between $70M-$80M. Advance ticket sales on Fandango are pacing ahead of Illumination's Sing from Dec. 2016, which had a five-day launch of $55.8M. Overseas in 23 markets, including UK and Brazil, The Grinch is expected to deliver around $10M.

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The Girl in the Spider's Web which is tracking at $9M-$10M at 2,929 theaters saddled with lackluster reviews at 49% Rotten, and Paramount/Bad Robot's zombie World War II movie Overlord, which is expected to make around the same at 2,859 venues off great reviews, 82% fresh. Bohemian Rhapsody meanwhile is expected to have a solid hold like most musicals do in the -40% to -45% range with $28M-$30M.
 

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Was hoping for a surprise since they had a different writer, but eh. I should had known better.

I'm guessing because it's Illumination, $250M DOM and $800M WW is the floor.



Oh, but Miyamoto is overseeing the Super Mario movie and it will stick true to his vision or something like that

(That only works if Miyamoto and co. has a Schulz family-level creative control as they did for Blue Sky's The Peanuts Movie. Nevermind fandom complaints about Miyamoto supposedly interfering with Mario stories [Galaxy 2 and Paper Mario entries] as it is...)
Wait, no, Sony owns Peanuts.
Does that mean Blue Sky (Disney I guess) won't be making a sequel? :(
 

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I want Sony to really lose their fucking minds and cast their own Spider-Man for the Venomverse
 
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I think once Spider-Verse is out people are probably going to be more open to the idea of multiple Spider-Men (or Women!) existing in movies. I'd be okay with Sony having their own Spider-Man.
 

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That trailer those reviews and these results. Venom has been something for sure. Its like jumanji nobody expecting it to do this well.
 
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Maoyan, a major online ticket seller/film news website in China, is now projecting around 1.4B RMB for Venom in China. Which would be around 200M USD.
 

MotiD

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Maoyan, a major online ticket seller/film news website in China, is now projecting around 1.4B RMB for Venom in China. Which would be around 200M USD.

Kind of obvious, but this is for the entire run and not for opening weekend right?
Where would that place it among other superhero films?
 

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Jumanji was more of a surprise.
The fact the first Venom trailer had over $60m views and 1.5+m likes showed there was considerable interest in it.
Yeah venom had considerable interest for sure. But after the reviews people definitely expected it to bomb or do mediocre. This is fabulous.
 
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Kind of obvious, but this is for the entire run and not for opening weekend right?
Where would that place it among other superhero films?

Yes. Full run. I should have specified.

Only Age of Ultron and Infinity War broke 200M for superhero films in China. Aou was around 235M. But Infinity War was 375M.
 

Seeya

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Venom beating Avengers movies in any market is nuts.

>200M @ China more & more likely.

800M WW would be amazing.

It won't happen but imagine if it somehow dethroned Spider-Man Homecoming (WW). XD

Still, 800m WW puts it well into the same 'league'.

(If anyone gets the wrong idea: I by no means dislike the MCU, it would just be a drama fest)

This is beyond a spectacular result for Sony (and Tencent). I wonder how many peices of his soul Rothman has left to sell to the devil.
 
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Seeya

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I think once Spider-Verse is out people are probably going to be more open to the idea of multiple Spider-Men (or Women!) existing in movies. I'd be okay with Sony having their own Spider-Man.

I think Miles is going to be designated for CG films, but that could change. It would get kind of messy, lore wise, if Spider-people (plural) just start popping up in the same place with the same sort of origins.

Spider-verse though, that gives them a conceit that allows for there to be a lot of different spider-people in their own worlds who can then interact.

I wonder if Sony's longer term plan ends up introducing a lot of characters through their own realities, only to have a crisis like event that brings a lot of them together into one universe.

Sony and Marvel have attempted to avoid stepping on each others toes when it comes to character use. I doubt Sony will piss on Marvel after one hit, since Spider-Man in the MCU is a huge part of what gives them synergy for their pwn projects. Even though they can, I doubt that Sony is going to seperate their live action stuff that is at present soft connected to the MCU, but we can easily see them have some live action that takes place in another reality.

One things for sure, I don't think Feige is terribly impressed at the notion that Tom Holland could go from THE Spider-Man to A Spider-Man. Not that Sony wants to explicitly divide their live action stuff from Tom Holland's Spider-Man. With Spider-verse, everything from Riami Spidey to Garfield's technically 'counts', and that's just the tip of the icebergs for its implications.

But the negotiations for the new deal are going to be changing everything or nothing so we'll see.
 
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Wait, no, Sony owns Peanuts.
Does that mean Blue Sky (Disney I guess) won't be making a sequel? :(
Blue Sky won't make a sequel but it's not because of Sony, Fox only had the rights for one film and the estate/Jean Schultz didn't seem to want another one any time soon (the first one took like 8 years before all was said and done). This is way before Sony bought a stake in the Peanuts rights.
Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) has acquired a stake in the classic "Peanuts" brand, created by Charles M. Schulz, from DHX Media. The two companies announced a strategic partnership Monday that sees Sony indirectly purchase 49% of DHX Media's 80% stake in "Peanuts" for $185 million in cash. Following the deal, DHX Media will own 41% of the brand, Sony 39% and the Schulz family 20%.
via Variety
 

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I will eat my crow over Venom, but I'm still very skeptical of Sony being able to replicate that success in future movies.
I am sure they can do similar numbers with the sequel showing off venom and carnage fighting it out and hopefully with a better and tighter script now that the origin stuff out of the way. The expectations need to be much lower with stuff like morbius and kraven. I am sure the budget will be half of venom too for those movies
 

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Blue Sky won't make a sequel but it's not because of Sony, Fox only had the rights for one film and the estate/Jean Schultz didn't seem to want another one any time soon (the first one took like 8 years before all was said and done). This is way before Sony bought a stake in the Peanuts rights.

via Variety
Ah, thanks. For some reason I thought Sony bought half of the franchise, but apparently misread and they only bought half of DHX's ownership.

Thank God, let's hope they keep it that way, the movie was great as it is, please don't let SPA touch the franchise.

I am sure they can do similar numbers with the sequel showing off venom and carnage fighting it out and hopefully with a better and tighter script now that the origin stuff out of the way. The expectations need to be much lower with stuff like morbius and kraven. I am sure the budget will be half of venom too for those movies
Morbius will do well. Not Venom well, but with a smaller budget and a promotional tie-in to the Venom-verse and Jared Leto, I can see it doing ~450 million worldwide.
Kraven's script apparently calls for a Spider-Man, so it could do well if cast right.

I want to see what happens with Bloodshot. If it performs as well as Venom, does Sony go full throttle on both universes?
 

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Ah, thanks. For some reason I thought Sony bought half of the franchise, but apparently misread and they only bought half of DHX's ownership.

Thank God, let's hope they keep it that way, the movie was great as it is, please don't let SPA touch the franchise.


Morbius will do well. Not Venom well, but with a smaller budget and a promotional tie-in to the Venom-verse and Jared Leto, I can see it doing ~450 million worldwide.
Kraven's script apparently calls for a Spider-Man, so it could do well if cast right.

I want to see what happens with Bloodshot. If it performs as well as Venom, does Sony go full throttle on both universes?

It makes sense for Sony to be cautious with valiant at least scope and budget. Valliant might as well be 'a studio invented new heroes' as far aspeople know. The upshot is that it has a wide range of content that is suitable for different ratings and genres that can be leveraged.

Sony will be very likely to view Valiant as a flexible, low risk, high upshot property. If they're smart they can use characters and stories to fill in gaps that Venom-verse can't easily address, as well as to fill holes in their overall lineup.

Kraven could end up surprising people. A story inspired by Kravens Last Hunt from his perspective could be legitimately good. People under-estimate how much collective consciousness there is for 90s Spider-Man characters just off of the cartoon, never mind everything else.

If Venom proved anything it's that Spider-Man's villains have a greater potential, on their own merits, than just being the villain of week in the next Tom Holland movie. People praise Superior foes of Spider-Man for that reason.
 
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Is The Grinch expected to have good legs?

It's going to have fierce competition with Wreck it Ralph 2 and Spiderverse in a couple weeks time, but it may get Christmas Bump as well.

Reviews have been mediocre, but it's not like mediocre reviews have stopped Illumination in the past, Lorax reviewed worse and still made $200 million in the US.

You bet that Illumination probably will continue advertising it well into the holidays. They probably spend 5x as much on Advertisements than the actual film itself.
 
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