Why is everyone so sure the consoles will use Zen 2 and not Zen 1 or 3?
Zen 3 could be doable, Zen 1 is not going to happen. There's no point in porting Zen 1 to 7nm and no one in their right mind will be using 14nm for high end SoCs in 2020.Why is everyone so sure the consoles will use Zen 2 and not Zen 1 or 3?
Why is everyone so sure the consoles will use Zen 2 and not Zen 1 or 3?
Sure are a lot of numbers here. Not any closer to solving the riddle though. Can we fast forward 4 months.
On Planet ERA, where people who want overpriced consoles think they can "compromise", by releasing two SKUs.
As in, they don't consider the massive costs that such a dual release would incur, as well as the limitations the games would have to be to cater to the weaker hardware, making the expensive console pointless.
Sometimes I wonder why there is such a crowd who are absolutely fearful of PCs, and yet trying to push PC standards onto consoles. Consoles and PCs are separate for a good reason. Both have merits, but merging the two just gives you the worst of both words.
Dude lol. People really act like multiple SKUs aren't a thing platforms tried literally a gen ago and realized one was infinitely better lol
If you don't know the difference between a midgen upgrade and launching 2 SKUs, then I really see no point arguing with you on the matter of hardware manufacturing.Yeah, multiple SKUs is such huge problem, it's never been a succes....... "Looks at the Xbox One S, Xbox One X, PS4 & PS4 Pro"
I think Sony and Microsoft are enjoying being able to sell to the $250 crowd and the $500 crowd and the resulting profits just fine, thank you very much.
If you don't know the difference between a midgen upgrade and launching 2 SKUs, then I really see no point arguing with you on the matter of hardware manufacturing.
Very good description. AMD currently has the "uncore" (I/O) @ 12nm using Global Foundries.
I'd add that DARPA has paid AMD to develop Chiplet building blocks for their projects by 2020-2021. The US Department of Energy has paid AMD to develop a Exa-scale computer that will be built with 10,000 APUs that are assembled from GPU and CPU chiplets without video I/O.
The crux of the DARPA program is to develop a new technological framework in which different functionalities and blocks of intellectual property—among them data storage, computation, signal processing, and managing the form and flow of data—can be segregated into small chiplets, which then can be mixed, matched, and combined onto an interposer, somewhat like joining the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Conceivably an entire conventional circuit board with a variety of different but full-sized chips could be shrunk down onto a much smaller interposer hosting a huddle of yet far smaller chiplets.
AMD is in the running for Department Of Energy Invests $258 Million To Build An Exascale Supercomputer
On Thursday, the United States Department of Energy's Exascale Computing Project announced it was awarding six companies -- AMD, Cray, HPE, IBM, Intel and Nvidia -- $258 million to research building the nation's first exascale supercomputer.
An exascale supercomputer would be capable of computing 1 million trillion floating-point operations per second.
The funding will be doled out over a three-year period. The Obama Administration made the first commitment to an exascale supercomputer in 2015. This new set of investments accelerates the time frame from 2023 to 2021.
did you just compare mid-gen refreshes and slim models to having multiple SKUs at launch......Yeah, multiple SKUs is such huge problem, it's never been a succes....... "Looks at the Xbox One S, Xbox One X, PS4 & PS4 Pro"
I think Sony and Microsoft are enjoying being able to sell to the $250 crowd and the $500 crowd and the resulting profits just fine, thank you very much.
I disagree.Pro in 2016 had Polaris class GPU with some Vega features before Polaris was even out as a PC card,not to mention Vega.
Maybe due to being a mid-gen refresh they were able to be aggressive, but with PS5 needing an entirely new CPU as well as GPU they will need more time? I dunno. I still don't see how they have enough time to sort yields out when Navi is still being worked on atm.
It's November, so to launch in Fall 2019 they have like what, 6 months to finalise every aspect of the hardware and product? Ehhh.
IPC gains in the footnotes:
That's a 29% gain over Zen. 23% over Zen+. I don't know the applicability of DKERN, but those are extremely promising numbers.
And based on this post, a Zen 2 die is only about 70-80mm^2. That includes PCIe but not memory controllers, and presumably up to 32MB cache. That's extremely good news for next gen consoles.
well, they won't be waiting until this AMD presentation and then giving them a call - they'll have seen this and their roadmap well ahead of time. Just like they saw polaris/Vega info long before it was made public.
So you can't necessarily read anything into launch timing based on this AMD event.
With no rumours or leaks or anything regarding PS5 specs or hardware I imagine their APU design or whatever is still in the oven.
So again, I don't see how they are going to launch in 2019.
With no rumours or leaks or anything regarding PS5 specs or hardware I imagine their APU design or whatever is still in the oven.
So again, I don't see how they are going to launch in 2019.
Math comparison is useless for normal people. We need to showcase the Zen2 improvement using the proper, internationally accepted, comparison method...
... of DBZ power levels.
Has anyone got a rough idea of how the original PS4's power draw is split up between CPU, GPU, memory, HD, optical drive and other features?
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
did you just compare mid-gen refreshes and slim models to having multiple SKUs at launch......
this is probably going to be my last reply to you, because it seems you dont really understand how this works. to put it very simply:Why not? Microsoft and Apple release multiple SKUs of the Surface and iPad at the same time.
You guys are still stuck in the old-school console world where everything was coded to the the very custom and one-off metal.
Welcome to the new console world (especially for Microsoft) where the hardware is hidden behind a wall of software APIs.
-Developers will be able to make a game for a $250 console a $500 console and even a $100 streaming-only box with almost zero extra effort.
-Microsoft will be able to say they have the cheapest console AND be able to say they have the most powerful console
All your hand wringing about the complexity of multiple SKUs and hardware is ringing totally hollow to me... they do this already with other devices. Consoles are the same.
Someone sent that to me too. It is extremely fake. Like I've said a million times before, don't count on 2019.Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
With no rumours or leaks or anything regarding PS5 specs or hardware I imagine their APU design or whatever is still in the oven.
So again, I don't see how they are going to launch in 2019.
Someone sent that to me too. It is extremely fake. Like I've said a million times before, don't count on 2019.
RIP :(Someone sent that to me too. It is extremely fake. Like I've said a million times before, don't count on 2019.
The PS4 Pro got another revision to trim acoustics. This continual improvement is a good sign. Hopefully they're learning for PS5.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-playstation-4-pro-cuh-7200-review
Someone sent that to me too. It is extremely fake. Like I've said a million times before, don't count on 2019.
Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
bodes very well, their launch engineering left a lot to be desired. they need to get One X quiet out of the gate.The PS4 Pro got another revision to trim acoustics. This continual improvement is a good sign. Hopefully they're learning for PS5.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-playstation-4-pro-cuh-7200-review
It is on the small side, but we're helped by the fact that top resolution is very unlikely to change this generation (4K) and Navi will have HBCC and more memory compression techniques to lighten memory usage.Am I the only one who thinks 16 gigs of ram would be a small number for a true generation jump? Of course, anything above that would greatly affect the final price, even more with them releasing an improved version of the same console in the future. But I would like to see the strongest console possible from the start, with something between 18 and 24 gigs.
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
What do you mean by "what happened with PS4 Pro"?Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
To be fair he is not kodera to make that call.he is telling u what he has heard from people in industry. Be realstic, we are 12 month away from late 2019 and we don't even have a project name of ps5 let alone specs . And reason is that it probably isn't even finalised on Sony's end yet.Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_DqP5DG7w or just a good guess. OLED for PSVR2 is likely wrong, 1080P/eye resolution for PSVR2 likely wrong. . Stream processors 3640 are not a multiple of 64
I cannot definitively say "2019 isn't happening" because I do not work for Sony and I have not been briefed on the PS5. All I can say is that people I've talked to about this, some of whom have been briefed, do not believe that 2019 is happening.
Ruling something out implies that you have some information to stave your conclusion. And as he keeps saying, while he's erring towards 2019 probably not being the case, he doesn't really have any conclusive statements to say that it definitely won't be the case.Genuine question Jason. Why do you refrain from just saying 2019 isn't happening and rule it out once and for all? Something must be causing the hesitation over and above things can change.
Is what happened with PS4 Pro causing you to pause just in case?