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  • Nothing!

    Votes: 333 49.1%
  • MacBook Air

    Votes: 54 8.0%
  • Mac mini

    Votes: 64 9.4%
  • iPad Pro 11”

    Votes: 150 22.1%
  • iPad Pro 12.9”

    Votes: 117 17.3%

  • Total voters
    678

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
Read a couple bits that the logic board has to come out of the Mini to remove the metal cage covering the RAM.
 

Aiii

何これ
Member
Oct 24, 2017
8,190
I get that people want easy to replace RAM, but you have to cut Apple some slack here, they're fitting an entire laptop sized computer into a case the size of a cookie tin, of course it's gonna be stacked top to bottom with tech and it's not going to be easy to get into and it's not going to be like a laptop where everything is nicely spaced out and you can just put a connector on the side with a removable panel.
 

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
I get that people want easy to replace RAM, but you have to cut Apple some slack here, they're fitting an entire laptop sized computer into a case the size of a cookie tin, of course it's gonna be stacked top to bottom with tech and it's not going to be easy to get into and it's not going to be like a laptop where everything is nicely spaced out and you can just put a connector on the side with a removable panel.

That's fine. They could have been more clear with their communication. As-is, they can expect a ton of returns.

The T2 chip is also being used to lock down so other OS cannot be installed. There is a Windows 10 exemption with Bootcamp, but apparently the user cannot turn this off.

I'll be tinkering with mine a bit, and I'll be using it to salvage some files from a problematic Mac Pro, then Apple can have it back.
 
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Veliladon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,559
The T2 chip is also being used to lock down so other OS cannot be installed. There is a Windows 10 exemption with Bootcamp, but apparently the user cannot turn this off.

apple-Startup-Security-Utility.png
 

degauss

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,631
I priced up selling my desktop machine parts and replacing it with a macmini/egpu, unfortunately I don't think I can afford it right now.

Not only that but Apple need to get real with supporting Nvidia cards.
 
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Crazymoogle

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
2,884
Asia
  • Picked up my iPad Pro and Pencil2 this morning (Asia, so it's already near end of business day here). It's really phenomenal how light and thin the 12.9" model is compared to the OG Pro. (And maybe some of that is just not yet having the OG in one hand and this one in the other, but the size difference is unquestionable) Silver is not as nice looking as on the website, but honestly, it's fine either way. I think Gold would have sold the most if it was available...

  • Apple Store hack worked yet again. Just wait until launch day, order for ISPU, go pick up later in the day to dodge the line. If you don't preorder in the initial launch window, it's a great way to avoid a 12-14 day wait on shipping. (Pencil for whatever reason took a couple of days to become preorderable in Asia) Maybe in the US you could do ISPU on preorder but here that seems to be an iPhone only thing?
 

jon bones

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,025
NYC
  • Picked up my iPad Pro and Pencil2 this morning (Asia, so it's already near end of business day here). It's really phenomenal how light and thin the 12.9" model is compared to the OG Pro. (And maybe some of that is just not yet having the OG in one hand and this one in the other, but the size difference is unquestionable) Silver is not as nice looking as on the website, but honestly, it's fine either way. I think Gold would have sold the most if it was available...

  • Apple Store hack worked yet again. Just wait until launch day, order for ISPU, go pick up later in the day to dodge the line. If you don't preorder in the initial launch window, it's a great way to avoid a 12-14 day wait on shipping. (Pencil for whatever reason took a couple of days to become preorderable in Asia) Maybe in the US you could do ISPU on preorder but here that seems to be an iPhone only thing?

Do you have to wait until the store opens? I want to do ISPU for a Pro but the store isn't open yet and the option does not exist.
 

phonicjoy

Banned
Jun 19, 2018
4,305
That's fine. They could have been more clear with their communication. As-is, they can expect a ton of returns.

The T2 chip is also being used to lock down so other OS cannot be installed. There is a Windows 10 exemption with Bootcamp, but apparently the user cannot turn this off.

This is apparently not true, and I haven't seen any reports off apple geniusses turning away people because of user replacable ram (unless that was the cause of the failure, which is possible).

In fact, secure boot should work with windows, but not with other OS's. Seems like a game of telephone kind of mistake to me.
 

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
This is apparently not true, and I haven't seen any reports off apple geniusses turning away people because of user replacable ram (unless that was the cause of the failure, which is possible).

In fact, secure boot should work with windows, but not with other OS's. Seems like a game of telephone kind of mistake to me.

This is where I read the Linux bit: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/06/apple_mac_linux_woes/

I hope that it is not true, but it isn't something I pulled out of my hind quarters.

The RAM reports appeared on Macrumors forum.
 

phonicjoy

Banned
Jun 19, 2018
4,305
This is where I read the Linux bit: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/06/apple_mac_linux_woes/

I hope that it is not true, but it isn't something I pulled out of my hind quarters.

The RAM reports appeared on Macrumors forum.

If its a thing at all (the register points to a reddit thread), that must be a bug: T2 isn't new and we haven't heard anything from iMac Pro users. Replacing RAM doesn't void warranty, so I take those reports with a large bag of salt. It could be individual employees unclear on policy, the actual problem being something else, damage that was actually caused by bad RAM, or just a customer with an attitude.
 

Crazymoogle

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
2,884
Asia
Do you have to wait until the store opens? I want to do ISPU for a Pro but the store isn't open yet and the option does not exist.

iPad Pro was available online this morning, so not midnight sharp but somewhere between 1 and 6 am. The Store app asked me to update and once I did I could order. The Store App shows a preview of your delivery options once you pick the options down to WiFi, and it was either

Delivery: 19-21st
Store Pickup: Today

The only people making mistakes was the inexplicable lineup outside of people wanting to just buy an iPad straight up. They had a separate lineup inside that was for ISPU...
 

Just Progress

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
131
iPad Pro was available online this morning, so not midnight sharp but somewhere between 1 and 6 am. The Store app asked me to update and once I did I could order. The Store App shows a preview of your delivery options once you pick the options down to WiFi, and it was either

Delivery: 19-21st
Store Pickup: Today

The only people making mistakes was the inexplicable lineup outside of people wanting to just buy an iPad straight up. They had a separate lineup inside that was for ISPU...

Hmm thanks for the tip but my Apple Store App still says Store Pickup unavailable.
 

StuBurns

Self Requested Ban
Banned
Nov 12, 2017
7,273
The new Mini is real pretty. The lower contrast with the Apple logo is much slicker than the silver one.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,105
Sweden
Picked up my iPad Pro and Pencil2 this morning (Asia, so it's already near end of business day here). It's really phenomenal how light and thin the 12.9" model is compared to the OG Pro. (And maybe some of that is just not yet having the OG in one hand and this one in the other, but the size difference is unquestionable) Silver is not as nice looking as on the website, but honestly, it's fine either way. I think Gold would have sold the most if it was available...

Gold usually doesn't appear on iOS devices until the "2nd generation of a redesign".

iPhone 5 -> iPhone 5S
iPhone X -> iPhone XS
iPad Air -> iPad Air 2

iPhone 6 would be the exception, I guess. But look forward to it next year!
 

iFirez

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,585
England
Do you miss the home button at all?
I also upgraded to an iPhone XS this year and it took me a day or two to get used to not having a home button anymore. I think at first it feels strange because you're so used to certain things with the button but after a few days it becomes clear that swiping is actually faster and more convenient when different swipes allow you to unlock, see apps and switch apps. I'm not sure I'll ever use any of the physical buttons on this iPad as I've turned it on and turned the volume all the way up. I can do everything else I want now from within the OS including changing volume, brightness and the space bar on the keyboard will be my way to 'wake' the iPad to start using it.
 

Aiii

何これ
Member
Oct 24, 2017
8,190
So, first thing I do is launch Spotify, only to see the app hasn't been updated to the 11" yet and it has black bars on the side.

Good job Spotify, you had an entire week!

-edit: unsurprisingly, tons of non-optimized apps. Either letterboxed, or have the home bar running through app functions.
 
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iFirez

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,585
England
I desperately need an adapter that works with the new iPad that has a headphone port and another usb-c port for charging. Not just a single adapter for headphones in. I often watch Netflix with headphones on and charge the iPad at the same time.
 

phonicjoy

Banned
Jun 19, 2018
4,305
Yeah, the Bootcamp Assistant enables the boot loader to trust OSes signed by a particular MS certificate, but not a different MS cert that some Linux distros apparently use.

Like I said, you should be able to do so on unsecured boot. If that doesnt work, thats a bug (as the register article you refer to implies as well.)
 

Deleted member 2474

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Oct 25, 2017
4,318
Mac Mini RAM Upgrade with pics:

Is RAM upgradeable in the Mac Mini?

Pics:

Is RAM upgradeable in the Mac Mini?

Not something I am concerned about personally, and definitely worth it for 32GB. Not sure I want to mess with it for the 16GB savings.

Yeah, it sounds like it's just a matter of twisting a bunch of screws, basically. The Apple tax on 16GB RAM is low enough that it's probably worth just getting that up front, but it'll be nice to be able to upgrade to 32GB or 64GB down the road if you want to.
 

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
So it isn't a huge issue, but my Mini has significant coil whine during disk access. For the price paid.. not too pleased.

I think I might just punt on this one.
 

Zanosuke

Member
Oct 27, 2017
65
Well f*ck.. Recieved my first iPad Pro (12.9, 256) yesterday with all the accessories (pencil/smart keyboard). Installed a few apps (good notes, spotify ect) and turned it off with 45 % left. Used it for 30 min this morning, folded the cover so it was put to sleep. Two hours later when I open it, nothing happens. Try to turn it on again. Nothing happens. Connect it to the power cable. Nothing happens... So yay? Been talking to the support for two hours and first they told me that they were gonna use one of my two uses of apple care + and I was like hell no?! Why?! This is a hardware fault so after many turns and people they connected me to some person who made a recall-errand. Gonna send it back next week but have two wait 2-3 for a new.. Sigh.. Just my luck! Hope yours lives longer!

UPDATE: customer service gave me wrong reboot-code (was guided twice). Tried the correct one and it booted!
 
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Aiii

何これ
Member
Oct 24, 2017
8,190
2-3 weeks? What?

Either take it to an Apple Store and get it replaced then and there immediately, or send it in tomorrow when the box arrives and get the new one two (working)days after that.
 
OP
OP

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Well f*ck.. Recieved my first iPad Pro (12.9, 256) yesterday with all the accessories (pencil/smart keyboard). Installed a few apps (good notes, spotify ect) and turned it off with 45 % left. Used it for 30 min this morning, folded the cover so it was put to sleep. Two hours later when I open it, nothing happens. Try to turn it on again. Nothing happens. Connect it to the power cable. Nothing happens... So yay? Been talking to the support for two hours and first they told me that they were gonna use one of my two uses of apple care + and I was like hell no?! Why?! This is a hardware fault so after many turns and people they connected me to some person who made a recall-errand. Gonna send it back next week but have two wait 2-3 for a new.. Sigh.. Just my luck! Hope yours lives longer!

2-3 weeks? What?

Either take it to an Apple Store and get it replaced then and there immediately, or send it in tomorrow when the box arrives and get the new one two (working)days after that.

Just to note, these things are likely so new that even Apple Stores don't have replacement stock just yet.

Zanosuke, where did you buy it?
 

RoKKeR

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,389
Any word on the base processor for the Mac Mini? I run Lightroom and GarageBand for recording and that's about it in terms of heavy processing. Think it should be sufficient? Will probably throw 16GB of RAM in there to be safe.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Any word on the base processor for the Mac Mini? I run Lightroom and GarageBand for recording and that's about it in terms of heavy processing. Think it should be sufficient? Will probably throw 16GB of RAM in there to be safe.

It should be fine. Unless you're doing huge amount of track effects and the like I haven't run into significant slowdowns in Garageband since literally the G5 era. Not too familiar with Lightroom's optimizations, but I don't think it's heavily processor-bound and some of its video-accelerated stuff doesn't work in mac anyhow.
 

RoKKeR

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,389
It should be fine. Unless you're doing huge amount of track effects and the like I haven't run into significant slowdowns in Garageband since literally the G5 era. Not too familiar with Lightroom's optimizations, but I don't think it's heavily processor-bound and some of its video-accelerated stuff doesn't work in mac anyhow.
Got it, thanks! Think I'll just go with that then.

Pumped to finally be able to drive a 4k60 display and it have to pay out the ass for useless laptop features/Touch Bar, etc. glad the Mini is back.
 

flyover

Member
Oct 26, 2017
834
Got it, thanks! Think I'll just go with that then.

Pumped to finally be able to drive a 4k60 display and it have to pay out the ass for useless laptop features/Touch Bar, etc. glad the Mini is back.
Yeah, you should be fine with that setup. Adding an SSD to my 2014 Mini made the biggest difference with GarageBand/Logic. Now they don't crap out at all.
 

Zanosuke

Member
Oct 27, 2017
65
Just to note, these things are likely so new that even Apple Stores don't have replacement stock just yet.

Zanosuke, where did you buy it?

2-3 weeks? What?

Either take it to an Apple Store and get it replaced then and there immediately, or send it in tomorrow when the box arrives and get the new one two (working)days after that.

A quick update!! So I had prepared it for a return when I read my forumpost on macrumors about my experience and one of the users responed to my post regarding which reboot-code the customer service had given me: "short press Volume down, then up and then hold Power" and he was like: "If it's like the iPhone X, it is volume up, then down, and hold the power button.". Unpacked my iPad, tried it and voila, it booted!! Battery was almost drained (which was strange since it had been a brick) but seems to work! Charging now..
 
OP
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A quick update!! So I had prepared it for a return when I read my forumpost on macrumors about my experience and one of the users responed to my post regarding which reboot-code the customer service had given me: "short press Volume down, then up and then hold Power" and he was like: "If it's like the iPhone X, it is volume up, then down, and hold the power button.". Unpacked my iPad, tried it and voila, it booted!! Battery was almost drained (which was strange since it had been a brick) but seems to work! Charging now..

Ha, I assumed Apple Support would have you do that. Glad it's working!
 

opticalmace

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Oct 27, 2017
4,030
A quick update!! So I had prepared it for a return when I read my forumpost on macrumors about my experience and one of the users responed to my post regarding which reboot-code the customer service had given me: "short press Volume down, then up and then hold Power" and he was like: "If it's like the iPhone X, it is volume up, then down, and hold the power button.". Unpacked my iPad, tried it and voila, it booted!! Battery was almost drained (which was strange since it had been a brick) but seems to work! Charging now..
Glad to hear it.
 

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
Sent my Mac Mini back today.. Not sure what I'll do there... on one hand I really need something around for various apps, the price gets up there quickly. Mine had coil whine with disk activity, and I'd rather pay the small Apple tax for 16GB than tear it down (though I've torn down just about every other Mac I've had, or my family members for that matter).

On another note, picked up 2 2018 9.7" iPad's with 128GB for the kids.. $330 each at Best Buy. That'll replace a pair of ancient iPad Mini 2's.

Really torn on AppleCare+ for those. It's $69 each and a $49 replacement fee, so not looking worth it, but if I don't they'll break them for sure.. Hmm.

Need to check what the repair fee is for them without.
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,105
A quick update!! So I had prepared it for a return when I read my forumpost on macrumors about my experience and one of the users responed to my post regarding which reboot-code the customer service had given me: "short press Volume down, then up and then hold Power" and he was like: "If it's like the iPhone X, it is volume up, then down, and hold the power button.". Unpacked my iPad, tried it and voila, it booted!! Battery was almost drained (which was strange since it had been a brick) but seems to work! Charging now..
That's so weird. I wonder what the issue was?
 

Lakeside

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,221
Felt a bit like a loser, but got new batteries put in our 6 and 6 Plus. They're hanging in there.