I think when Virginia flips its state legislatures next year it's officially a blue state. I don't want to see it on any swing state lists again.
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US PoliERA 2018 |OT11| The Hunt for Blue November
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PA? I think the only think making it borderline was the awful map. Theres nothing really swing about Minnesota either yeah?
i feel like pa last time was a one-off. same with mn. wi, mi, fl - sure. i don't think az is a swing state - maybe in 2024. nc could be though.
Man, what a roller coaster of a night. Some heartbreaks, but successes as well (Kobach, Walker). And really happy we got the House. That'll be vital as we prepare for 2020 (investigations for everyone).
Hair Mouse returns! :eyes:
Being in Florida, I totally get the sting, but man, there WAS a lot of good that happened, including in Florida.
- Democrats took seven governors' mansions
- 6 state legislatures flipped.
- Dems took the House
- Dems weren't massacred with a bad Senate map, but they did lose a few seats (and picked up Nevada)
- Voting rights were restored in Florida for people who did their time
- Colorado elected its first openly gay governor
- Michigan legalizes recreational marijuana
I wish Florida could have been a part of this night, but I'm really happy that a lot of good also happened, and I imagine those of you who live in Illinois or Wisconsin or Michigan or Kansas/New Mexico/Nevada/Maine are happy with those flips.
- Democrats took seven governors' mansions
- 6 state legislatures flipped.
- Dems took the House
- Dems weren't massacred with a bad Senate map, but they did lose a few seats (and picked up Nevada)
- Voting rights were restored in Florida for people who did their time
- Colorado elected its first openly gay governor
- Michigan legalizes recreational marijuana
I wish Florida could have been a part of this night, but I'm really happy that a lot of good also happened, and I imagine those of you who live in Illinois or Wisconsin or Michigan or Kansas/New Mexico/Nevada/Maine are happy with those flips.
But they don't want to work on the problem! If you elect corporate democrats with PAC money, do you think they will take money out of politics? That's crazy thinking!
What votes?
What kind of democrats controlling all branches, and for what?
What issues are they/will they be focusing on??
Here I'm gonna enumarate a series of issues that are already solved in the rest of the industrialized world, speaking from an european perspective:
- free healthcare for all
- non-existent gun violence
- college education is practically free (specially compared to the US),
- the military industrial complex is hardly an issue
- we don't have an opioid epidemic
- the obesity problem is very minor
- we don't have millions and millions of homeless people dying on the streets
- we don't have a privatized (and overloaded) prison system+weed is not scheduled 1 drug
- etc, etc
How the hell you haven't fixed any of those issues whe you had control of the House and the Senate? And you guys think next time is the charm? You think corporate dems will ever change it?
You need to focus on the issues not on the Party Vs Party minigame they have you so invested in
Cannot believe McSalty is going to win. One of the worst candidates I've ever seen with no substance. Just an ex pilot, that can sing the anthem (badly), and lied about policy while just attacking her opponent. Oh and most importantly has an R next to her name. I'm embarrassed to live in this state.
As long as we remember Tim Pawlenty we'll never go Republican again. We didn't want him anyways. Finished below 50 both times.
Coleman only won because Wellstone died.
Trump almost won because we don't like Hillary Clinton, hence why we voted against her in the primary. Her primary tv ad to Minnesota talked about Wisconsin! She did not speak to people here and surely didn't listen but just visited a coffee shop instead. Bernie campaigned in many cities both speaking and listening. Trump probably got as close as he did because he tried by making just 1 public stop, that made a difference, while Hillary couldn't give two shits about MN.
In short. Unless our D candidate dies or our D candidate refuses to campaign in the state...we'll continue voting against Republicans by at least 10 percent.
LOL
You expected Dems to fix all that in less than 2 years when they had 60 senate seats back in 2009? I can't.
Also yeah we Europeans are such hot shit we're voting for rightwingers just as bad (if not worse) than the GOP. At least we'll have healthcare as our democracies die.
where is this?
I read somewhere recently that even idyllic places with the historic mediterranean diet are getting more and more obese now due to a lot of people giving that up for fast food :(
if there's anywhere relatively unchanged then good for them though.
What a deeply dumb post this is!
You're acting like all this stuff is easy, and was built in a day, over in Enlighted Yurope. Dems have had 8 (Eight!) years of trifecta control (that means "controlling the House, Senate, and Presidency;" I'll make sure to translate these terms, since you seem to be fairly new to American politics and it's certainly easy to get confused, as evidenced by the post you did, though that does not constitute and attack on you, fellow Resetera forum member) since 1964. That whole time, Republicans have been working to undermine what little we actually have, and they have far fewer scruples about it than your "far right" parties. We got our first shot at healthcare since Medicare in the 90s, and guess what? It blew up in our faces! Nothing got passed and the Republicans took back Congress. Then we did it again in 2008, in the middle of a titanic recession, and that got sabotaged by the courts, which were stacked with justices nominated by Republican presidents who lost the popular vote. We also lost the House over it.
The Republicans are the problem. At this point, every item on that list barring maybe obesity is directly laid at the feet of them either holding power or holding power enough to obstruct for the last 54 years. Your problem is that you're standing back and thinking to yourself "ah, well, this is how it works in Yurope, this must be how it works everywhere," but it's just not.
I think this shows that Trump is widely supported, and will be quite difficult to beat in 2020.
Texas and Florida had some absolutely incredible candidates in Beto and Gillum and we still couldn't get enough votes to win. Thats pretty damn depressing considering who they were up against.
Florida is swing now but with R in Gov and Senate, they will work hard to ensure FL keeps coming out for R.
The tide stayed red here in Florida. (and yes, we still have red tide outbreak months later... on both coasts)
Texas and Florida had some absolutely incredible candidates in Beto and Gillum and we still couldn't get enough votes to win. Thats pretty damn depressing considering who they were up against.
Florida is swing now but with R in Gov and Senate, they will work hard to ensure FL keeps coming out for R.
The tide stayed red here in Florida. (and yes, we still have red tide outbreak months later... on both coasts)
The GOP lost big in the midwest and PA, where Trump secured his win in 2016
Florida isn't the only swing state
This one stings. The worst part about last night was seeing so many truly terrible GOP candidates who ran awful campaigns win. Hard to imagine the takeaway being anything other than that doubling down on racist scare tactics works, and that you can blatanlty lie as long as you say the right things. Voters want to treat this like a football game so turning everything into a culture war referendum is a winning strategy.
I'm happy with the results so I'm not trying to be gloom and doom, but it feels like this election has highlighted how poisoned our political discourse is. Issues just don't matter anymore - how else do you explain Dems winning the polling on issues, ballot measures for liberal policies passing comfortably, but Rs winning in the statewide races?
Blows my mind that the people who bed wetted last night totally ignored the fact that republicans got washed in the Midwest. Democrat house chances shot up the minute those midwestern returns started coming in, yet I guess Florida is all that matters huh.
I keep expecting some big rebuke of Trump and his ilk, and despite expecting it in 2016 and getting burned, I got too optimistic here as well and definitely downplayed how shit the Senate map was in my mind. It seems that the big rebuke is just never coming. I thought it was coming last year with the Virginia election and the Alabama election, but I guess not.
There's a mild pushback, particularly in the midwest, but I'm being naive expecting some giant nationwide rejection. Luckily the midwest snapback might be enough to sink him in 2020.
There's a mild pushback, particularly in the midwest, but I'm being naive expecting some giant nationwide rejection. Luckily the midwest snapback might be enough to sink him in 2020.
It does show that 2020 is going to be a battle of inches (really about restoring the MI/WI/PA firewall) and not the blowout we were looking for. Naked racism still a winner down in FL/AZ/GA. Let the red tide claim the southern swamps, fuck 'em.
Back to suggesting Iowa is gone too.
Back to suggesting Iowa is gone too.
Florida reports first so that's why people bedwet!
AZ is really disappointing. Looks like she didn't squeeze enough out of Maricopa.
What do the likes of Sinema or Beto do now anyway? Gillum is still mayor, but they're out of the House. I guess Sinema could run again in 2020 for the open seat, but otherwise she might just go to the private sector.
Beto...who knows. I thought Kander would stick around but he's had his problems and has pretty much vanished from politics now.
Beto...who knows. I thought Kander would stick around but he's had his problems and has pretty much vanished from politics now.
I mean, in terms of the house and state GOV, this was a big rebuke.
Whatever, not like anyone who is supporting him will change their minds of he says something awful.
Would've been a good night if the Senate wasn't a bloodbath, dunno what to make of states like Indiana and Missouri, and I hope Dems don't pile resources into Florida and Arizona in 2020
It was an okay night, we got the House and some big moves in state legislatures, but the night wasn't the rejection of Trumpism that I expected. He campaigned to keep the Senate and won big there
Still processing everything
It was an okay night, we got the House and some big moves in state legislatures, but the night wasn't the rejection of Trumpism that I expected. He campaigned to keep the Senate and won big there
Still processing everything
I feel like its temporary and it'll snap back to the GOP in 2020.
So, just got up and looking at the results... there's something very wrong with polling in Florida two elections running now, right?
Looks like we barely got the House. The rest of the governorships we took is good but not much of a wave is it?
Looks like we barely got the House. The rest of the governorships we took is good but not much of a wave is it?
It is, but I keep expecting some giant blowout that's obviously just delusion on my part. Not as bad as those tools who expected a "red wave" but clearly I need to get a little more realistic.
He going to go on the offense and probably say the House shouldn't "harass" him by checking his power.
Still Manchin and potentially Tester to worry about.
Even fucking Bill Nelson, goddamn. Rick Scott is invincible and Florida Dems should just pack it in.
they didn't "Barely get the house", there are more than several toss ups seats and a few other surprise one that haven't been called yet due to slow counting. and there's no way in the world that a nine point advantage in the popular vote, a good amount of governor pickups and good results in state houses don't count as a wave
it's just not a tsunami
Red governor mansions are now at half not 2/3 and dems flipped 30 house seats...are you high?
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