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ShadowFlare

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I cannot imagine a better time to release the video then at BlizzCon. They could be saving it for next BlizzCon, but that still doesn't make sense why they would record it now. The only reason I can think why they wouldn't show it is that development is such a mess that the game won't come out in 5+ years.
 

Tachya

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As for what people care most about here: Diablo 4 is in development and has been for a while. It's gone through multiple forms. I think the team is avoiding talking about it because so many of the details are still in flux.

It still seems odd to announce Diablo Immortal then, another game seemingly with many important details still in flux as the only direct Diablo announcement. Perhaps they thought that announcing something related to the franchise was better than nothing? If that was their plan, they still failed on several fronts in execution of that goal, so the whole situation became worse than initially anticipated. The company's reaction or lack thereof so far has only dug the hole deeper, not that there's a winning move at this point.
 

VallenValiant

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's nothing wrong with firing people. Gamers who have no idea about the inner workings of Activision Blizzard should not be calling for people to get fired, that is toxic behavior and is taking shit to the extreme.

Edit: Just as an addition, if everyone in the world got fired for 1 screw up, no one would have a job.
There are multiple screw ups that lead to this point, not just one. And your position is untenable; it is perfectly reasonable in a corporation to perform metaphorical "human sacrifice", in order to discourage future failures. It is not extremist, people are only employed until they are not. There are people who's job is to control public relations. If they fail at that task, their job performance needed to be reviewed. If you think that is toxic then you don't understand how businesses stay operational.
 

jschreier

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It does not make sense.
I am not saying that you are lying or anything but i am trying to explain why there was not any kind of news relative to the audience, ready for the presentation. Even if D4 is in a fluid state of existence, a simple hint of it could cut the damage in half. A video such as the one you report could have nullified it.

How can some Blizzard execs be so out of touch?
Maybe they saw this as good enough: https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22549433

I can't imagine the Adham video was too much different than what's said there. It just would've had more of an impact since it was a person talking and not just a blog post.
 

cosmod

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Feb 24, 2018
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Me: Hi Grandma! It's good to see you again! How are you doing?

Grandma: Oh, I've been doing great, just keeping myself busy you know...

Me: That's great. Oh hey, I brought in your mail from your mailbox.

Grandma: Why, thank you very much young man!

Me: It looks here like you got a letter from... the Kellogg's Corporation? Why is that?

Grandma: Oh, well I wrote a letter to them because they changed the size of the pop tarts and they just don't taste as good anymore. I wanted to let them know I was disappointed.

Me: GRANDMA! Why are you being such a entitled baby! If you don't like something, you don't need to be rude! You just ignore it.

Grandma: *starts crying*
 

Smelck

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Oct 27, 2017
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Marketing mess....but this is where we are with the whole GaS / Mtx cash grab model......... core audience neglect and market saturation will lead to a messy end for some of these companies late on the train..

looking at you Fallout 76 :(
 

Tachya

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Also, the Polygon article is a fairly good explanation of the current situation, so props to them. Doesn't cover everything, but enough and in a succinct enough manner to be understood by a more general audience.
 

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There are multiple screw ups that lead to this point, not just one. And your position is untenable; it is perfectly reasonable in a corporation to perform metaphorical "human sacrifice", in order to discourage future failures. It is not extremist, people are only employed until they are not. There are people who's job is to control public relations. If they fail at that task, their job performance needed to be reviewed. If you think that is toxic then you don't understand how businesses stay operational.

It is not YOUR job to call for people to get fired though. You have no idea how or why it happened and it could easily not be the PR teams fault as they were acting under instruction. You don't think their performance would be reviewed if they completely ignored Blizzard execs? I don't think you really have an idea what you are talking about lol.
 

DSP

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kripp said on stream that his 'source' told him they wanted to announce d4 last year but they pulled it. I believe the part that the game is changing direction and its announcements is pushed back because of it.
 

Tachya

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Kripp said on stream that his 'source' told him they wanted to announce d4 last year but they pulled it. I believe the part that the game is changing direction and its announcements is pushed back because of it.

I mean the game (or whatever has been worked on) being dramatically changed/rebooted isn't really in question. Definitely evidence to support that. And that could be for any number of reasons. It's extremely concerning that they haven't been able to nail down a concept and get to the point that they're even comfortable teasing something though, 4+ years of development in. That's just terrible management. I'm sure they're concerned about outdoing themselves and their competition, particularly after how Diablo 3 went. Icing development on Diablo 3 as early as they did was probably a mistake in hindsight.

This seems similar to the Half-Life 3 situation where it's not going to happen (at least not anytime in the foreseeable future) because they know it couldn't live up to expectations (or be as groundbreaking/acclaimed/etc. as they want it to be), so they feel it's better to do or show nothing at all. Though I'd argue that's a flawed line of reasoning/misplaced fear.
 

data

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While I hope Blizzard learns from this, the most likely scenario is that they'll ignore it or they don't even care and let it die silently. Bottom line, they're going to work on a mobile Diablo to rake in some cash

They already made out like bandits with the Blizzcon tickets, I doubt they'll have meetings or discuss any of this
 

Sei

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Oct 28, 2017
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If they had it, why not put it out, during their biggest event of the year...

Nothing makes sense.
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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So Blizz announces D4 by announcing that they had no plan to announce D4 at Blizzcon.

4D chess ladies and gentlemen
 
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PancakeFlip

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Anux.gif

I love this gif because it captures this feeling of incompetence and not giving a damn about the mess it caused at the same time.
 

data

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I feel like if their dispute is true, and I kinda don't want to believe it is because there's zero chance they could be this delusional or dumb, it actually makes the story a thousand times better.

If it is true, it just shows how out of touch they truly are.

If it's false, they're not really denying D4 so there's at least that
 

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Me: Hi Grandma! It's good to see you again! How are you doing?

Grandma: Oh, I've been doing great, just keeping myself busy you know...

Me: That's great. Oh hey, I brought in your mail from your mailbox.

Grandma: Why, thank you very much young man!

Me: It looks here like you got a letter from... the Kellogg's Corporation? Why is that?

Grandma: Oh, well I wrote a letter to them because they changed the size of the pop tarts and they just don't taste as good anymore. I also made sure to tell Kellogg's that they were fucking idiots and had questioned whether or not it was a fucking April Fools joke. Also, even though they announced beforehand that they were changing the size of the poptarts, I still wanted to throw a gigantic hissy fit about it. You know what, I think its a goddamn conspiracy the mainstream media aren't reporting about this change in PopTarts size! This columnist is advising people not to send in threatening letters and hysterical accusations to Kelloggs, so they must be a corporate shill being bought off by Big Pastry to stop me from complaining in this completely rational, not at all overblown manner!

Me: GRANDMA! Why are you being such a entitled baby! If you don't like something, you don't need to be rude! You just ignore it.

Grandma: FUCK YOU, CORPORATE APOLOGIST. God, now I can't even complain in this very low-key, well reasoned way anymore? SMH STOP TRYING TO CENSOR MY FORM OF COMPLAINTS. If I want to act like Kellogg's ruined my life, pillaged my village and pissed on my family's grave because of this minor change for something I knew was coming, then so be it. I will act this way, even though I know they'll change it back to its original size in about a year or two.

FTFY.
 

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Me: Hi Grandma! It's good to see you again! How are you doing?

Grandma: Oh, I've been doing great, just keeping myself busy you know...

Me: That's great. Oh hey, I brought in your mail from your mailbox.

Grandma: Why, thank you very much young man!

Me: It looks here like you got a letter from... the Kellogg's Corporation? Why is that?

Grandma: Oh, well I wrote a letter to them because they changed the size of the pop tarts and they just don't taste as good anymore. I wanted to let them know I was disappointed.

Me: GRANDMA! Why are you being such a entitled baby! If you don't like something, you don't need to be rude! You just ignore it.

Grandma: *starts crying*
cringe
 

Chaos2Frozen

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What is it about Diablo that keeps going into Development Hell? Even D3 had a big development Hell that dragged on.

I know game making is hard but it's crazy how they keep screwing it up with this decade old franchise.
 

Mio

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Oct 16, 2018
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My fear is that they can't announce Diablo 4 because they don't intend to release it anytime soon (or ever)
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They changed their plans to monetize this smartphone game hard and they probably feel that announcing a PC version of the same brand will hurt the D:I sales.

Similar to the Elder Scrolls Online situation that stopped any talk of a Elder Scrolls VI game until recently.



It could also be that the direction they want to bring the series is completely different to what we expect about it, so that Diablo next is not marketable as Diablo 4 but Diablo Online, World of Diablo, Candy Crush Diablo etc...
 

kurahador

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Oct 28, 2017
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What is it about Diablo that keeps going into Development Hell? Even D3 had a big development Hell that dragged on.

I know game making is hard but it's crazy how they keep screwing it up with this decade old franchise.
Yeah...I wonder if D3 development hell was due to the real money trading system.
They might be trying to create a new monetization system for D4.
 

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It's been addressed multiple times across the threads, but let's address each point.
My fear is that they can't announce Diablo 4 because they don't intend to release it anytime soon (or ever)
That is in fact the reason. Schreier's article outright says D4 has been rebooted twice, so Blizz likely didn't feel comfortable teasing a game that wouldn't be out for 3+ years.
They changed their plans to monetize this smartphone game hard and they probably feel that announcing a PC version of the same brand will hurt the D:I sales.
1) D:I is free-to-play and 2) it's probably because D:I is still in development that they haven't announced any ports. That, and Blizzard has mentioned they're working on several different Diablo projects, all of which are likely coming to PC first.
Similar to the Elder Scrolls Online situation that stopped any talk of a Elder Scrolls VI game until recently.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Howard had said even post-Skyrim that his ideas of ES6 wouldn't be achievable for a significant period.
It could also be that the direction they want to bring the series is completely different to what we expect about it, so that Diablo next is not marketable as Diablo 4 but Diablo Online, World of Diablo, Candy Crush Diablo etc...
Again, we have no idea what Blizzard is doing with Diablo, but considering how the entire company is centered around the idea of gamers and their fans, you'll get another Diablo game in either the same vein as D3 or something adjacent to it.
 

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It seems like the basis of your rebuttal to my silly satire is to alter the narrative to fit your world view. If you believe your edit accurately portrays the tenor of this situation then maybe we're reading different threads.
My god, man. Your entire fable is, at best, misleading.

Your story hinges on several incorrect things:
1) Blizzard heavily implied to folks not to expect Diablo 4 this year, with their press release. So, from the get go, your story is missing a key detail since this would be like Kellogg's putting out an ad saying "hey, we're making the Pop-Tarts smaller."

2) The difference between Grandma and the gaming community is that Grandma expressed her irritation with a formal letter. Grandma wasn't out on the internet, calling designers idiots and assholes and other very creative ways of making people who likely had nothing to do with the decision feel like trash. That isn't even mentioning the level of vitriol and anger towards designers. This isn't just polite well-constructed arguments, it's just sheer hate and antagonism and honestly boggling amounts of anger over this. The way people are reacting to this is completely disproportionate to what was actually announced....

3) People act like this means they aren't getting Diablo 4. News flash, assholes (not you, just these folks), you still are. We know Blizzard are developing D4 and we know that this shit takes time. The Kotaku article mentions how the game has been rebooted twice already and I'm going to spitball the following are the reasons: they want to make sure this game is special. They want to make something that makes Diablo fans happy. They're trying to make the same douchebags hounding and insulting them happy because if they don't, it'll be more of the same for the foreseeable future. Something that brings meaningful innovation to the series while also not being a clone of D2. They want to make something good, and that shit takes time. So what if D4 didn't get announced here? It'll be announced at E3 or Gamescom or even next BlizzCon when its in better shape. When Blizzard has something to show without making gamers wait, they'll show it. They aren't changing the shape of the pop-tart or its flavor, because they haven't even fucking announced what it is. This is more like if Kellogg was running out of Smores filling and so they made more Double Chocolate Pop-Tarts to keep people full till they could more Smores Pop-Tarts.

And frankly, even if they had shown a D4 teaser, it'd have pissed off vocal assholes regardless. "Oh wow, Blizz, what an announcement only marginally better than the E3 Star Wars revel you beta cucks." "DAE when Blizzard made games on time????" And when it wouldn't have been shown for a year or two since Blizz didn't solidify their vision for the game, you'd have gotten douches on this site complaining that the game is vaporware or that Blizzard is trash for announcing games to early. No matter what they did, douchebags would have complained and the same vocal idiots calling the press corporate shills or Blizzard's devs morons would be doing the same. But that's neither here nor there.

So, let's recap:
  • Blizzard told you all not to expect a D4 announcement this year since they hadn't firmed up what it would be.
  • Blizzard announced a mobile game that was meant to be a stop-gap release till they had more details about D4, which was admittedly a bad move.
  • The entire gaming community reacted as if Blizzard announced that Diablo is dead and that D4 was cancelled and that all copies of Diablos 1 through 3 would be burned, when that has been disproved in every way possible.
  • Instead of expressing dismay like sane people, the internet did what it does best and threw a fucking tantrum, filled with hate-filled comments, personal attacks and likely doxxing.
  • People who are calling out this really hyperbolic reaction are being called corporate shills, apologists, and worse, all because we think you all are acting a little bit crazy over the lack of an announcement for a game that clearly isn't ready to show and will likely be announced in a year or so.
Now, what does reality look like to you?
 

CritiestBunny

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Oh man, remember when good ole' Beth teased everyone with a little peak into their Fallout Shelter and then was like.. KAPOW Fallout 4! Build settlements! Try to ignore Preston Garvey!

And then EA was all... Gears of War Funko Pop Tactics?! Fuck yea - AND BOOOOM WALL CRASH here's another Gears of War! More pew pew and bzz bzzz time, remember you're not a man unless your shoulders are wider than a semi truck! Vroom vroom!

And then EA was also all like.. look everyone! We got a mini zombie for you: Command & Conquer MOOOBIIIIIILE! You get a commander, you get a commander, everyone gets a commander (must unlock through cards and card packs, daily play limit, progression, and competitive effectiveness tied to small microtransactions). BOOOOM!
- Wait, why aren't you guys excited about this? Yo, stop that downvote shit. Oi! Ahh, fuck it, ignore them, we'll still make millions from the 300 whales that will play it.

Blizzard. I think we can find a happy medium between that.

PSYCH! D4 Blizzcon 2019!

But in all seriousness... for all the hate. I instabought Warcraft 3 Reforged.
 

MrBob

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've been watching financial news today and it's kind of crazy how far reaching this Diablo Immortal blunder has gone. You have financial stock analysts commenting on youtube dislikes for Diablo Immortal trailer and how Blizzard is out of touch with its gaming community. It was kind of funny seeing people outside of the gaming community discuss the events of Blizzcon. Though it goes to show how these things can directly affect Activision's stock price because that was their focus.
 

Moebius

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Oct 28, 2017
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The fact that there have been two major iterations show they still have no idea how to make a Diablo game. They need to stick with what worked in Diablo 2 and keep all of the RPG elements, building stats, building up specific spells, being able to cast as many spells as you want as long as you have mana and making equipment fun to find again. All of the Diablo 3 loot is just pointless. It's all the same. The numbers just go up. You had actual builds in D2 and armor/weapon synergies. Please bring that back.

PS A wizard should never use a club. NEVER!
 

//ARCANUM

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Oct 25, 2017
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I said it before on this forum and I'll say it again: if blizzard had just showed a DIABLO 4 logo at BlizzCon (like Bethesda with Elder Scrolls VI), this narrative never would have happened. That's all they had to do. Just show a logo and say WE MAKIN IT BOI. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Zambayoshi

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Nov 2, 2017
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Sounds like an intentional leak to me. I think Schreier got used as a stalking horse. If the idea was a round-about way to confirm that Blizzard is working on 'multiple unannounce Diablo projects' then mission accomplished. Not sure it was the best way to do it though.
 

Nacho

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Sounds like an intentional leak to me. I think Schreier got used as a stalking horse. If the idea was a round-about way to confirm that Blizzard is working on 'multiple unannounce Diablo projects' then mission accomplished. Not sure it was the best way to do it though.
they literally said this before blizzcon. what are they leaking?
 

Tachya

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Oct 25, 2017
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they had to pivot to a battle royal model

I mean that wouldn't be the worst thing at this point to be honest. Diablo theme could actually work quite well.

I'm still kinda salty they never put proper PvP in D3 after having playable arenas at Blizzcon for a year or two. Granted apparently it was kind of a mess and likely would've faced many of the issues WoW PvP does, so maybe it's for the best.
 

Corsick

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Diablo 4 being rebooted twice already is very concerning. They're already mimicking three's mistakes during development. I'm not sure if it's worth getting interested in at all even if it weren't three or more years off, which seems likely.