https://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six..._source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw
Well Ubisoft stayed silent after Reddit so i guess this was the next step.
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[PCGamer] Rainbow Six Siege review bombed amid China censorship backlash
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Well Ubisoft stayed silent after Reddit so i guess this was the next step.
Are the changes shown in the article the extent of the global changes? Doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would even be commented on by the developer in the first place it's so insignificant.
What really pisses me off is that people even here defend review bombing as a legit mean to give criticism. It just fucks up any possible usefulness of user reviews. It's always done as a knee-jerk reaction, sometimes to hate women even. The game is hardly ruined by these changes, it's still the same game.
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That quote in the OP made me realize China is a Communist Facist Dictatorship and its just related to this. Everything to the 1 Child policy, the social rating stuff, limiting gaming time by the government, restricting social media and the obvious Communist party stuff as just the ones off the top of my head.
I don't think the rest of us should have a lesser product because of China, just release a separate version in that region. Everyone wins.
I don't think the rest of us should have a lesser product because of China, just release a separate version in that region. Everyone wins.
Yeah it is pretty juvenile, but people on the internet do tend to be silly like that
There isn't really anything more productive they can do, as they paid to gain access to the game, but Ubisoft own it, and they can do whatever they want to it
Well sure, they can stop playing the game
I disagree. I'm not certain the outrage is justified, nor do I feel that review bombing is the most mature way of dealing with it. Still, they don't have to just take it. What kind of attitude is that? You affect change with criticism so that you get a proper product.
i mean you can complain and review bomb, which in fairness (sometimes) works
There is a separate version, it's just minor stuff that changed for practical reason
Absolutely nobody would have noticed if they didn't announced it
So much for being transparent..
no they don't. nobody has to take anything especially from companies.
Sure, but if the game is being altered to gain access to a more lucrative market, the chances are you're going to struggle to convince a company to do a U turn on that. It's cool if people want to try though
Yeah you can, and that might work, but like I said to the first comment in this post, it's going to be tough to convince a company to leave money on the table
Kinda dumb to make these changes globally rather than just in regions where it's required.
In some instances I don't like review bombing, but here I think it's a reasonable way of the audience vocalising their feelings.
I hope Ubisoft respond in a manner that satisfies their playerbase.
Reasonable back and forth between players and the industry is healthy.
(This is still not censorship though)
In some instances I don't like review bombing, but here I think it's a reasonable way of the audience vocalising their feelings.
I hope Ubisoft respond in a manner that satisfies their playerbase.
Reasonable back and forth between players and the industry is healthy.
(This is still not censorship though)
I don't see how retroactive changes made to a game in order to appeal a foreign, facist country is an expected part of GaaS.
Every other developer manages to have different builds for China just fine.
Between the initial 60$ game and the three 30$ season passes, people have every right to complain about changes of unappealing nature.
Saying "You can stop playing" is just an easy cop-out to defend multimillion dollar companies from the consequence of their own business model.
Lol what? Pressure has worked and specifically it has worked in the past with this game.
For anyone that didn't read the article: There is a region-locked build with things like less gore, but there are also small aesthetic changes to UI and maps in all versions of the game. Part of the problem is that this isn't clear so there are a lot of knee-jerk responses from people thinking all versions of the game are now going to be censored.
If you want to keep playing a companies game and you make them decide between a vocal minority and million and millions of MXT money, they will probably pick the MXT money
If enough people dropped the game or kicked up a fuss they might try and do as LewieP says and make several builds for different regions, which is the best possible outcome
You can use this logic to shutdown any criticism, including of lootboxes.
I think this was dumb on Ubi's part, especially since they're gonna have two ongoing builds anyway.
Lol at people using the fascism! as an argument. Almost all games released in the west are essentially designed around US sensibilities, which for many people around the world is a worse country than China. Just ask around the middle east. When was the last time a chinese game had you indiscriminately killing brown people?
I usually roll my eyes at review bombing, but I can sympathize with this, honestly. Ubisoft bending over to chinese laws is one thing, make a seperate client then ,whatever. But when it's affecting everyone else... it's a pretty shitty thing to do. The game is incredibly successful, if other games can make seperate clients then I'm sure Siege can afford it too.
Poor tiny Ubisoft and the Rainbow Six Siege team simply can't afford to keep supporting two versions of the game... lol.
Yeah, it's nuts, and I think that Ubisoft will end up backpedaling on this. The game rose from the ashes because of the positive word of mouth from players. They'd be crazy to let it return to the ashes over supporting two slightly-different versions side-by-side.
FWIW, I wouldn't call China fascist. They are an authoritarian oligarchy.
Why should the game change for everyone because one country is assbackwards? Couldn't they isolate the changes to the idiot countries?
fyi removing blood from the game is far more than an aesthetic change. It's used ad a replacement for the COD-style hit marker. If completely removed the game may have no indicator to tell you that your shots have landed
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Negative aspects of GaaS can be anything, even servers shutting down, it's not limited the one extremely specific example you have used. There are pros and cons to the model, just like every other model, and yes, having a game you enjoy suddenly change is a negative, no matter how you try and spin it
Hopefully the kickback/backlash does indeed get them to reverse the changes and go with different builds for different regions, however if you think you can get any huge publisher to stop expanding into foreign, fascist countries with your internet fury then by all means RISE UP
If only all those people would use all that energy to go vote tomorrow instead....
Well, this thread is like a microcosm of the uninformed outrage this article is trying to explain because nobody read the article lmao
Review bombing is one of the absolute dumbest ways the gaming community chooses to weaponize their rage. It has absolutely zero productive effects, and negatively impacts both developers and the audience.
This is what CS:GO does. China has it's own version of the game.
Sure, or they can try to make their voices heard using social media (ie. Reddit, community forums, etc)
I don't want to play a game where the creators cater to dictators. So yes, this game deserves it's low score because the game is officially bad as long as Ubisoft does this.
Indeed, there are pros and cons to the model.
The same is true for the publisher who has to live with the fact that people feel entitled to your videogame being a certain way once you asked them to spent $150+ into it.
If publishers want GaaS then they have to take the good with the bad.
Them expanding their market is not what anyone has an issue with.
In my defense, authorianism and facism is kinda the same to me, but you're probably right.
I mean that doesn't really make it right though? Why censor something that was already there and respectively doesn't need to be. With the expanded revenue surely they can afford to hire a few employees for localization type work that would include context sensitive censorship.
I don't believe the situation is getting into the Chinese market with this global change or not getting into the market at all. There are other ways to make the changes that may upset fewer people.
I learned this weekend that companies can do whatever they want and fans can do whatever they want so this is what's happening, I guess.
I know, but you raised it as a point, and that was my counter
I actually agree with you, I was too hasty with my first comment
You know what's really stupid?
Their excuse for why they haven't got two builds yet because; "By maintaining a single build, we are able to reduce the duplication of work on the development side. This will allow us to be more agile as a development team, and address issues more quickly."
Anyone sentient knows that the reality is the work is already done, most of it in 2015 and they have to do more work to remove and change assets.
Why not do nothing at all for the rest of the world and leave the game as it is?
You are already duplicating your work, so why the bullshit.
Their excuse for why they haven't got two builds yet because; "By maintaining a single build, we are able to reduce the duplication of work on the development side. This will allow us to be more agile as a development team, and address issues more quickly."
Anyone sentient knows that the reality is the work is already done, most of it in 2015 and they have to do more work to remove and change assets.
Why not do nothing at all for the rest of the world and leave the game as it is?
You are already duplicating your work, so why the bullshit.
Doesn't make it right. But I don't know if it's necessarily wrong. I don't like it. That's all I know for sure.
Going forward devs will come up with new game ideas, make them China friendly then everyone will get the China version.
