While the overall finale is going to be the same, beating enemies instead of sparing/pacifying them changes the final part of the confrontation against the King
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Right, but I think playing how you want and getting the ending "you deserve" is important, especially since it doesn't drastically change anything in this game (yet?).
Went back to play Undertale after finishing this. The thing that struck me the most is how much better this looks and plays.
Even something as simple as the introduction of TP meter made the fights way more enjoyable, as its a mechanic that encourages the player to get better at the bullet hell aspect of the game.
As for thoughts on the development of Deltarune: one thing I hadn't realized was how much of UT was a collaborative effort. A ton of the art was done by other people, and yet the game still feels like a very singular vision. I think Fox is underselling his own abilities when it comes to managing a project.
Oh, and Ralsei is totally going to turn heel. I think it's telling that he tells you the legend, and that he basically inserts himself into the story by saying they need a "Prince of the Darkners" instead of just a Darkner.
Even something as simple as the introduction of TP meter made the fights way more enjoyable, as its a mechanic that encourages the player to get better at the bullet hell aspect of the game.
As for thoughts on the development of Deltarune: one thing I hadn't realized was how much of UT was a collaborative effort. A ton of the art was done by other people, and yet the game still feels like a very singular vision. I think Fox is underselling his own abilities when it comes to managing a project.
Oh, and Ralsei is totally going to turn heel. I think it's telling that he tells you the legend, and that he basically inserts himself into the story by saying they need a "Prince of the Darkners" instead of just a Darkner.
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I think this line from UT could be foreshadowing.
In UT Asriel says this after you spare him:
Frisk, thank you for listening to me.
You should really go be with your friends now, OK?
Oh, and, please...
In the future, if you uh, see me...
Don't think of it as me, OK?
I just want you to remember me like this.
Someone that was your friend for a little while.
He probably just meant as Flowey.
Frisk, thank you for listening to me.
You should really go be with your friends now, OK?
Oh, and, please...
In the future, if you uh, see me...
Don't think of it as me, OK?
I just want you to remember me like this.
Someone that was your friend for a little while.
He probably just meant as Flowey.
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Probably meant as Flowey, yeah.
Toby told us not to relate to UT too much if not at all, but holy shit is he making a good job so that we do NOT listen to him.
Toby told us not to relate to UT too much if not at all, but holy shit is he making a good job so that we do NOT listen to him.
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I thought of this too, isn't it suspicious that Ralsei's "kingdom" had no subjects and the datamined Manual literally shows him self inserting into the legend?
However it could go either way because...
If you spare everyone, Lancer is the prince who saves the day, if you hurt everyone Ralsei is the "prince" who saves the day.
God, why do almost all songs relate to 'Don't Forget'.
It's insane, almost all songs in the freaking game have those 9 last notes somewhere.
Try finishing this damn game and not have those 9 notes in your head after that.
Toby is one hell of a composer, not only does he write beautiful songs but he manage to inter-connect everything in a pretty clever way.
Similar to how Chaos King has the Card Castle and Lancer's theme in there.
It's insane, almost all songs in the freaking game have those 9 last notes somewhere.
Try finishing this damn game and not have those 9 notes in your head after that.
Toby is one hell of a composer, not only does he write beautiful songs but he manage to inter-connect everything in a pretty clever way.
Similar to how Chaos King has the Card Castle and Lancer's theme in there.
Motifs are common in games, let's not forget the original UT did the same, but i mean, go back to Super Mario World, 90% of the soundtrack was the same song with slight variations.
I like how a lot of songs have "Don't Forget, Im with you in the dark" in them but
"The world Revolving" only has "Im with you in the dark"
Ralsei is not to be trusted.
He's selfish. The entire game happens because he wont turn off his dark geyser (which he thanks for his physical form in his manual) and I'm certain that door was there to protect the rest of the world from him, not the other way around.
He's selfish. The entire game happens because he wont turn off his dark geyser (which he thanks for his physical form in his manual) and I'm certain that door was there to protect the rest of the world from him, not the other way around.
He implies his fountain is the original one (which could be a lie i guess) but i think the actions of the King lends credibility to Ralsei's side of the story, all enemies in the game make emphasis on the fact that they don't want to fight, but they're being forced to by the King, so even if Ralsei was secretly evil, we don't have a reason to believe shutting down the second fountain and overthrowing Lancer's dad is a bad thing.
After seeing the manual I'm wondering whether
shutting down the fountain will actually wipe out King Boss, Lancer, and the entire kingdom. Ralsei's mention of an "unending pillar of darkness that gives him form" sounds a lot like the fountains. So what happens when a fountain that "gives form" to the Dark World's inhabitants is turned off?
I'm imagining something akin to the Wind Fish waking up in Link's Awakening.
I'm imagining something akin to the Wind Fish waking up in Link's Awakening.
I interpreted that as:
"as long as there is one fountain The Dark exists", the second fountain just meant the balance was skewed towards the Dark making the world of the Darkness more powerful than the world of the Lightners, which would cause the destruction of both worlds.
The game implies Lancer and his dad already existed before the second fountain appeared so it's unlikely that they'd disappear after shutting it down.
The game implies Lancer and his dad already existed before the second fountain appeared so it's unlikely that they'd disappear after shutting it down.
Unless
Ralsei's fountain is the new one, and he didn't exist before it appeared.
Like i said earlier it's possible Ralsei might be lying to some degree, but...
Didn't King Boss specifically said his Fountain was made by the Knight?
Oh yeah the king is clearly a villain. I think Ralsei is using that to his advantage. Something about him rubs me incredibly the wrong way.
How dare you doubt Ralsei!
How would such a kind and cute fluffy boy ever, ever, turn bad?
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I know everyone is discussing theories at this point, but just in terms of gameplay/concepts.
Was anyone else disappointed by how much the "incompetent badguy" trope was used, especially considering how often it showed up in the first game? I kind of expected it, but I liked the new battle system, and I usually enjoy puzzles. It started to annoy me a little every time Lancer showed up with a non-fight or literally nothing, even if it was for the sake of his characterization. Even more so with that Kaard guy, since I was eager for the game to have more puzzles than just the card symbols.
Honestly,
i hope these are more symptoms of it being chapter 1 of a much longer Game. We probably haven't even seen the main antagonist of the game yet. The way we leave lancer, he's no longer a villain and more of an ally than anything so building his characterization that way by making you relate him more to wacky antics than any actual villainry is definitely intentional. I hope for some solid puzzles as well, but it wasn't exactly Undertales strength either.
Yo - just a random thought for you fine folks here since you're probably aching (like me) to play more Undertale and the wait for it is excruciating:
If you've never played To The Moon or its sequel, do it!
The best parts of Undertale and Deltarune for me are the mysterious themes, the open-ended speculation, the incredible music, and an amazingly moving story. To The Moon and its sequel has all of them. I don't think any game has ever affected me as much as the story in To The Moon.
The singer at the end of Deltarune also previously composed and sung some songs in To The Moon and its sequel.
It doesn't have any alternate endings or a "battle system" or anything - it's just a point and click adventure game - but it'll probably help you fill the gap as you wait for more Undertale goodness to come out.
It's available on PC, iOS, and Android, and all of the versions are great so you can't go wrong any way you choose to play it.
If you've never played To The Moon or its sequel, do it!
The best parts of Undertale and Deltarune for me are the mysterious themes, the open-ended speculation, the incredible music, and an amazingly moving story. To The Moon and its sequel has all of them. I don't think any game has ever affected me as much as the story in To The Moon.
The singer at the end of Deltarune also previously composed and sung some songs in To The Moon and its sequel.
It doesn't have any alternate endings or a "battle system" or anything - it's just a point and click adventure game - but it'll probably help you fill the gap as you wait for more Undertale goodness to come out.
It's available on PC, iOS, and Android, and all of the versions are great so you can't go wrong any way you choose to play it.
Also another recommendation, play the game from Laura Shigihara ( the end credits singer), Rakuen. Just be prepared to cry a lot, I completely bawled at the ending when To The Moon didn't make drop a tear.
I hope that it is it's own thing to tie into the next game, instead of being a demo of the next game.
I keep hearing this but have never played it. Will fix that ASAP!
hello friendsies where is the best SFW place to find deltarune fanarts
specifically i am on the search for cute lancer fanart since it doesn't seem that he is nearly as popular as rals or suzie
specifically i am on the search for cute lancer fanart since it doesn't seem that he is nearly as popular as rals or suzie
This. Ralsei is nothing but a shady Nico. Please go play Oneshot and be nice to Niko.
I really hope we see more of Rouxls Kaard. Unnecessarily elaborate faux-archaic dialogue is an old gag but it never fails(st) to crack(eth) me up.
DA is the place least likely to show you NSFW, you might see a fetish pic or two, but not hard core explicit sexual content.
Tumblr has tons of Lancer fanart but remember, Tumblr is also full of porn.
Do you realize how much Ralsei turning evil would hurt me? Emotionally?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/deltarune-has-developed-quite-the-fanart-following-spoilers.78774/
/shamelessplug
You can check this thread for SFW fanart, and share some if you feel like:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/deltarune-has-developed-quite-the-fanart-following-spoilers.78774/
/shamelessplug
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I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but....
The game is ready to demolish us emotionally in so many ways:
-Ralsei turning out to be evil
-Lancer dying for some reason or other
-Kris going full Chara
-oh god, i don't want to even think of all the ways the game has set up to hurt Noelle
What if Susie isn't into girls? What if her dad dies? what if her mom turns out to be a huge bitch?
Finally got around to fighting Jevil. Not nearly as tough as Sans since it took me 5 tries for Jevil, while it took me approximately 50-60 against Sans the second time around. Kinda found the fight more annoying, though. Many moves I couldn't even understand how to avoid, while at least with Sans I could see it and it was about the execution.
What're the odds of Asriel coming back from college in the final chapter to serve as the final party member?
He better show up in the game at some point. I want to see him happy
The only theory i have read that link them is that since it was mentioned that Lightners created Darkners and Darkners are meant to make Lightners happy, it's possible that Kris imagined Ralsei as sort of persona for himself that would be "just like the rest of his family", people pointing out that Toriel mentions Kris at one point owning a set of fake horns the same colors as Ralsei's.
Edit: i accidentally wrote this using he/him pronouns, but i guess if this theory is true, Ralsei being a boy, would make Kris also a boy.
Edit: i accidentally wrote this using he/him pronouns, but i guess if this theory is true, Ralsei being a boy, would make Kris also a boy.
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Oh right, I do remember Toriel mentioning the horns. Thanks!
Not to mention Kris shares a room with his brother Asriel who is a boy.
And we know
Good church mom Toriel wouldn't let different gendered siblings share a room. Oh and because Kris is in adolescents/puberty we don't have characters react to any changes to Kris that would allude to Kris being female. So I think it's very safe to say Kris is strictly male. However, the room is up there to whether Frisk was female or male.
Wasn't there an interview with Toby where they asked him about Frisk's ambiguous gender, and his response was just "skip". I do get the impression that Kris is meant to be a teenage boy though, I didn't get that impression from Frisk.
What do we know about the connections between Frisk and Chara because I feel like that's a big blind spot for me atm.
You're applying traditional christian values to a made up religion by monsters who as a culture don't seem to care about sexual orientation (or gender roles for that matter) at all.
There's no real point to insisting on using gender neutral pronouns for both protagonist if there really was a canon gender for them.
There's no real point to insisting on using gender neutral pronouns for both protagonist if there really was a canon gender for them.
I feel like people , at least in my mind, are over estimating the important of the characters in that first part. I don't think, outside of the characters in the real world, you are going to see them again, I think they will manifest in different ways on the map as you enter different versions of the dark world, but outside of fluff prince, I think they are just one offs.
You say made up, but the place of worship is a church (it's actually called that in conversation), the character in front of the church says the word angel, and they place gravestones in a graveyard full of their buried dead.