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Stalker

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Oct 25, 2017
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A few things for the discussion

I personally enjoyed the episode, My only gripe was that they wasted Doc Brown. The Pting was neat and it's a good monster of the week episode. Better that Hotel Costa Del Spiders about the same as the rest. I felt Rosa was entirely unremarkable outside of some mature discussions about race they skirted around.

As for Torchwood it's a real mixed bag as others have said S1 is a bit messy, S2 finds it's footing, S3 is strong and S4 which is only 10 episodes unlike what some have mentioned is regarded as weak by many but personally I feel it has some highs that the other series don't. It's probably got the strongest supporting cast and arguably the darkest story and some wonkyness aside it does a good enough job.

This season so far is personally the strongest opening to a Doctor Who series i can remember since it's return. No real stinkers to complain about much like the first 5 episodes of S4.
 

PaulloDEC

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Oct 25, 2017
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So can I just put this out there: the "Next time" trailers absolutely suck this year. They just suck. They're dull as hell, they show nothing of interest. They're absolutely rubbish.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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there was no jeopardy - monster eating the ship, flying through asteroids - but they're all just standing there in a bright white room. It could have been eating system after system to provide a bit of a countdown/increasing risk; could have rendered sections of the ship unusable forcing them into one location etc. Just....nothing.
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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there was no jeopardy - monster eating the ship, flying through asteroids - but they're all just standing there in a bright white room. It could have been eating system after system to provide a bit of a countdown/increasing risk; could have rendered sections of the ship unusable forcing them into one location etc. Just....nothing.
Yep, that was my issue. We kept being told how dire the situation was but we didn't see that at all. Just tech babble and unearned emotional moments.


I kinda have an issue with the pregnant man as well, surely it was his choice if he was prepared to have the baby or not, the moral of the story was basically that it's better for him to try and be a dad than to give the baby up for adoption. Which kinda works for Ryan's story but is a shitty message to try and beat people over the head with. Not everyone is prepared to be a parent.

There is a huge difference between Ryan's dad leaving him when he was a teenager and this guy giving his newborn up for adoption but the episode tried to make it seem like that was equally bad.

It really didn't sit right with me, it wasn't a good message at all
 

mclem

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kerblam!

"Delivery for the Doctor!" A mysterious message arrives in a package addressed to the Doctor, leading her, Graham, Yaz and Ryan to investigate the warehouse moon orbiting Kandoka, and the home of the galaxy's largest retailer: Kerblam!

The Witchfinders
The Doctor, Ryan, Graham and Yaz arrive in 17th century Lancashire and become embroiled in a witch trial, run by the local landowner. As fear stalks the land, the arrival of King James I only serves to intensify the witch hunt... But is there something even more dangerous at work? Can the Doctor and friends keep the people of Bilehurst Cragg safe from all the forces that are massing in the land?

I assume that's Alan Cummings' episode, given his getup in the trailer after The Woman Who Fell To Earth
 

PaulloDEC

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They're pretty representative, then :p

Maybe because the episodes are dull

I'm by no means in love with this season, but I think if anything they're underselling the stories. Really!

Go back and rewatch some of the "Next time"s from 2005; those trailers are selling the stories with every ounce of strength they can muster. They're showing off the VFX, ramping up the danger, dropping in big emotional moments. Even now they make me want to re-watch those stories.

This year's trailers are barely there. They show nothing. They say nothing. It feels like someone on the production team is unhealthily afraid of releasing spoilers. This week's story had some fantastic spaceship/space station shots, not to mention a great CGI creature and that brilliant opening in the junkyard. In 2005 they'd have shown those shots off.
 

Pizza Dog

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,477
Apologies if this has been discussed, but was it revealed what it was that Astos was concerned about and then lied over? He says "that doesn't make sense, why have they done that?" just after looking at The Doctor's scans. She questions him about it and he doesn't tell her, and then it's dropped after that. She goes and looks at the nav system after that but it seems to be unconnected with the scans he'd been doing. Planting a hint towards something for later?

Edit: I just rewatched and he does say it was the change of flight path that confused him, but it's weird that would be displayed in the patients' room for him to notice without looking for it.

Also:

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Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Very odd announcement today -- The Wheel in Space is being animated...sort of:

Alongside this we are thrilled to announce the premiere of a brand new 10 minute animated Doctor Who mini-episode based on the now lost first part of the 1968 Doctor Who story, 'The Wheel in Space', starring Patrick Troughton as the Doctor and Frazer Hines as Jamie. This newly announced mini-episode, produced by Charles Norton and directed by Anne Marie Walsh who will introduce the BFI Southbank screening, will be included on a future BBC DVD release next year.

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.or...ed-wiped-25th-birthday-bonanza-2018-11-05.pdf

So they're animating the first (lost) episode of The Wheel in Space... but it's being condensed down to 10 minutes instead of the full 25. The last sentence also sounds like this will be more of a curio tossed onto a DVD set as an extra, rather than the beginning of a full animated Wheel serial.

Not really sure what to make of this. It's better than nothing I guess, but at the same time, why bother with something so minor in the first place?

I'm by no means in love with this season, but I think if anything they're underselling the stories. Really!

Go back and rewatch some of the "Next time"s from 2005; those trailers are selling the stories with every ounce of strength they can muster. They're showing off the VFX, ramping up the danger, dropping in big emotional moments. Even now they make me want to re-watch those stories.

This year's trailers are barely there. They show nothing. They say nothing. It feels like someone on the production team is unhealthily afraid of releasing spoilers. This week's story had some fantastic spaceship/space station shots, not to mention a great CGI creature and that brilliant opening in the junkyard. In 2005 they'd have shown those shots off.
The trailer at the end of The Woman Who Fell to Earth was the oddest one... nothing to tease the season itself beyond a bizarrely long sizzle reel of guest stars. And maybe I'm just very American, but outside of Alan Cumming, I had no idea who any of those people even were!
 

mclem

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Oct 25, 2017
13,460
Today in ludicrously overdue news- Big Finish have announced a Paternoster Gang spin-off. https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/the-paternoster-gang-return

Given the death of Trevor Baxter and the crossover with Strax a while back, I wonder if this is a future home for Henry Gordon Jago too.

Edit: I'm amused at the quote they got from Dan Starkey:

"Remain calm, human scum! Strax need no longer sulk and polish his grenades! It'll be a pleasure to get the gang back together: Big Finish listeners can be assured that we'll be in full prosthetics and restrictive Victorian tailoring in studio to get right back into the Paternoster Row vibe! Can't wait to get started!"


Edit2: Dunno if this is perhaps overegging the pudding, but conceptually I like the concept of a counterpart antagonistic group with a different power dynamic:

Plus they'll have to cope with the capers of the Bloomsbury bunch! This intergalactic alien trio, comprising a Sontaran (with Christopher Ryan once again playing a Sontaran) and human couple and their Silurian female servant, will be causing trouble in London – and this town isn't big enough for two extraterrestrial gangs...
 

Spectromixer

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
16,656
USA
More episode titles and descriptions

Kerblam!

"Delivery for the Doctor!" A mysterious message arrives in a package addressed to the Doctor, leading her, Graham, Yaz and Ryan to investigate the warehouse moon orbiting Kandoka, and the home of the galaxy's largest retailer: Kerblam!

The Witchfinders

The Doctor, Ryan, Graham and Yaz arrive in 17th century Lancashire and become embroiled in a witch trial, run by the local landowner. As fear stalks the land, the arrival of King James I only serves to intensify the witch hunt... But is there something even more dangerous at work? Can the Doctor and friends keep the people of Bilehurst Cragg safe from all the forces that are massing in the land?

These are actually episodes 7 and 8 so I edited my post lol
 

Ignatz Mouse

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really enjoyed the episode, rough parts and all. Didn't have issues with the dialogue, and I really liked that there were so many well-fleshed-out characters on the ship. Only the newbie Doctor-with-no-confidence grated.

Plotwise it was very pat and by-the-numbers, and how in god's name did nobody ever think the lure a Pting before is beyond me. But the ep was entertaining enough.

Between the tough-as-nails general and the "unbeatable alien is after our generator, we have to lure it away" plot, I was getting huge Expanse vibes. And that's a good thing.
 

TheOMan

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,122
I think it's becoming increasingly apparent that Chibnall can't / won't do anything campy. Like, by all accounts Arachnids should have been campy (and for some reason not-Trump of all characters kind of was), but Chibnall seems very keen on keeping things as grounded as possible.

Realistically, you'd think having an intentional 'family unit' in the TARDIS would lend itself to a nice, cosy, heartfelt episode, but I guess the interpersonal character stuff always has a weird...seriousness to it. Which then begs the question what makes a New Year special unique. Something about time I guess.

No more ideas for Christmas? Weird - they could have done an episode where the companions wish for Grace to come back, and she does due to some sort of weird twist in time, but it's only for one day. Christmas Day. Easy.
 

wrowa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or a show that's trying to re-invent Doctor Who as drama with hints of sci-fi. Right now, imo, the only thing it has in common with Doctor Who, is the theme tune, titular character, and the Tardis.

I don't think CC is trying to re-invent Doctor Who as much as he's (struggling) trying to find a new angle for the show to take, so that it doesn't just feel like a re-run of Moffat and RTD era Who. The approach he's found seems to be somewhat more grounded and with a bigger focus on "education" that New Who lacked so far. I'd say it worked great in Rosa, but not very well in any of the other episodes. Considering next week's episode seems to be tackling a more serious topic as well, I have high hopes that it might be another winner.

But, yeah, generally I do agree that this series feels rather "off" so far. It got the ingredients of Doctor Who, Whitaker's awesome and the companions are very likable as well, but it just doesn't quite come together.

I always enjoyed even the bad RTD and Moffat episodes, because even when an episode was dumb, it was at least dumb in a hilarious way. Chibnall's episodes on the other hand are so far often dangerously close to just being straight up boring. I miss the campiness.
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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No more ideas for Christmas? Weird - they could have done an episode where the companions wish for Grace to come back, and she does due to some sort of weird twist in time, but it's only for one day. Christmas Day. Easy.
They're either lazy as fuck or it shows how shit of a writer Chibnall is
 

Htown

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Oct 25, 2017
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But, yeah, generally I do agree that this series feels rather "off" so far. It got the ingredients of Doctor Who, Whitaker's awesome and the companions are very likable as well, but it just doesn't quite come together.
yeah, it just isn't working for me

it's not completely terrible or anything, it's just sort of... weak, I don't know

like nothing is really hitting the mark like it should
 

Spectromixer

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Oct 25, 2017
16,656
USA
I just feel like Chibnall wants to tell his own stories and doesn't want to have to deal with making something being Christmas themed.
 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think CC is trying to re-invent Doctor Who as much as he's (struggling) trying to find a new angle for the show to take, so that it doesn't just feel like a re-run of Moffat and RTD era Who. The approach he's found seems to be somewhat more grounded and with a bigger focus on "education" that New Who lacked so far. I'd say it worked great in Rosa, but not very well in any of the other episodes. Considering next week's episode seems to be tackling a more serious topic as well, I have high hopes that it might be another winner.

But, yeah, generally I do agree that this series feels rather "off" so far. It got the ingredients of Doctor Who, Whitaker's awesome and the companions are very likable as well, but it just doesn't quite come together.

I always enjoyed even the bad RTD and Moffat episodes, because even when an episode was dumb, it was at least dumb in a hilarious way. Chibnall's episodes on the other hand are so far often dangerously close to just being straight up boring. I miss the campiness.

Yep, never thought I'd want RTD or Moffatt back in charge lol.

It's like CC looked up a recipe for Doctor Who, got the ratios of all the ingredients wrong, shoved them into a blender, and out pops CC's Doctor Who. I understand a showrunner wanting to put his/her mark on his/her era, but, "if it's not broke, then don't try to fix it". I can appreciate that some people feel that Doctor Who, under Moffat or RTD, became OTT, or turned the Doctor into 'Space Jesus', but that doesn't mean that CC, imo, had to go 100% completely in the opposite direction.

A previous poster picked out where I said that it felt like there were only "hints" of sci-fi. Maybe a more apt way, imo, to put it would be that drama would take a backseat to the sci-fi, under Moffat and RTD; it was still there, but not as pronounced every single episode. In last night's episode, imo opinion, it felt like the drama, once again, took the front stage, and there might as well have been no sci-fi involved, as it was so insignificant in the end.

IMO, CC should re-think his strategy...

yeah, it just isn't working for me

it's not completely terrible or anything, it's just sort of... weak, I don't know

like nothing is really hitting the mark like it should

You remember in Silence in the Library, when River Song was talking to Donna about the Doctor, and she said that the Tenth Doctor, wasn't her Doctor, not yet, and went on to describe what her Doctor was like? It's like that for me lol, watching something that says it's Doctor Who, but it isn't, not yet...

Yeah this series is really not doing it for me. Except the Rosa Parks episode, which was fantastic.

The drama and stories have been really good, it's just that the Doctor really hasn't been needed; it could have been Torchwood, the Patternoster Gang, or even xyz, that could have resolved the "problems".

It's like getting Columbo or Sherlock Holmes or Poirot to solve something any bobby on the beat could solve lol, imo.
 
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Santiako

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah this series is really not doing it for me. Except the Rosa Parks episode, which was fantastic.
 

Tankshell

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Nov 1, 2017
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This is by far the worst series of Who I can remember seeing. Hands down. It's just completely awful.
 

mclem

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Oct 25, 2017
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Very odd announcement today -- The Wheel in Space is being animated...sort of:



https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.or...ed-wiped-25th-birthday-bonanza-2018-11-05.pdf

So they're animating the first (lost) episode of The Wheel in Space... but it's being condensed down to 10 minutes instead of the full 25. The last sentence also sounds like this will be more of a curio tossed onto a DVD set as an extra, rather than the beginning of a full animated Wheel serial.

Not really sure what to make of this. It's better than nothing I guess, but at the same time, why bother with something so minor in the first place?


The trailer at the end of The Woman Who Fell to Earth was the oddest one... nothing to tease the season itself beyond a bizarrely long sizzle reel of guest stars. And maybe I'm just very American, but outside of Alan Cumming, I had no idea who any of those people even were!

There were quite a few names there that I didn't know as a Brit, although probably more than you would. Names from that list that I did know:

Art Malik (Long-established veteran actor, been in a ton of stuff)
Suzanne Packer ('Tess Bateman' from Casualty; also comes up in trivia fairly often because she's the sister of the hurdler Colin Jackson)
Ben Bailey Smith (Rapper, comedian, uses the name "Doc Brown". Appeared with Ricky Gervais as David Brent in a Comic Relief skit)
Lee Mack (Comedian, does a lot of panel show work - team captain on the excellent Would I Lie To You. Also lead in the sitcom Not Going Out)
Julie Hesmondhalgh (Corrie, in a somewhat famous character since she played a transsexual)
Mark Addy (Lots of stuff, most notably The Full Monty)
Alan Cumming (The High Life. What, has he done stuff since that?)

Some I didn't know by name, but realised I knew them when I looked them up:
Shobna Gulati (Also Corrie)
Vinette Robinson (Sgt. Donovan from Sherlock)
Shaun Dooley (Lots of things)
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is is weird that I like these episodes far more than 11 and 12? Because i feel more and more like my tastes are simply not "right" given how many episodes have people going "it's not good" when I've been liking these episodes far more than Moffat.
 

Xagarath

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Oct 28, 2017
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Is is weird that I like these episodes far more than 11 and 12? Because i feel more and more like my tastes are simply not "right" given how many episodes have people going "it's not good" when I've been liking these episodes far more than Moffat.
Not at all - I'd agree, aside from 11's first series (which I did really like).

As a long-time (ie pre-2005) viewer, these episodes feel more like Dr Who to me than most of the Moffat era, and even some of RTD.
 

Chitown B

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Nov 15, 2017
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I guess that's what is bugging me a bit right now. I want less grounded and I don't mind a bit of arrogant swagger from the doctor. I like it when she is the smartest person in the room and knows it. Maybe I want a bit more alien from her.

She's way too human. It's not Jodie's fault, it's the writing. I can see her being zany and alien, but they're shoving her in a package about social issues for every episode so far. Like as an alien she's supposed to be the human social issues protector. Just let her be a fun alien. <--- coming from a very liberal person
 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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She's way too human. It's not Jodie's fault, it's the writing. I can see her being zany and alien, but they're shoving her in a package about social issues for every episode so far. Like as an alien she's supposed to be the human social issues protector. Just let her be a fun alien. <--- coming from a very liberal person

I agree that it's definitely not Jodie's fault. You can see the energy and potential behind her portrayal, that's itching to be let out.
 

AHA-Lambda

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well that was another bland episode.

I still can't believe Bradley Walsh is the best actor on this.
Jodie is totally average and the other 2 are so bland I forget they're there half the time

And the Pting.
Who names this stuff.
The Stitch comparison feels really apt; it was hardly threatening in any way and I couldn't take it seriously.

Yes I'm irrationally mad that Dr who had yet another boring episode :/
 

APZonerunner

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think Jodie's fantastic, but she's just... it takes a really special sort of actor to make this sort of dross dialogue sound good. I don't think Smith or Tennant could've made it work, for instance. Maybe Eccleston or Capaldi. Walsh is one of the actors who makes bad lines sing, somehow.
 

BrokenFiction

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Oct 25, 2017
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So far this season has had a lot of good ingredients that haven't made a good soup yet. I like everyone, but it hasn't come together yet for me.
 

Paradox

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I think Jodie's fantastic, but she's just... it takes a really special sort of actor to make this sort of dross dialogue sound good. I don't think Smith or Tennant could've made it work, for instance. Maybe Eccleston or Capaldi. Walsh is one of the actors who makes bad lines sing, somehow.

The scene where she's trying to turn around a medical spaceship because she wants to get back to her TARDIS is probably one of the most baffling character choices I've seen in a long time. I literally screwed my eyebrows up in confusion.

Like, sure, she wants to make sure it's safe, and she's a bit dazed and confused, but she's just nearly got her friends killed and she's on board a ship with who knows how many other injured people and she's acting like they left one of her companions behind. The Doctor constantly gets separated from the TARDIS; that's the set up to most stories.

It's stuff like that that makes it feel like Chibnall hasn't been watching the show for the past 13 years and so just binge-watched a few episodes, noted down that the Doctor is 'kooky', says 'weird stuff' and likes her TARDIS and ran with that.
 

APZonerunner

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The scene where she's trying to turn around a medical spaceship because she wants to get back to her TARDIS is probably one of the most baffling character choices I've seen in a long time. I literally screwed my eyebrows up in confusion.

Like, sure, she wants to make sure it's safe, and she's a bit dazed and confused, but she's just nearly got her friends killed and she's on board a ship with who knows how many other injured people and she's acting like they left one of her companions behind. The Doctor constantly gets separated from the TARDIS; that's the set up to most stories.

It's stuff like that that makes it feel like Chibnall hasn't been watching the show for the past 13 years and so just binge-watched a few episodes, noted down that the Doctor is 'kooky', says 'weird stuff' and likes her TARDIS and ran with that.

It's bizarre to me, yeah. Like, there's no sense of panic in the character in Cold War or The Impossible Planet or any of the numerous other episodes where the Doctor thinks the TARDIS is lost.

The thing I'm getting off Jodie's Doctor so far is that she's like Smith in his later years. In series 5, Smith has a more layered portrayal of the Doctor. The kookiness is there, but there's also surprising darkness, self-doubt, anger, etc, plus him as a seventh Doctor-esque manipulator, even of his friends. A lot of this evaporates in Series 6 and 7. In a weird way, Smith's Doctor suffers what I call the 'post-regeneration retcon' early.

What I mean by this is always in the show's history once an actor playing the Doctor has moved on, their portrayal of the Doctor ends up being diluted down to its most memorable aspects if they return. You don't have time to re-establish them, so you just go for the beats most remembered by the audience and even play them up to the point where they're not actually accurate.

So when Troughton came back for later episodes, his Doctor was always played as 'the clown one', with the recorder and being bumbling. There was a lot more to Troughton's interpretation in his actual era - in fact, it's one of the most nuanced in the classic era - but when he returned, he was boiled down to The Clown. That's who his Doctor 'is'.

This is true in modern Doctor Who, too - in Day of the Doctor you get Tennant's version of the character boiled down to the romantic and the off-beat hero - so you get the grandstanding speech to the rabbit, the Elizabeth stuff, even flirting with Clara. We all know Tennant's Doctor was a lot more than that, but this is shorthand for his Doctor. The shorthand always means a returning Doctor does out-of-character stuff as part of the shortcut, too. The moment that stands out to me in Day of the Doctor is him doing this flirty, grinning as he turns a handshake with Clara's into kissing her hand when he says goodbye - that's not the sort of thing he ever actually did in his era (in fact, he always mostly bemused at each romantic advance upon him). He was never that smooth. But this is the post-regeneration retcon, the shorthand: he's the romantic Doctor. They even go in for the reaction shot of Smith watching him, looking bemused, like, "I can't believe I was like this." You can guarantee that when Smith returns he'll be the 'Goofy one' and Capaldi will be the 'no-nonsense shouty one' too, even though Capaldi's version is also quite tender.

Anyway. A curious thing about Moffat's era, and Smith's part of it in particular, is that Smith hits that phase straight away. Series 5 is more scattershot with characterization and so Smith can do more, but by Series 6 it feels like Moffat had watched back Series 5 a few times, decided what worked for Smith best and doubles down on those elements and does away with everything else. The same is actually true of Capaldi, but it's less so, I think in part because Capaldi was approaching it from a very different angle to Smith (as a fan) and was constantly cramming references to other past Doctors into his interpretation, which adds a lot of texture. It's weird, but I think they're both more shallow versions of the character when you take in the entirety of their work than Tennant despite amazing acting work from the leads... and it means that Smith and Capaldi's Doctors in particular have a lot to gain when they hit Big Finish.

I'll get to my point eventually. Bloody hell. Point is, I feel like Jodie's Doctor so far is almost like the Smith of Series 6 and 7, like she's missing a layer or two, like she's too stripped back. And that isn't her fault, she's brilliant - as with Smith's later series', it's in the writing.
 
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BouncyFrag

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Oct 27, 2017
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Overall an entertaining episode. I'm predicting the Doctor unleashing a Pting against a Dalek horde at some point.
 

AHA-Lambda

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Oct 25, 2017
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The scene where she's trying to turn around a medical spaceship because she wants to get back to her TARDIS is probably one of the most baffling character choices I've seen in a long time. I literally screwed my eyebrows up in confusion.

Like, sure, she wants to make sure it's safe, and she's a bit dazed and confused, but she's just nearly got her friends killed and she's on board a ship with who knows how many other injured people and she's acting like they left one of her companions behind. The Doctor constantly gets separated from the TARDIS; that's the set up to most stories.

It's stuff like that that makes it feel like Chibnall hasn't been watching the show for the past 13 years and so just binge-watched a few episodes, noted down that the Doctor is 'kooky', says 'weird stuff' and likes her TARDIS and ran with that.

And then the tardis is completely forgotten about for the rest of the episode too.
 

PinballRJ

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only problem I have so far is the stories, they aren't RTD level bad but they aren't great either. Jodie is doing an amazing job, and Ryan and Yaz are a little thin. but Graham is awesome, it's like having a whole season with Rory's dad lol
 

Ignatz Mouse

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I just took that as a sign of how completely out of it she was, having just woken up. Liked it, actually.

A lot more than "let them starve, shooting is inhumane" or "how dare you defend yourself from that monster who's trying to kidnap you to space and put you in an eternal coma."

Looking forward to episodes Chibnall didn't write directly, as most of the season's issues see to stem from a lack of an editor rather than a fundamental problem. Let's see if Chibnall does better with somebody else's material.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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I like Yaz a lot, actually. I sort of get complaints about her character being relatively thin (though tbf Ryan and Graham are easier to develop out as characters because they're basically an character arc; as long as they're in an episode together, it's automatic character development, whereas Yaz is in a separate orbit) but Gill's personality and charisma makes her totally charming and affable. She reminds me of S7 Clara where, ok so we don't know this girl's every dream and hope and fear, but she's fun and funny, so what's the big deal?
 

RyanPrime_

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Oct 25, 2017
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Theres still something not feeling right for me.

Its just a bit boring isn't it, and I try think back and say this is how I felt with Capaldi at the start but I don't think that's true.

I miss the campiness the most I think
 

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this season is bad so I don't feel too bad just coming in and trashing it.

The episodes just don't have a climax or thematically tie together in a satisfying way. This week's episoe felt a lot like the race episode to me where the supposed driving force of the plot was just handwaved away at the end. The deadly creature was useful and not a threat, the Doctor was fine going to the base to teleport back to the Tardis. What were the actual stakes here? Was there any real lament for the dead medic? There is simultaneously too much happening but not enough. There needs to be more meat in the stories.

The acting is ok and I like the Dorctor and her crew but it all feels sterile. The dynamism of the camera work and action scenes are just off. As an example the Doctor runs hurriedly through the corridor but the camera isn't following her, it is sort of static and focussed elsewhere. It makes the Doctor the unwilling subject of the physical comedy i.e. lets all laugh at the Doctor rushing to save the day! (I hated this sort of thing with Matt Smith too) The Doctor can be funny and light hearted but we should be laughing with them unless they want us to laugh at them.
 

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Theres still something not feeling right for me.

Its just a bit boring isn't it, and I try think back and say this is how I felt with Capaldi at the start but I don't think that's true.

I miss the campiness the most I think
It feels like the worst parts of series 1 (modern day) mixed with the pacing of Eastenders.

Saying that, I haven't seen yesterday's episode yet but I'm really not rushing to do so. It's missing connectivity between episodes. Series 5 is still the best first series for a Doctor put to screen. I wish it were more like that.
 

Paradox

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'll get to my point eventually. Bloody hell. Point is, I feel like Jodie's Doctor so far is almost like the Smith of Series 6 and 7, like she's missing a layer or two, like she's too stripped back. And that isn't her fault, she's brilliant - as with Smith's later series', it's in the writing.

That's a great way of putting it. My biggest concern is that she's been purposefully stripped back and 'generic-ed' because they didn't want to rock the boat with a female incarnation. Which makes sense to a certain extent - you want her to be undeniably the Doctor as soon as possible because there was a raft of people who were desperate for her to trip up.

My biggest problem remains in that I'm still waiting to figure out what her character flaws are. Even when she's having her TARDIS freakout its a guest character that (barely) pulls her up on it. The companions haven't criticised or critiqued her at all yet, and briefly running over the past companions in my head that's very rare. Typically by now we've had the Bill Thin Ice moment or the Amy Beast Below moment where they go "Hang on, this seemingly affable alien has a sinister side."

It'll be very interesting to see how the Doctor is presented in the next few Chibnall-less episodes. Because I have to imagine they at least had some overview of what this incarnation is like, so I'm intrigued to see what traits can highlighted by other writers.
 

Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I liked the episode ... it is a fun happy take on Alien xD

Also, pregnant dude is almost stereotypically british hehehe

Oh, this episode is probably home to the first proper piece of referential fanwank of the Chibnall era? The species the computer UI scrolls through before finding the Pting...

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bring back the Ood

how is it possible for there to be a picture of one of the Silence in a computer

Who is the bottom left fish dude ?
 

Halbrand

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Oct 27, 2017
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The scene where she's trying to turn around a medical spaceship because she wants to get back to her TARDIS is probably one of the most baffling character choices I've seen in a long time. I literally screwed my eyebrows up in confusion.

Like, sure, she wants to make sure it's safe, and she's a bit dazed and confused, but she's just nearly got her friends killed and she's on board a ship with who knows how many other injured people and she's acting like they left one of her companions behind. The Doctor constantly gets separated from the TARDIS; that's the set up to most stories.

It's stuff like that that makes it feel like Chibnall hasn't been watching the show for the past 13 years and so just binge-watched a few episodes, noted down that the Doctor is 'kooky', says 'weird stuff' and likes her TARDIS and ran with that.
He also loses his TARDIS from Face the Raven to Hell Bent.
 

Diablos54

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm just happy the CC episodes are out of the way (for now). I've never really liked one of his episodes before he took over so I wasn't expecting much but I did like Rosa and the first episode which is something! Hopefully now the series can kick on a little because I still feel like somethings missing so far.