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UK/Physical - Forza Horizon 4 is outselling Assassin's Creed Odyssey
- Thread starter Rodjer
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Declining what? Odyssey had the best selling AC launch (ww, all platforms, digital + retail, etc.) and best metacritic of this generation:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...anchises-best-launch-sales-of-this-generation
Looking at Ubisoft numbers per platform seems XBO doesn't do a great job compared to PS4 and that the percent of digital sales keep increasing. I bet he's only talking about the XBO retail SKU of ACO and that most copies of the game are being old in PS4. And even in XBO, I'd bet the % of digital sales of ACO is 35% in line with Ubi numbers, while I'm not sure if MS has this big percentage outside gamepass/Gold downloads.
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Show me the PR of Ubi Soft saying AC Origns sold more tha 10 millions. The only things we can compare is to previous AC title and it sold less than all old gen AC game and less than AC Unity first week. And it looks like it sold less than Horizon Zero dawn and the title is not a 10+ millions sellers officialy.
Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport are two different series for me. And Forza Motorsport sold well but the number we have are under Forza Motorsport on 360.
Forza Horizon sales are growing and it is probably now the best selling racing game. The only title able to beat it is gran Turismo Sport but we have no idea of the sales because Polyphony and Sony prefer to hide the number.
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What first week? UK retail? Gimme a break. Ubi confirmed multiple times Origins doubling Syndicates sales in units. The game also held it's price way better. No way in hell Syndicate did under 5 million.
Edit: We also have official sales from GFK, Origins did over 600k with digital in UK only (probably without Ubi store sales)
You maybe but the tweet doesnt. It also says " and is the biggest launch for a racing game on any Xbox platform in history" so that inlcudes Motorsport also next to other games.
Horizon 4 has had the biggest launch on Xbox of all the racing games that came on it. In the US offcourse. As its NPD.
Forza Motorsport 7 is in all those official bundles, and In most of the unofficial ones. Yet it doesn't crack the top 10 and in fact drops down to 14, from 11 last week.
So definitely FH4 is selling pretty well at retail.
I know and racing game sold less in US since a long time.
- Assassin's Creed Syndicate - 920 000 unités
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Here Ubi says Odyssey had best launch week performance (Sell-through sales of full game -physical and digital-, and player recurring investment in value) of this generation:
https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/comsite_common/en-US/images/181010_ACOD_Success_Press Release_EN_FINAL_updated_tcm99-336564_tcm99-196733-32.pdf
This means Odyssey made more money on its first week than at least ACIV, Unity, Syndicate, Chronicles, Rogue Remastered and Origins. They don't send press releases saying they sold 10 millions because big AC games and some of their main IPs sell more than that.
On a quick search I found this regarding Origins: "Assassin's Creed® Origins: record performance for an Assassin's Creed game in a fourth fiscal quarter" https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/...englishfinal_tcm99-324418_tcm99-196733-32.pdf
"Assassin's Creed® Origins: Industry's third best-seller in EMEA in 2017"
https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/...englishfinal_tcm99-319362_tcm99-196733-32.pdf
"ASSASSIN'S CREED® ORIGINS SALES UP 100%" In comparison to Assassin's Creed® Syndicate, on a comparable basis
https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/...nglish Final_tcm99-305937_tcm99-196733-32.pdf
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And does it means he sold more than any old generation AC, I speak about unit sold. And seeing the PR we aren't sure AC Odyssey sold more than AC Unity. Is is Revenue or unit sold?
If people did not understand I speak about unit sold. Easy to have more revenue with microtransaction.
https://www.google.hu/amp/s/gamingb...gins-en-route-to-sell-double-of-syndicate/amp
Ubi confirmed AC Origins is on route to sell double of Syndicate in UNIT sales in february. They also confirmed that the attachement rate of the season passes are much higher and the game held its price waaay better than Syndicate. Do you serously think AC Syndicate sold below 5 mil? Just let it go dude.
If I'm understanding you right, it seems like you think when they say "Forza franchise," they're only referring to the Motorsport games, which isn't the case (and wouldn't make sense, anyway). Sales discussion generally refers to the overall franchise this way, and then specifies "Horizon franchise" or "Motorsport franchise" as needed. It's clarified a little further for that Tweet when they confirm the launch is the biggest of any racing title on the platform.
If you're confused about any of this, there are plenty of people who can help clarify. Horizon 3 was already a very strong seller in the UK market and abroad, so FH4's even stronger performance stands out.
Impressive, but Odyssey sold incredibly well worldwide (probably quite a bit better than Horizon 4) so I don't quite understand all the 'LMAO' posts.
Here in the UK we love our racing games and it's rare to get any game set in Britain so that definitely helped.
Here in the UK we love our racing games and it's rare to get any game set in Britain so that definitely helped.
I'm editing the post adding more info: they talk about 1st week revenue both from digital, retail and DLC/microtransactions. This generation the % of revenue that AAA games from digital or DLC/microtransactions is bigger.
For them what is important is revenue and not units sold because it isn't the same to sell a $180 limited edition copy of the game than a $5 discounted copy of the same game on Steam.
In addition to this, the revenue from DLC or microtransactions typically comes mostly later and not if the fews few launch days.
And why not? AC Syndicate is 920 000 sales first week worldwide. It is the lowest of the franchise. Probably less than Horizon Zero Dawn(2,6 millions after two weeks) Seeing sales of other games and AC sales, it seems AC Origins is not a 10+ millions sales game. If it sold more than 10 millions Ubi just need to give the number.
I just said Forza Motorsport sales peak before Xbox One. The only historical racing franchise with growing number is Forza Horizon and it is incredible because racing is now a niche and a declining genre. It is more impressive than growing in a genre booming. And it is the best racing game, well done PG and MS.
AC Origins has sold notably more than 10 million worldwide.
Also. You are using VGChartz numbers as a source. VGChartz is a banned source here as the numbers are unreliable and incorrect.
Please don't use it as a source. Thank you.
No, it isn't declining. Odyssey had the best week launch worldwide in AC franchise this generation (it includes from ACIV from now), meaning it generated more money worldwide in digital+retail+dlc/microtransactions. And this considering Origins doubled Syndicate revenue.
Maybe Odyssey declined vs Origins in UK retail but not if we look at launch week worldwide revenue numbers as I posted above in a Ubi press release. Even the link provided above saying Odyssey declined vs Origins in UK retail says it doesn't paints an accurate image because the previous one sold 35% of its units digitally, number that for Ubisoft increases every year.
Ubi % of revenue coming from digital sales and from DLC+microtransactions keeps increasing every year and UK isn't a huge % of the worldwide market revenue, it may explain that.
Some related press releases I posted above about Odyssey vs Origins and its worldwide performance at launch (not UK only, not retail only):
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Sorry I think it was Ubi soft number they did not give source in the site I cited.
EDIT: it seems Ubi don't give number of unit sold but only revenue:
https://www.numerama.com/business/3...gins-ubisoft-a-reussi-son-pari-financier.html
Ok I did an error.
The bolded is the case here.
AC Odyssey has seen lower retail sales in the UK than Origins. It's not that uncommon as the UK physical market is in decline.
Globally we know Odyssey is doing well and that digital share is up 10 percentage points versus Origins. So whilst the game is down physically in the UK, it does look like digital sales are up.
Anyway. Let's get this thread back on topic.
As sales continue re-balancing more heavily on digital, I'm always surprised when an overall increase in sales is enough to push past the previous physical levels in a sequel. I don't remember any of those digital vs physical growth shift figures from this year, so it's possible that's actually slowed some. Still, good news for the UK market overall.
Again impressive Forza Horizon grow physical sales in UK and again against the market trend.
This is more of a commentary on the decline of UK physical for big releases than Odyssey doing poorly. If Odyssey in the NPD was doing great with digital included, I think its safe to assume something similar in the UK.
Will be interesting to see where FH4 ends up in though MS rarely release sales data. Seems like the biggest racing games this gen will be:
MK - 15 million+
GTS - 7 million+
FH4 - 5 million+
Will be interesting to see where FH4 ends up in though MS rarely release sales data. Seems like the biggest racing games this gen will be:
MK - 15 million+
GTS - 7 million+
FH4 - 5 million+
But you're comparing two franchises with only one entry this generation and a yearly series as Forza (or a two-year series with Horizon, which is the third this gen).
Also this Forza Horizon 4 is a free game with gamepass, which was supposed to kill retail and digital sales. By the way this is the sixth Forza on Xbox One... and they're not declining in sales...
I'm under the impression even Forza Horizon 3 has consistently outsold GTS. GTS is still a big title, but I think it's possible it's not even in the top 5, considering where even something like the original Crew landed.
Forza Horizon is a fantastic franchise, its a well deserved success. I hope the rumours that the Forza franchise is taking a break next year are true though, it risks getting stale.
(Plus an extra year in dev time could do wonders to the game)
(Plus an extra year in dev time could do wonders to the game)
I think too Forza Horizon 3 has outsold GTS. I am sure the revenue of FH3 is bigger than GTS.
Let's not forget what playground games creative director, Ralph Fulton said about FH3.
https://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2018/06/10/forza-horizon-4-every-season-is-racing-season-ign-first
That's a LOT of people, couple that with UK location, 90+ MC and FH3 drifting in and out the UK charts for a couple of years. It's not really surprising that FH4 has been off to a strong start.
https://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2018/06/10/forza-horizon-4-every-season-is-racing-season-ign-first
That's a LOT of people, couple that with UK location, 90+ MC and FH3 drifting in and out the UK charts for a couple of years. It's not really surprising that FH4 has been off to a strong start.
I won't lie, it hadn't clicked in my head that Piscatella was saying that FH4 was the biggest launch of any Forza game ever, not just current-gen. That's excellent. I suppose it's not a surprise, because the Horizon games are so marketable compared to Motorsport.
The Crew landed where?
Its hard to say without sales data and the ways one can be accounted as a "player".
I'm going to say it depends on the tail of GTS. FH4 will beat GTS in the US though in EU its a different story.
It's crazy that horizon is now outselling the mainline Forza games. I'm happy for FH, when they first showed off the game I was worried they were gonna force the shared world online connection thing but they made it optional.
GT Sport was over 5.5m players in July......9 months after release. It's consistently adding 250k new players per month. I'd be surprised if it doesn't hit 10m players by the end of the gen.
But honestly a full featured Gran Turismo released in the launch window of PS5 should be targeting 15m+ players.
The last hard number I was aware of was it had shipped 2 million within roughly its first month, and was past 5 million players a few months after its first year (~2.5 years ago now). There have been so many sales/bundles/discounts even since then, it's likely in the ballpark of higher-selling racers.
Edit: There had apparently been an announcement of 12 million unique players in May 2017.
