An epileptic is buying my Playstation VR

Well, you gave him clear warning. The games warn him too. I'd say you're good.

He's an adult. No one is more aware of his situation than he is. Don't agonize over it.

Dunno if you've done the right thing but this is legit scary.

God_Of_Phwoar said:

I also know he's not the most responsible person in the world.

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Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. If it's going to eat you up this much just sell it to Gamestop.

Are you really going to be ok if you come in one day and hear this person was seriously hurt playing the vr hardware you sold him?

Personally, i wouldnt. Yes hes an adult, he makes his own choices but i wouldnt want to be involved. Especially kniwing he tends to not make responsible decisions. Let him buy it from someone else. I dont need a hundred bucks that badly.

Some people could and would just shrug their shoulders if something bad happened and say, i warned him! Im not that kind of person, op. Are you?

If he isn't getting adverse reactions to games then it is just a risk and nothing more

It probably depends mostly on the game, like it would on a flat screen. Tell him not to play Polybius.

I wouldn't.

Box said:

Dunno if you've done the right thing but this is legit scary.

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I've never saw this before, that's really scary stuff. As a trained first aider who has dealt with seizures before - that is worse than seeing one in real life because at least then I can make sure they aren't going to hurt themselves and can get them proper medical attention if needed.

On topic to the OP, if it is going to lose you sleep I wouldn't sell him it. Yes he's a grown adult, yes he can make his own choices but so can you, and at the end of the day it's your property to sell.

You've done all you can, you warned him, the games warn him. If he still wants it, he's a grown man, he's made that decision. If you're really that concerned though, then don't sell it to him, just be prepared for him to take offence to it despite your best intentions. People rarely like to feel babied.

If he doesn't get it from you he'll get it from someone else.

This is like one of those "selling a depressed man a gun" kind of moral questions.

Just tell him not to play Polybius

God_Of_Phwoar said:

This clip is specifically what has been playing on my mind.

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That and the fact that you've posted a thread tell me you're better off selling to someone else, as shitty as that sounds for your mate.

Freezasaurus said:

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. If it's going to eat you up this much just sell it to Gamestop.

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MrJohnSherry said:

I've never saw this before, that's really scary stuff. As a trained first aider who has dealt with seizures before - that is worse than seeing one in real life because at least then I can make sure they aren't going to hurt themselves and can get them proper medical attention if needed.

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I've only ever seen it happen once when I went to pay for a piece of H section steel years ago. i handed the guy the cheque and he stared repeating the name of the company, then his eyes just rolled and he dived backwards, smacked his head on the counter and started fitting on the floor out of sight. he was behind a barrier and I just started shouting through the cubby-hole. A lady came rushing in and tended to him and was so calm and almost blasé about it (not his first episode apparently) but oh shit was I shaken. Ambulance turned up but he wasn't taken away. He luckily glanced the counter and got a head bruise and a nasty cut to his ear and he messed his pants poor bloke. It was pre mobile phones and I sat in the van for about an hour because every time I tried to set off I turned into a wobbly mess. Got loads of grief on my return ha.

Don't call him "an epileptic".

You don't know the details of his condition. Lots of people with epilepsy are fine with flashing images. It's kinda shitty to label him by his condition and then make paternalistic decisions for him when you don't know anything about him.

He's epileptic, not an idiot, and he knows about his condition better than you. He's a grown ass adult for fucks sake. He knows his triggers better than you do, he has done hundreds of hours more research than you have to make sure he doesn't bump into said triggers. Don't be a concescending asshole, he knows what he's doing.

nopressure said:

Don't call him "an epileptic".

You don't know the details of his condition. Lots of people with epilepsy are fine with flashing images. It's kinda shitty to label him by his condition and then make paternalistic decisions for him when you don't know anything about him.

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just go away

Box said:

'Ive only ever seen it happen once when I went to pay for a piece of H section steel years ago. i handed the guy the cheque and he stared repeating the name of the company, then his eyes just rolled and he dived backwards, smacked his head on the counter and started fitting on the floor out of sight. he was behind a barrier and I just started shouting through the cubby-hole. A lady came rushing in and tended to him and was so calm and almost blasé about it (not his first episode apparently) but oh shit was I shaken. Ambulance turned up but he wasn't taken away. He luckily glanced the counter and got a head bruise and a nasty cut to his ear and he messed his pants poor bloke. It was pre mobile phones and I sat in the van for about an hour because every time I tried to set off I turned into a wobbly mess. Got loads of grief on my return ha.

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Dear lord, that sounds horrific! If you had never encountered it before I can imagine the fright especially if he is sectioned off from you! The thing with seizures aswell is, if someone is used to dealing with them in their live they know when they are about to go so will actually sit or lay on the floor so it minimizes the chances of them hurting themselves and needing a hospital visit.

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just go away

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God_Of_Phwoar said:

He has literally said the words from his own mouth "I am an epileptic"

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I guess the issue is you are using the term to box him into a role and make decisions for him. It sounds like he already plays video games with flashing images and feels comfortable to continue doing so - unless you've left information from the OP, I see no reason for you to override his informed decision. As I said, lots of people with epilepsy are completely okay with flashing images.

Edit: and just to settle this false belief and remind everyone how rare photosensitive epilepsy is:

How common is photosensitive epilepsy?
Around 1 in 100 people has epilepsy and of these people, around 3% have photosensitive epilepsy. This is when seizures are triggered by certain rates of flashing lights or contrasting light and dark patterns. Photosensitive epilepsy is more common in children and young people (up to 5%) and is less commonly diagnosed after the age of 20.

Absolutely nothing bad can happen in this situation, it really is adequate for a person with this health history to use a VR equipment.

Don't sell OP.

Box said:

Dunno if you've done the right thing but this is legit scary.

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This video pisses me off so much, that one person with the super bright Wendy avatar with the flashing lights (probably what caused it) literally dances in front of him after he's obviously had a seizure and he's recovering, like seriously how fucked up do you have to be to do that?

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Dear lord, that sounds horrific! If you had never encountered it before I can imagine the fright especially if he is sectioned off from you! The thing with seizures aswell is, if someone is used to dealing with them in their live they know when they are about to go so will actually sit or lay on the floor so it minimizes the chances of them hurting themselves and needing a hospital visit.

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Yeah I felt useless! It must be terrifying being somewhere public and feeling the onset of one. I can't imagine.

Ask him to consult his doctor first. VR is more stimulating than the normal video game experience.

Has he used vr before, do games affect him at all?

God_Of_Phwoar said:

You know, you could have made that same point a lot less aggressively. I wouldn't say "condescending", I would say that I'd feel terrible if he had a fit using VR.

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Look, before being "an epileptic" he's a grown ass dude who has made it so far in life relatively unscathed and can make his own decisions. If he plays videogames, it's because he can. If he's buying the VR headset it's because he has done his research. He knows how to deal with his condition better than you do, so you should trust him.

You're fine OP.

As mentioned the visual triggers are actually rare. Apprently olfactory triggers are most common. He's an adult, treat him like one.

God_Of_Phwoar said:

I also know he's not the most responsible person in the world.


This clip is specifically what has been playing on my mind.

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Dont sell it to him of it is going to be on your mind. I wouldn't.

People telling you he is a grown man that can make decisions are forgetting that you are a grown man and are here because you want opinions to take your decision. By the looks of it you will be worried all the time and you won't sell it.

Yeah, so don't make a decision on behalf of a disabled person based on your incomplete understanding of their disability.

God_Of_Phwoar DO. NOT. SELL. HIM. THE VR!!!

I'm telling you this as an epileptic.

If you sell it to him, and by some remote chance it does cause him to have a seizure, and he gets seriously hurt, would you be okay with that? And if not, is the extra $100 (or however much you would get over trading it in) worth risking that emotional turmoil? For me, that's a hard "no," but I'm not you.

Personally, even if I fully trusted his knowledge of his own condition, just the thought that he might be underestimating the intensity of VR would terrify me.

You are not responsible for what another adult is or does. Take the cash.

I mean you warned him, the games do too so if he still wants it he'll get it somewhere doesn't matter if its from you or someone else

I don't even give my friends cigarettes if they tell me they're trying to quit

It's baffling that you even consider not selling it to him. Who do you think you are to decide for another adult what they want to do?

God_Of_Phwoar said:

he is really chuffed to be getting his hands on the VR (I'm selling it quite cheap, & everyone loves a bargain).

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Are you selling it for way cheaper than he'd pay elsewhere for a used VR? Would he be able to afford a used VR at a closer-to-market rate? But for you, would this dude even be able to buy a VR?

I hear and appreciate the calls to respect this guy's autonomy and that a tiny percentage of people with epilepsy are photosensitive in the first place. But what you said about him making not-great decisions would give anyone pause. That's the issue.

If you were selling it at the same price as Game Stop, I think there'd be less of a question about you selling it to him. But if this VR is becoming available to him only because of your discount, then that has to be considered.

I think if it's a close friend I wouldn't, because I would care for his/her wellbeing, to the point of being paternalistic. If I don't really know the person, eh, their choice.

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God_Of_Phwoar DO. NOT. SELL. HIM. THE VR!!!

I'm telling you this as an epileptic.

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This looks like the post OP should be heeding.

God_Of_Phwoar said:

I am leaning towards selling it to him. He knows his own condition better than I do(and yes, lights can trigger his fits). He is an adult, he is really chuffed to be getting his hands on the VR (I'm selling it quite cheap, & everyone loves a bargain). I offered the thing up for sale and he leapt at the chance - and here is the thing that has swung it for me - Can I SERIOUSLY look him in the eye and refuse to sell it to him? Nope.

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Oh.

Well now I'm more neutral on the issue. He's still an adult making an informed decision but I can understand feeling reluctant about it. It might well be that his epilepsy is exceptionally controlled and he hasn't had a seizure for years or he knows what types of lighting to avoid.

So what if he has epilepsy. He will know the boundaries of his condition and his triggers better than you. He might be absolutely fine with VR and have played it before. He might have people with him to make sure he's okay.

I understand you're trying to be a considerate person but he's a grown adult and can make his own decisions... epilepsy doesn't mean you're a five year old child.

God_Of_Phwoar said:

He told me he checked out some VR porn at a friends house. erm.....yup.

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VR porn is not the same thing as games. Don't fucking sell him it.

He is a grown man and might as well buy one from a shop or something. At least you are giving him a better price I presume. I think it would be offensive not selling it to him, he is the one that has to decide if it's worth the risk.

It's his choice. He knows his triggers and decides if it the risk's are worth taking.
On the other hand, it's a damn big risk. And if he's sensitive to flickering lights he should stay far, far away.

I'm saying this as an epileptic; 3D and VR are not your friends.

He could always sell it afterward if he finds out it doesn't agree with him.

If he's done his research and he wants to buy one why wouldn't you sell it to him. He will just buy it from the store or someone else. It's not like it's some type of rare thing.

It's not like your selling him drugs. This is just a video game accessory.