Blizzard is removing comments on the Diablo Immortal Cinematic Trailer video

TheMrPliskin said:

This is a really stupid post, just because game developers are paid for their work doesn't mean people get free reign to treat them however they want.

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Sure. I'm merely saying that because I'm just having great difficulty seeing that April Fools question as something that is 'toxic' or 'demeaning'. And how easy people seemingly label discontent reactions to how they handle this whole affair with terms like 'whiny' or 'toxic'.

Serenity Lotus said:

Would you say PoE does it better than Warframe or are they about even?

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I dont know what Warframe does, so can't say.

Wamb0wneD said:

The "I tried" comment still gets me. Maybe Jason will give you a cookie later on.

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now I'm shilling for Jason. welp

newmoneytrash said:

So you say there is no vitriol but then say that you don't give two fucks about the vitriol? This is a high quality level of Discourse

I've never said that people can't be disappointed by this release, but the way *a lot* of the fanbase has gone about it is incredibly embarrassing. If you want to ignore that and pretend it hasn't happened then fine, live in that world, but don't try and tell me that it isn't happening when it is and then ignoring it when I tell you where to find it

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Um. It's the internet, if you look for vitriol hard enough, you'll find it on any given issue (and many non-issues as well).
The vast majority of reactions here, on /r/Diablo and Bnet were pretty adequate to the situation. Not to mention the reactions on the actual Blizzcon conferences were alright as well.
Yet you choose to look for the outlier disproportionate reactions and use it to handwave all criticism as entitlement and vitriolic overreaction. Yeah, no.

TheMrPliskin said:

This is a really stupid post, just because game developers are paid for their work doesn't mean people get free reign to treat them however they want.

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No one was treated badly.

Serenity Lotus said:

Would you say PoE does it better than Warframe or are they about even?

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Pretty close but I think Warframe is more ambitious. PoE is a better model though. Nothing game play related is locked behind a pay wall and you can never pay to win or pay to reduce grind. The monetization is only on cosmetics.

tulpa said:

now I'm shilling for Jason. welp

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Why address anything the other person said when I can just put words in said person's mouth. I'm not toxic though.

Wamb0wneD said:

Why address anything the other person said when I can just put words in said person's mouth. I'm not toxic though.

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i didn't address the rest of your post because it's thoroughly ridiculous. no one said if you dislike mobile games you are a mysoginist, so it's pretty rich to see you accuse someone else of putting words in your mouth

Shadout said:

I dont know what Warframe does, so can't say.

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I see. :)

Dahbomb said:

Pretty close but I think Warframe is more ambitious. PoE is a better model though. Nothing game play related is locked behind a pay wall and you can never pay to win or pay to reduce grind. The monetization is only on cosmetics.

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o_o I need to look more into PoE. Thanks. :)

Audioboxer said:

A reason I want to check PoE out is I keep hearing it's F2P done right. Not what some probably expect from a NetEase game. "Done right" is subjective but obviously I mean not P2W or monetized soo severely you can barely go 5 minutes without getting frustrated/time-walled.

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Yea it really is a great game. You can play it start to finish for free, there's no bullshit F2P crap. Also they legit release expansions every 3 months, seriously pretty crazy devs

Dahbomb said:

Pretty close but I think Warframe is more ambitious. PoE is a better model though. Nothing game play related is locked behind a pay wall and you can never pay to win or pay to reduce grind. The monetization is only on cosmetics.

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Pretty much yeah.
Only thing somewhat affecting gameplay is increased stash space (or stash types, for more convenient separation of item types), and while I think increased stash space is pretty important (but not required) for a smooth game experience, it is quite fair when that really is the only thing.

Serenity Lotus said:

Would you say PoE does it better than Warframe or are they about even?

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PoE definitely. Warframe is great! But you can P2 Advance. You cannot do that in PoE. At all. Its Diablo 2 on steroids. All microtransactions are cosmetic or extra stash tabs. Sure, the extra tabs are nice, but absolutely not required. Having more or less does not give you any gameplay advantage whatsoever.

Warframe is fantastic, but it's got elements of P2A that, as someone who has played a lot of Warframe and spent around $250, you cant overlook when compared to PoE.

tulpa said:

i didn't address the rest of your post because it's thoroughly ridiculous. no one said if you dislike mobile games you are a mysoginist, so it's pretty rich to see you accuse someone else of putting words in your mouth

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oh I'm sorry, "people who dislike mobile games do so because mobile gaming is dominated by women and are a prime example of toxic masculinity" That's way better of course and makes perfect sense. Not.
I'm tired and done with your nonsense now. Have fun fighting the good fight I guess.

newmoneytrash said:

I've never said that people can't be disappointed by this release, but the way *a lot* of the fanbase has gone about it is incredibly embarrassing. If you want to ignore that and pretend it hasn't happened then fine, live in that world, but don't try and tell me that it isn't happening when it is and then ignoring it when I tell you where to find it

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I think we can all agree that YT comments are trash in general and not even worth discussing here. What I don't understand at all is folks getting upset about the relatively mild ways in which attendees expressed their disappointment at the event.

Wamb0wneD said:

oh I'm sorry, "people who dislike mobile games are a prime example of toxic masculinity because mobile gaming is dominated by women" That's way better of course and makes perfect sense. Not.
I'm tired and done with your nonsense now. Have fun fighting the good fight I guess.

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that's not what they said either. maybe if you keep changing the words you're putting in their mouth, eventually you'll come up with the right ones by process of elimination

diablogg said:

Yea it really is a great game. You can play it start to finish for free, there's no bullshit F2P crap. Also they legit release expansions every 3 months, seriously pretty crazy devs

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It obviously makes money. Who could imagine, finding a way to get a horde of people to almost always go out of their way to say "yeah that's the F2P game done right!" might end up resulting in good word of mouth and people spending.

Of course you could just go whaling and not give two shits about your PR/product vibe because money is money and as long as its raining in dissent or criticism is just background noise.

It's easier doing that if you're King.com or something. Blizzard like it or not even if they differentiate this Diablo spin off as being for a wider market, its still using the Diablo IP. So if this is a NetEase shit show even those not playing it could still be commenting.

Fans care about the IP. That might bring criticism your way from people you're not even targeting. Doubly so if the product is going to exist just to go whaling. That's why this is the perfect storm, as it goes right down to who Blizzard chose to outsource the IP to. There's next to no confidence in NetEase. Then you remind yourself of Blizzards history with P2W in Diablo 3.

Serenity Lotus said:

Would you say PoE does it better than Warframe or are they about even?

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They're largely the same but I'd say PoE does it a bit better. While Warframe is fairly decent stuff like the build timers, the ridiculous mod packs still in the store, the crazy mats or grind required for some weapons/frames, etc. muddy the waters a bit.

StereoVSN said:

Keep fighting for poor Blizzard, have fun at it. The amount of mental gymnasium you are putting in is certainly impressive.

As for that fan, if I paid $200 for the BlizzCon Pass, and maybe more for hotel and travel , you bet I would be upset at that horrid closing. Dude wasn't belittling anyone, he was upset and frustrated to see what one of his favorite gaming franchises turned into.

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but he got to play Diablo Immortal so....worth

tulpa said:

that's not what they said either. maybe if you keep changing the words you're putting in their mouth, eventually you'll come up with the right ones by process of elimination

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Riiight.
Maybe you will one day realize gaming journalists aren't untouchable and pointing out when someone writes nonsense isn't some crime against humanity. Bye.

Uthred said:

They're largely the same but I'd say PoE does it a bit better. While Warframe is fairly decent stuff like the build timers, the ridiculous mod packs still in the store, the crazy mats or grind required for some weapons/frames, etc. muddy the waters a bit.

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Thank you. :)

I love the way Warframe does their f2p mechanics, but I agree that there is some questionable aspects to it.

How does one differentiate Pay to Advance from Pay to Win?

Wamb0wneD said:

Can't you just answer saenima what these two humans on stage supposedly need protection from?

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maybe protection is the wrong word, but having to deal dumb ass questions that serve no purpose but to put them into an awkward situation is at the very least is disrespectful. are we hoping that disrespect can only move in one direction? is it now wrong people are being disrespectful to this fan?

i also can't believe blizzard had a q&a at all, but my guess there won't be any in the future.

真棒! said:

lmfao.... this is why nobody takes vidya journalists seriously.

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I wanna know what they person said but apparently they're banned now.

Einchy said:

I wanna know what they person said but apparently they're banned now.

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Had to be pretty special to get themselves banned, if that's what got them banned in the first place of course.

ajl19 said:

I think we can all agree that YT comments are trash in general and not even worth discussing here. What I don't understand at all is folks getting upset about the relatively mild ways in which attendees expressed their disappointment at the event.

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This is literally a thread about youtube comments

Einchy said:

I wanna know what they person said but apparently they're banned now.

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it said something like "i 100% blame trump for the immortal discourse"

they must have been banned for something else

Einchy said:

I wanna know what they person said but apparently they're banned now.

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The backlash at BlizzCon is the direct result of Trump polarizing American politics, leading to entrenchment.

Now, that's certainly the hottest of takes, but not really ban worthy, so I figure some enterprising souls took it upon themselves to teach the guy in question a lesson and mass reported the tweet, leading twitter's automatic algorithms to suspend the account.

See, that actually would be toxic.

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maybe protection is the wrong word, but having to deal dumb ass questions that serve no purpose but to put them into an awkward situation is at the very least is disrespectful. are we hoping that disrespect can only move in one direction? is it now wrong people are being disrespectful to this fan?

i also can't believe blizzard had a q&a at all, but my guess there won't be any in the future.

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The fans were put in an awkward position in the first place by getting that game as a show-closer. They just returned the favour. Blizzard screwed up and the guy who is payed to do PR on that stage got put in an uncomfortable position because of it. Oh no.
It's not "at the very least" disrespectful. It's disrespectful at most.
Also I wonder where you draw the line, or if you think consumers are generelly prohibited from voicing their disappointment as soon they are fact to face with the guy who is representing the company at that moment because that guy could catch some feelings.
He even stated afterwards he respects the man and just wanted to make clear how gutted he was at the moment.

The fan also isn't a public figure, so by definition it's not the same situation. And even if it were, Blizzard disappointed thousands of fans, the guy asked a sarcastic question.

svacina said:

The backlash at BlizzCon is the direct result of Trump polarizing American politics, leading to entrenchment.

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that is...a way of looking at the situation.

newmoneytrash said:

This is literally a thread about youtube comments

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Who is defending hateful YT comments in this thread?

Hold back a D4 announcement to turn the grim dark filter up proportionate to the expected backlash.

They may realize muppets and rainbows wont do this time if they want a mobile cash machine.

nicoga3000 said:

PoE definitely. Warframe is great! But you can P2 Advance. You cannot do that in PoE. At all. Its Diablo 2 on steroids. All microtransactions are cosmetic or extra stash tabs. Sure, the extra tabs are nice, but absolutely not required. Having more or less does not give you any gameplay advantage whatsoever.

Warframe is fantastic, but it's got elements of P2A that, as someone who has played a lot of Warframe and spent around $250, you cant overlook when compared to PoE.

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Yeah, even if we are talking about paying, $20-$30 will cover you in PoE. Warframe is a lot more confusing and pushes you more to spend money on various things.

Mind you, if this mobile Diablo has Warframe type monetization, it would be pretty good since at the end of a day, you can get by in Warframe (from what I played) without spending too much. That's not going to happen here.

Wamb0wneD said:

The fans were put in an awkward position in the first place by getting that game as a show-closer. They just returned the favour. Blizzard screwed up and the guy who is payed to do PR on that stage got put in an uncomfortable position because of it. Oh no.
It's not "at the very least" disrespectful. It's disrespectful at most.
Also I wonder where you draw the line, or if you think consumers are generelly prohibited from voicing their disappointment as soon they are fact to face with the guy who is representing the company at that moment because that guy could catch some feelings.
He even stated afterwards he respects the man and just wanted to make clear how gutted he was at the moment.

The fan also isn't a public figure, so by definition it's not the same situation. And even if it were, Blizzard disappointed thousands of fans, the guy asked a sarcastic question.

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i think we crossed lines somewhere, i was mostly mindblown about the fact that a KIA image is being used here, and i know you've been talking about individual tweets.

you might find this a off-topic, but when you zoom out don't you find this all strange? are things like blizzcon even healthy? to feel "gutted" over a non-announcement? should they be buying expensive tickets to a thing that has so many unknowns? i dont mean to blame the fans, but the loop they're stuck in. i dont think blizzard or any AAA has my best interest in mind.

i also have no problem with downvotes, but i have a feeling that engagement is engagement to someone. it's unlikely immortal will be good, but if it is, think how effective a headline like "blizzard's new mobile game is.... great!" is when a lot of people engaged with it in the past. also will any of this even matter when D4 or a remake is announced? does immortal have any impact on D4 at all in the end?

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you might find this a off-topic, but when you zoom out don't you find this all strange? are things like blizzcon even healthy? to feel "gutted" over a non-announcement? should they be buying expensive tickets to a thing that has so many unknowns? i don't think blizzard or any AAA is my friend. i dont mean to blame the fans, but the loop they're stuck in.

i also have no problem with downvotes, but i have a feeling that engagement is engagement to someone. it's unlikely immortal will be good, but if it is, think how effective a headline like "blizzard's new mobile game is.... great!" is when a lot of people engaged with it in the past. also will any of this even matter when D4 or a remake is announced? does immortal have any impact on D4 at all in the end?

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It is like buying tickets to a concert etc. You certainly shouldn't just buy it for the game announcements, that would be silly. But then I cant imagine anyone does.

Immortal probably wont matter that much for Diablo 4. But every hit a brand suffers (or every boost it gets) might matter a little here and there. Surely, some people who didnt like D3 might be wary of buying D4, and some people who didn't like Diablo Immortal (or chose to ignore it) might think Diablo 4 is likewise not for them.

degauss said:

I don't keep up, but I mean there is a fallout mobile game, ass creed mobile games, mario mobile games, they are a different thing and don't have to be announced always lockstep with console/pc announcements.

Why can't they just make a Diablo mobile game?

"Oh we have this cool new mobile game, but please sirs, please, rest assured, no don't get mad, honestly, we are making new console/pc games too, please don't boo us, this is just a side piece"

And finally, blizzard hate just annoys me. They are the one company, if any, that deserves some slack and the benefit of the doubt. They have a vault of good will and karma built up over the years.

No one has done more almost to support their titles and platforms for years, sometimes much more than a decade after release. They are practically the gold standard that should be almost immune from criticism.

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In the very specific example I gave, and the specific context of Blizzcon, the people in the audience don't give a rat's ass about mobile games.

There's a time and a place for specific announcements, and knowing your audience is one of the most important things for managing PR and diversifying your brand.

If you're Disney, you don't use a Comic-con panel featuring RDJ and Tom Holland to announce a new sitcom on ABC. It's an inappropriate venue to divulge that information, even if it's a normal and expected part of your business in the same medium.

If you're Capcom, you don't assume your hardcore fighting games fans want a mobile endless runner headlining their biggest event of the year.

If Blizzard debuted this at the initial showing for the Iphone X or Pixel 3 they likely would've received a standing ovation, because the people who attend those conventions are hardcore phone tech and gaming enthusiasts. The expectations and desires of the crowds are totally different.

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In the very specific example I gave, and the specific context of Blizzcon, the people in the audience don't give a rat's ass about mobile games.

There's a time and a place for specific announcements, and knowing your audience is one of the most important things for managing PR and diversifying your brand.

If you're Disney, you don't use a Comic-con panel featuring RDJ and Tom Holland to announce a new sitcom on ABC. It's an inappropriate venue to divulge that information, even if it's a normal and expected part of your business in the same medium.

If you're Capcom, you don't assume your hardcore fighting games fans want a mobile endless runner headlining their biggest event of the year.

If Blizzard debuted this at the initial showing for the Iphone X or Pixel 3 they likely would've received a standing ovation, because the people who attend those conventions are hardcore phone tech and gaming enthusiasts. The expectations and desires of the crowds are totally different.

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I am seriously baffled that so many people don't seem to understand this whole context thing. It's not about the freaking mobile game and if Blizzard wants to make a Diablo mobile game that's totally fine. But you simply don't announce a mobile game whose target audience are not the people attending BlizzCon at said event, period. Release a simple PR statement weeks before BlizzCon or like you said announce it at an Apple iPhone or Google Pixel event.

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I am seriously baffled that so many people don't seem to understand this whole context thing. It's not about the freaking mobile game and if Blizzard wants to make a Diablo mobile game that's totally fine. But you simply don't announce a mobile game whose target audience are not the people attending BlizzCon at said event, period. Release a simple PR statement weeks before BlizzCon or like you said announce it at an Apple iPhone or Google Pixel event.

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I honestly think the context behind the disappointment is intentionally being ignored by some.

Serenity Lotus said:

I honestly think the context behind the disappointment is intentionally being ignored by some.

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And also the fact that NetEase is probably one of the most hated gaming companies in the East, not even gamers in their home market like them apparently due to how ultra-scummy they are with mtx and monetisation schemes. It's not just "a mobile games developer", it's probably the worst among the worst which doesn't bring much hope regarding how DI is going to be monetised.

By the way, lol@taking us for idiots saying that the game was built from the ground up when there are already GIFs from NetEase previous games showcasing the same interfaces and character animations. It's probably one of the most blatant copy-paste jobs ever seen.

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If Blizzard debuted this at the initial showing for the Iphone X or Pixel 3 they likely would've received a standing ovation, because the people who attend those conventions are hardcore phone tech and gaming enthusiasts. The expectations and desires of the crowds are totally different.

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Hmm, good point.

Beje said:

By the way, lol@taking us for idiots saying that the game was built from the ground up when there are already GIFs from NetEase previous games showcasing the same interfaces and character animations. It's probably one of the most blatant copy-paste jobs ever seen.

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I saw the barbarian one and it is so, so blatant...

I understand people are upset about it not being Diablo 4, but what's wrong with mobile Diablo? I'm playing it as long as the MTX aren't egregious.

Philly Cheesesteak said:

I understand people are upset about it not being Diablo 4, but what's wrong with mobile Diablo? I'm playing it as long as the MTX aren't egregious.

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Nothing wrong with mobile games, as long as they're developed taking the platform strengths in mind and with non-predatory monetisation schemes in place. This, on the other hand, was outsourced with what looks like minimal budget to a Chinese rip-off farm to just re-skin one of their existing games with Diablo assets, while said dev house is apparently infamous in their home country for being the scummiest regarding the handling of their games and community, and in a market where Pay2Win F2P is totally normalised, well, it has to be REALLY bad.

Beje said:

Nothing wrong with mobile games, as long as they're developed taking the platform strengths in mind and with non-predatory monetisation schemes in place. This, on the other hand, was outsourced with what looks like minimal budget to a Chinese rip-off farm to just re-skin one of their existing games with Diablo assets, while said dev house is apparently infamous in their home country for being the scummiest regarding the handling of their games and community, and in a market where Pay2Win F2P is totally normalised, well, it has to be REALLY bad.

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Oy, now I'm seeing the outrage. Lol carry on!

It's not only comments are being removed, but downvotes too -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/9tyvww/diablo_immortal_cinematic_trailer_just_had_over/

Philly Cheesesteak said:

but what's wrong with mobile Diablo?

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The main audience of mobile games weren't at Blizzcon. The last big thing at this convention is usually something big and interesting for the audience that attend the convention. It's like going to a motorsport convention where you expect an awesome new big race car reveal (or at leas that they're working on something, maybe a tiny trailer or at least something) and get a Smart city cruiser with an electric engine, not even manufactured by the original team.

Also, lots of people follow the convention with the same passion people did there but couldn't afford it. So you still have a big main and target audience not attending the convention but following it very closely from home and expectations are the same. At least they didn't spend a high amount of money, but they are still attached to the product/company as well and expected something else than a mobile game.

It's good that Blizzard anticipated some backlash, but maybe they should learn something about timing as well, and not only quality.

SwitchedOff said:

It's not only comments are being removed, but downvotes too -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/9tyvww/diablo_immortal_cinematic_trailer_just_had_over/

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Can be because people make lots of accounts to dislike the same video and google detects it

Uthred said:

Ah yes using YouTube's basic functionality and clicking on a downwards facing thumb, truly we are become as the decadent roman emperors of old decreeing death on those in the arena. "Toxic behaviour" gimme a fucking break.

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Obviously not the downvoting...why think that?

Uthred said:

You bring up the YouTube comments out of nowhere. The poster I was responding to was talking about this thread, where the only "toxic behaviour" people have justified is downvoting and booing. It seems you were confused in your haste

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Lol no I wasn't talking about the downvoting.....now I see what you're doing. I pity you, man.

Ignored

I don't know what's sadder: Blizzard thinking that removing negative and downvotes will magically make people like this announcement, or the people here still stanning for them after this.

Audioboxer said:

99% chance it is F2P like other NetEase titles. The major concerns are looking at their portfolio and seeing how they treat F2P, often Pay2Win and fans ain't exactly remembering Blizzard well doing Pay2Win in Diablo 3.

Then you've got the Chinese gamers saying NetEase treat them like pigs.

You can attempt to craft a complex mobile game with love and care and you can outsource it to be a P2W experience. The more big devs do the latter the less confidence people have in mobile gaming.

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Then don't play it. You get that gaming is a hobby and you aren't compelled to play all games?

I really don't get many of you. It's just a video game

Nerdyone said:

Then don't play it. You get that gaming is a hobby and you aren't compelled to play all games?

I really don't get many of you. It's just a video game

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What makes you think I would play it? Or is someone only allowed to speak if they play something?

Commenting on industry business practices/monetization and so on can be done whilst choosing not to waste time playing something if it's a cash grab.



"You don't want to do that"

Swap the above for "you aren't compelled to play this". Yeah, no one is, but if Blizzard can respond to players like the above, players can respond to them.