No, a shill is someone who is paid or is acting maliciously. In this case some folks are just too close so to speak, IMO, and they are not arguing/defending/speaking with bad intent.
There is a world of difference there.
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Blizzard is removing comments on the Diablo Immortal Cinematic Trailer video
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There is a world of difference there.
Shill:
"an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."
Again, it's malicious, paid or with bad intent. Seriously, there is a difference between a shill or someone who is perhaps too close to see an issue.
Someone who is paid is not a shill. They're just doing their job. And there are plenty of happy go lucky shills with no malice in their hearts. It's the opposite really. They just love some brands too much.
But i'll agree that shill is not the best word to use here.
You're just wrong.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shill?s=t
"a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty."
Cool, maybe respond to what I actually wrote in response to you?
Here, I'll requote it:
And again, I never called Jason Schreier a shill. That was an assumption on your part.
When having dedicated fans isn't enough - must go mass market. Disappointing.
LOL who actually forbids them tho. They can do whatever they want, and the fans that have supported them thus far can also react appropriately if it's misaligned with what they want.
I swear every negative response is so easily labeled 'toxic' nowadays.
I did. Seeing as I'm far from the only one mystified by your "vitriolic overreaction" hot take, perhaps the fault isn't mine.
Did you accidentally or intentionally leave out the other meaning of the word?
"a person who pretends to give an impartial endorsement of something in which they themselves have an interest."
This meaning doesnt include malice, payment or bad intent. In fact it matches pretty closely with "someone who is perhaps too close to see an issue"
Fuck me. I dont even particularly think they're shills. I think some of the comments are stupid or lack perspective and as such I dont think shills is entirely without merit. But still, arguing the definition of words feels fucking pathetic.
Can't you just answer saenima what these two humans on stage supposedly need protection from?
If you had you would see that I have explained that it is more than just downvotes and booing, but please continue to pretend like it isn't! It's helpful!
you defended other people's use of it. didn't say you called him that
Or you could just admit you were wrong and restate your original post to not just describe being a shill.
To be fair if the PoE devs actually registered this URL that is pretty toxic lol - http://playdiablo4.com/
But I'm assuming that was a "disgruntled fan".
Era -> Internet -> Era
https://www.pcgamesn.com/diablo-4-path-of-exile
Though it says Era found it out prior to this kefuffle.
But PoE did do some mildly suggestive timing social media trolling
I know its F2P and I have a PC, but they really need to get this out on PS4.
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Others learned to bail for a bit as soon they realize they can't bring receipts in regards to all this super obvious vitriolic toxicity they claimed happened and then come back after a while to berate others like nothing happened.
Where. Show me please. I called two specific journalists shills, the one with the toxic masculinity hot take and the one who used a Trump equivalency.
Show me where I defended other people's use of the word towards Jason Schreier. I'll wait.S
Spoiler: I never did and you just blindly lumped me together with other people because that's what you tend to do with people that disagree with you, at least in this thread. I'll also repeat that I never used that dumb picture/collage whatever, yet oyu claimed I did and never took it back, just wildly throwing shit out there hoping that it sticks. I'd call that a toxic way of discussing things but that's just me.
once again this is because a game journalist had an opinion you didn't like
Since it's the second time you care to reiterate how helpful it is to pretend to not understand something, I assume it's a tactic you use quite often. Your posts in this thread would certainly support that theory.
Hey hey, those people at the stage 'dedicated their entire lives to entertain you' you know, so come on we all need to be gentle with them, I mean, sure it's not like they don't get paid for doing their jobs or it's not like we don't pay money in exchange to what they offer us, but still, for such a huge dedication they need to be shielded from any and all potential words that may harm their feelings.
I mean, what are you people, monsters?
I mean, what are you people, monsters?
and I never said it was
once again
calling a game journalist a shill for a corporation because they had an opinion about mobile gaming you disagree with is shameful and toxic
Right, the original drive by was by someone else, but you jumped to its defense and even repeated it, so the point stands.
I'm only pointing out what people are doing? You can look at youtube comments and tweets and even posts on this website that go beyond downvoting a video, and yet you're still just reducing it to that. So either you're being intentionally obtuse or you're... what? Think that these things don't exist?
There was a time early on when PoE was very small and D3 was still king when they would ALWAYS schedule D3 updates for the exact same time as the PoE updates. Kripp used to talk about it a lot. The problem was PoE just did way too many updates and Blizz just couldn't keep up lol.
its not the fact that diablo immortal exists.
My thoughts exactly
its how it was presented, and the reactions from blizzad there after.
the parallels between Diablo immortal announcement and xbox one e3 reveal and don mattrick is amazing.
Companies bantering between each other is the best, even if some of it can be staged. At the end of the day, the only thing keeping this industry on its toes at times is competition. Though these days even that's getting tough as with the money involved you can just buy shit out, overpower with marketing budgets or power through bad PR with your fanbase being big enough.
The arrogant Sony/MS seesaw seems to still be in effect. Whenever one gets too far on top its time to let Ken Kutaragi/Don Mattrick out to play. Or with EA we get the blow out once a year or so with the "we've listened to feedback" apology.
Plus for the pessimists amongst us, nearly everything is going the way of seeking as much monetization as possible.
A reason I want to check PoE out is I keep hearing it's F2P done right. Not what some probably expect from a NetEase game. "Done right" is subjective but obviously I mean not P2W or monetized soo severely you can barely go 5 minutes without getting frustrated/time-walled.
I'm not calling someone a shill because they disagree with me, I'm calling them a shill when they go to ridiculous levels of reaching to find reasons to deflect any criticims towards a company. Which the two guys in question did in spades.
They didn't have an opinion about mobile gaming, they looked for any reason to discredit anyone who disagreed with them, equating them to Trumpvoters and misogynists. They basically did what you're accusing me of lol.
Jason Schreier for example I happily disagree with on the matter and I'm not calling him a shill. Crazy how this works huh?
"I tried" LMAO
My thoughts exactly
Publisher is right. I'm more disappointed they aren't developing Immortal, and it's a reskin. I knew D4 wasn't coming.
This. Nobody was personally attacking the devs on stage, and the fact that some folks here seem to think that's what happened speaks volumes about their own personal insecurities.
I hope you're aware that close to noone here is calling you a shill.
I really don't give two fucks about what comments someone posts on YouTube. The dead silence during the announcement, the downvotes on the trailer and yes, even the joke question during the Q&A are both mild and perfectly acceptable ways to show the disappointment many fans feel.
If you reduce the entire reaction of tens, if not hundreds of thousand of people to cherry-picked YT and Twitter stupidity, that's your problem, but don't act like you have a leg to stand on.
yes, you're just calling the other bad evil journalists shills. and not because they disagree with you or anything! because they have the wrong opinion. which makes them shills!!
Ok, that makes sense.
Thanks for the replies.
So you say there is no vitriol but then say that you don't give two fucks about the vitriol? This is a high quality level of Discourse
I've never said that people can't be disappointed by this release, but the way *a lot* of the fanbase has gone about it is incredibly embarrassing. If you want to ignore that and pretend it hasn't happened then fine, live in that world, but don't try and tell me that it isn't happening when it is and then ignoring it when I tell you where to find it
Fuck man I know, I need it for ps4. Even worse grim dawn is slated for Xbox1 but no ps4 because the devs said Sony is being difficult.
Blah.
I have plenty of issues with PoE, but their monetization scheme sure isn't one of them. Totally worth checking it out to see how you do F2P/microtransactions right.
This is a really stupid post, just because game developers are paid for their work doesn't mean people get free reign to treat them however they want.
Crossplay issues again or something else?
Crossplay is a prime example of Sony being arrogant and blowback changing that tune.
I seen PoE PS4 had been rated somewhere so I am under the impression it will be coming.
No it doesn't, but we have to be honest about when a product or service is being ridiculed and when it's the person. Yes, if you work on something you get emotionally attached, but criticism of your work is not always a personal attack on you as a person.
Would you say PoE does it better than Warframe or are they about even?
Accusing others of being misogynist because they don't like a mobile game is not an opinion. And if it were an opinion it's a toxic as fuck one. I never called them "bad evil" lmao.
Yes it's not because I disagree with them, since I disagree with Jason Schreier and don't call him a shill for obvious reasons. I actually decide what to call individuals on the merits of what they say and write. This doesn't seem to get through to you for some weird reason (maybe because they are some holy entity to you that's immune to criticism otherwise gamergater blah), but your overreliance on exclamationmarks tells me your argument has run it's course by now anyway.
The "I tried" comment still gets me. Maybe Jason will give you a cookie later on.