so you would stay with YUV, limited and LOW black in tv even with SDR? (so 4:2:0 for SDR)
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I don't think so. The settings for ISF dark room. On PS4 pro in pc mode are off looking
You can leave everything on Auto on the Pro.
With HDR it will default to YUV422 10bit and with SDR it will default to RGB full/limited 8bit depending on the your TV black level setting.
YUV/YCC422 on PC Mode add a lot of color banding and it's not recommended, that's why it's better to force YUV420 for HDR.
Looks great on X1X, SDR and PC Input for me.
What is "off putting" there?
Anyway, you are free to use what you prefer on PS4 Pro, I only tested everything you see with X1X and an LG B7
You can manual change to RGB Limited @ 4:4:4 every time you launch SDR, but it's important using YUV 4:2:0 for HDR or you will have severe banding in PC Input.
Once having HDR Standard calibrated, both 4K/HDR Blu-rays and Games set to 2.000 nits look much more similar to HDR Technicolor Expert with Active HDR enabled so, yes, it's a better result overall and for mixed usage compared to HDR Game with DC set to MEDIUM.
Someone said Input Lag is higher this way, but I still found it responsive as before, and MUCH better than any other non-Game modes outside PC Input.
Input Lag is a non-issue.
yes, it looks better but input lag is a problem sadly. game mode is still much better in terms of input lag, but standard look way better as P4aolo says.
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Could you clarify your statement on AVS forums from 3 days ago? I'm getting very confused, your opinion on these settings is constantly changing, I can't keep up :)
Could you clarify your statement on AVS forums from 3 days ago? I'm getting very confused, your opinion on these settings is constantly changing, I can't keep up :)
Not OP, but he has also said that you can just change X1X output to 4:2:0 and reduce most of the banding.
So do I have to manually install this firmware update? My tv is connected to the internet and is not finding it. Its on 4.71.00
Also, why would we not enable 10 bit color space? wouldn't that mean we are not getting the full benefit of HDR???
Edit: nvm, I see it auto switches.
Edit: nvm, I see it auto switches.
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Somebody with the same exact name?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...rice-talk-1107.html#/topics/0?postid=57040532
Anyone tried any 1080p 120hz gaming on these bad boys? The one x has an option for it I noticed, even though games are 30hz or 60hz I wonder if it would feel smoother.
I'm confused, how do I enable this PC mode? Where is the setting? Do I just change the little label image to PC? That would seem like its purely just a label change.
Yes, it's me.
As I explained on AVSForums the added banding I was facing in PC HDR Standard was fixed lowering its Brightness to 49 while Unchecking 4:2:2 from the console.
Doing so, the PQ was identical to "Non-PC" mode.
PC HDR Standard input lag is a non issue, really.
If it's higher than HDR Game it would still be under the 50ms range, and much better than "non-PC" Input as it is still super reactive and the difference is so subtle it's almost unnoticeable.
It is also worth the better PQ overall for mixed usage compared HDR Game.
Yes, change the input icon to the "PC" one from the All Inputs section, and you will be in PC Mode.
Question about these settings -
I (somehow) don't have a USB drive sitting around, so I can't manually download the latest firmware and apply it. So for now. I'm using the latest available over the air (04.71.00).
Should I still go ahead and follow these calibration guidelines? Or might it screw things up and not look that great if I don't have 5.80.04 installed?
From what it seems like, that newest version only really helps PC HDR, and my HTPC doesn't support HDR anyway. So maybe if I ignore that profile and leave it as is, I'm good?
I (somehow) don't have a USB drive sitting around, so I can't manually download the latest firmware and apply it. So for now. I'm using the latest available over the air (04.71.00).
Should I still go ahead and follow these calibration guidelines? Or might it screw things up and not look that great if I don't have 5.80.04 installed?
From what it seems like, that newest version only really helps PC HDR, and my HTPC doesn't support HDR anyway. So maybe if I ignore that profile and leave it as is, I'm good?
imo these hdr settings made everything look washed out. Going back to game mode and my own settings from before.
Lol I wasn't denying your claim I was trying to say that I'm not OP but I'll answer anyway.
Do they work on 2016 models (B6)?
Do you know if there's any difference between setting the input as PC or Console? I tried switching between both but couldn't spot any.
moving away from game mode to pc mode ??? why?
EDIT: ok so explained in this post https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg...-webos-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/page-10#post-14517823
Is the consensus that there is an improvement over the previous settings which makes up for increasing the input lag?
EDIT: ok so explained in this post https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg...-webos-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/page-10#post-14517823
Is the consensus that there is an improvement over the previous settings which makes up for increasing the input lag?
As things stand we have no proof that the input lag is higher, just a "feeling" several people have. Not saying they're wrong, but we need hard numbers and we haven't gotten them yet.
The text in books and stuff in rdr2 is super blurry with these hdr settings. Something isn't right.
The settings are totally off if you try to apply Xbox one X settings on PS4. OP didn't test then with PS4.
You should use the WebOs values for PS4
My first post here on resetera, hi guys
Tested PC Mode HDR Standard and YUV420 on my Ps4 Pro.
Much Brighter but feels like more Input Lag than Game Mode. Its obvious in Call of Duty BO4 . Or my Eyes first needs to get used to this mode
Tested PC Mode HDR Standard and YUV420 on my Ps4 Pro.
Much Brighter but feels like more Input Lag than Game Mode. Its obvious in Call of Duty BO4 . Or my Eyes first needs to get used to this mode
What part of the HDR settings are off exactly? And are we talking having the PC input on or off??
All Games' HDR settings must be re-adjusted after applying the new PC HDR Standard calibration, for example I personally tested:
- AC Origins: 2.000 nits HDR Luminance, 300 Paper White, Brightness 1 tick left compared to default;
- Battlefield 1: Brightness at 50%, 2.000 nits HDR Luminance
- Forza Horizon 3: Brightness 50, HDR Luminance slider to the middle;
- Forza Horizon 4: 2.000 nits HDR Luminance, Brightness 50
- Forza Motorsport 7: Brightness 50, HDR slider at default
- Halo: MCC: all at defaults (1.000 HDR Luminance, 150 Paper White, Contrast 5)
- Hellblade: Gamma raised 1 tick right;
- Gears of War 4: Brightness at default, HDR Luminance 4 tick from extreme left to right;
- Resident Evil 7: HDR Lumimance 2.000 nits, HDR Brightness 315
- Rise of the Tomb Raider: Brightness and HDR Luminance both to middle
Adding this list also to the OP, give it a try.
Not anymore, the new settings will make X1X output and autoswitch to:
- RGB Limited 4:4:4 @ 8-bit for SDR
- YUV 4:2:0 @ 10-bit for HDR and DV
OP,
I appreciate the hard work you've put in to put your calibration results out there, but I think you should be wary of telling PS4 users to input the Xbox One X Calibration Results.
- The Xbox One X values DO NOT translate well at all to the PS4 Pro. This is why people are complaining of a washed out image. I have the X and the Pro- and had an opportunity to do a quick flip - and they are not equivalent. The gamma curve / default are different between the two.
- Second, I should stress it's probably best to leave the PS4 Pro set to Auto for Color Space and Resolution. The Calibration Results for WebOS HDR / SDR work great for the PS4 Pro though. The PS4 is smart enough to figure it out.
I also have two questions:
1. Doesn't PC mode force 8 Bit Color? I understand you mentioned PC mode has been fixed, are you implying that PC Mode can now display 10 bit color?
2. Are you sure PC Mode HDR Standard is equivalent to Non PC Mode HDR Technicolor with Active HDR On?
Thanks for your hard work, but so much is changing between firmwares with all new profiles for Dolby Vision, mode fixes, and differing values - it's hard to make sure everyone is up to date on what is what :).
I appreciate the hard work you've put in to put your calibration results out there, but I think you should be wary of telling PS4 users to input the Xbox One X Calibration Results.
- The Xbox One X values DO NOT translate well at all to the PS4 Pro. This is why people are complaining of a washed out image. I have the X and the Pro- and had an opportunity to do a quick flip - and they are not equivalent. The gamma curve / default are different between the two.
- Second, I should stress it's probably best to leave the PS4 Pro set to Auto for Color Space and Resolution. The Calibration Results for WebOS HDR / SDR work great for the PS4 Pro though. The PS4 is smart enough to figure it out.
I also have two questions:
1. Doesn't PC mode force 8 Bit Color? I understand you mentioned PC mode has been fixed, are you implying that PC Mode can now display 10 bit color?
2. Are you sure PC Mode HDR Standard is equivalent to Non PC Mode HDR Technicolor with Active HDR On?
Thanks for your hard work, but so much is changing between firmwares with all new profiles for Dolby Vision, mode fixes, and differing values - it's hard to make sure everyone is up to date on what is what :).
Yes, but I get eye strain if the picture is too bright. I dont think its the ingame brightness. But thanks for all your hard work. I really appreciate this thread.
The thread and my tests are based on X1X and an LG 2017 OLED (a 55B7V to be more precise), and I always noticed to "mimic" those settings also for PS4 Pro but I was not able to directly test it as I don't have one and I won't have one soon.
Anyway, it feels strange to me how a calibrated ISF Expert (Dark Room) profile would look good on one console and bad to another. If a TV profile it's properly calibrated and look wrong on a specific device, usually it's the device itself that needs to be setup accordingly for it, and not the TV profile to be switched for another one...
If you're using webOS SDR/HDR profiles for gaming while in PC Mode, you will have a not accurate image as both Technicolor SDR and HDR in PC Mode are locked to Wide Color Gamut, and Active HDR or Dynamic Contrast for HDR are forced OFF so you will always have a wronger and dimmer image compared to webOS.
About your questions:
1. I answered you in a post earlier about that;
2. The tone mapping is not exactly equivalent, but the Luminance for every scene is quite the same if not higher in HDR Standard. Once in-game settings are setup correctly, results are much better than HDR Game and all 4K/HDR movies and Blu-rays will also look better and much closer to Technicolor HDR with Active HDR
No need to do that as I already updated both notes, edits and links to Google docs to reflect that.
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OP, for your Xbox HDR settings, how did you come to the conclusion for setting Color at 44? Playing around with these settings, 44 seems way too oversaturated. 41 or 42 seems closer to natural colors, but I'm curious to know how you landed on 44.
A/B testing PC HDR Standard with Colors at 44 (plus Brightness at 49 and Color Temp W49) gave the same results of "non-PC" HDR Technicolor with Active HDR and Color at 55 using Planet Earth 2 4K/HDR Blu-Ray.
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RDR2 on x1x appear to be getting ghosting using these settings don't think I had that ever before using game input. When riding fast in cinema mode and the cama is far away and side on its pretty obvious, like a trail behind the man and horse.
Was running SDR before as it looked better but playing on HDR now as it's less terrible than it was. Rockstar really screwed up the HDR implementation so SDR actually looks better than HDR in this game.
Was running SDR before as it looked better but playing on HDR now as it's less terrible than it was. Rockstar really screwed up the HDR implementation so SDR actually looks better than HDR in this game.
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As you said that's probably due to the crappy "fake HDR" implementation Rockstar did with RDR2. Try maybe lowering its HDR Brightness to 200?
I had no "ghosting" effects in other games.
This is on an x. These hdr setting make text blurry. Going back to my old settings fixed it.
Texts are not blurry at all for me.
Did you uncheck 4:2:2? Did you set Sharpness to 10?
Yep 4:2:2 unchecked and sharpness at 10.
This is specifically renderred text on books and letters, etc. Not subtitles or menu text. Much blurrier with these setting. When I go back to game mode and keep everything else as you calibrated, but low dynamic contrast and 10 bit in Xbox settings, it fixes the issue. Things look less washed and the colors look nicer. Things actually look green instead of like gray basically lol.
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Untick hd10 in Xbox video settings.
More vibrant and less washed out in RDR2
I have both the X and the Pro. I set the Pro to use YUV420, Low Black and the results are comparable to the X in SDR and HDR. I tried Horizon ZD and Uncharted 4. Once I re-adjusted the in game settings, they looked great.
As for input lag I did not notice any difference to be honest.