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Guy says "you bump into a horse, and the game immediately sics bounty hunters on your ass".

I say "Actually, if you just stop and defuse the situation, that doesn't have to happen at all".

How is this debatable in any way whatsoever?

Oh you mean that? Yeah, there you are actually wrong. I had stuff like this happening to me. Like people opening fire on me because my horse backed into a dog.
 

Derrick01

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Guy says "you bump into a horse, and the game immediately sics bounty hunters on your ass".

I say "Actually, if you just stop and defuse the situation, that doesn't have to happen at all".

How is this debatable in any way whatsoever?

Because you don't always get that option. The game is very inconsistent in showing the "correct" options or letting you pick them when they do show up. You may get a defuse sometimes, other times everything is grayed out except antagonize, and other times you won't get a chance at any of that stuff and someone else will alert the police and get a bounty on you. One time it happened to me the moment I left the doctor's in saint denis and got on my horse, it nudged someone while it was turning around and I immediately got a $10 bounty for assault.
 

Seganomics

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Sure but it would be easy for Nintendo have introduce a 'neogiate with Bowser' option which if succesful would allow you to just free-roam the remaining levels and forget about your ultimate goal. There is a reason they didn't.

There are still story beats that Rockstar has to hit when telling their story. This isn't Rust.
 

Heckler456

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Oh you mean that? Yeah, there you are actually wrong. I had stuff like this happening to me. Like people opening fire on me because my horse backed into a dog.
In the 50 hours I have put into this game so far, I have never, not once, have any situation where the NPC's reaction to my actions was not completely justified.
 

dbcyber

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Oct 25, 2017
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RDR2 deserves a 10 for simply having the most accomplished and lived in open world. Gameplay took some getting used to but it's fun, some mechanics just clicked like quick draw dead eye which the coolest move of the year.
 

MrS

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In the 50 hours I have put into this game so far, I have never, not once, have any situation where the NPC's reaction to my actions was not completely justified.
I've had that experience too. It's not made up. My horse backed in to a dog and 15 people at the wood chopping place opened fire on me. Ridiculous, but the game is still 10/10.
 
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It's the media's fault for glossing over huge problems like they always do with Rockstar games and certain other developers who've hit darling status with them. You can pencil in the next Rockstar game or main zelda/mario games at a 96 minimum despite knowing nothing about them right now and you'll likely be right. That alone shows the problem with game critics. They're too soft towards certain developers.
Or perhaps it's because the games they make are of consistent high quality. They're "darlings" because the developers earned it by making great games

I don't like games like Bloodborne or the ones by Naughty Dog but I'm not gonna claim that there's some bias towards them for getting high scores just because I can't stand them
 

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Or perhaps it's because the games they make are of consistent high quality. They're "darlings" because the developers earned it by making great games
You don't earn a score better than the game itself deserves; it doesn't matter on the pedigree of the developer. The scores aren't rewards for consistently delivering, they're supposed to specifically represent the quality of the game.

Games journalism has been embarassing for years now.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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You don't earn a score better than the game itself deserves; it doesn't matter on the pedigree of the developer. The scores aren't rewards for consistently delivering, they're supposed to specifically represent the quality of the game.

Games journalism has been embarassing for years now.
Of course not. My point is more so that they're getting high scores for consistently putting high quality games as opposed to just bias or nostalgia. Games like Mario, Zelda, the ones by Naughty Dog, From Software, Rockstar, and so on are highly revered because they're damn good. The pedigree and reputation was built over time because of that. Whether or not you personally agree with the praise is rather irrelevant. I know I don't for the Soulsborne games but the games are adored for a reason, regardless if I myself don't like them in the slightest

To me, it usually looks like "Well I don't like the game THAT much...so its obvious that everyone else to be wrong or paid off or whatever somehow"
 
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Seganomics

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You don't earn a score better than the game itself deserves; it doesn't matter on the pedigree of the developer. The scores aren't rewards for consistently delivering, they're supposed to specifically represent the quality of the game.

Games journalism has been embarassing for years now.

Which games, currently sitting high on Metacritic, are gaming abominations which we can investigate objectively as a gaming community to prove your theory?
 

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Which games, currently sitting high on Metacritic, are gaming abominations which we can investigate odjectively as a gaming community to prove your theory?
Ha nice one. So the only way you can prove me wrong is by claiming I am saying something ridiculous like 'these highly rated games are actually the worst ever games'. I guess that proves I'm right then.
 

Zem

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If this is how people react to a 10/10 then the GOTY threads are going to be entertaining/terrible when RDR2 runs away with it.
 

Seganomics

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Ha nice one. So the only way you can prove me wrong is by claiming I am saying something ridiculous like 'these highly rated games are actually the worst ever games'. I guess that proves I'm right then.

By your measure, any game can be rated as excellent because journos are all shills that will slap a seal of approval on any old crap.
I'm just asking which games you are referring to.
 

Pariah

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RDR looks like one of those cases where general execution is so lavish that even critics who prefer substance over style cannot find much reason to dock points. Though again, it's not the first time (and during this year too) where some game has garnered a similar impression, yet motives were still found among their ranks to go below the consensus. Opinions, after all. If they were consistent, at least.
 

v_iHuGi

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RDR is disqualified from ever reaching a 10 with how poorly it controls and how much the physics get in the way of basic movement and how often the slightest nudge against someone will set bounty hunters on you. The media has once again failed to do their jobs properly.

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User score reflects way more game quality, once again it's another GTA IV situation.
 

nDesh

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If this is how people react to a 10/10 then the GOTY threads are going to be entertaining/terrible when RDR2 runs away with it.
Oh, the salt from the sony enthusiasts of this forum, the sames that were embarrassing themselves when Edge gave GoW a 8/10, will be legendary.
 

SirNinja

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Wait, people actually had control issues with RDR2 past the first couple of hours/missions? It's not that hard to get acclimated, especially after playing around with some settings.

Everyone go pick up Obra Dinn if you haven't played it. It really is excellent.
 

Heckler456

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Nobody will vote for FarCry 5 therefor everybody will be wrong.

There´s basically no point in even having GOTYs this year.

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Toriko

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Oh I think the gameplay is a failure in almost every regard.

It´s not just the controls. The game can´t stop throwing "bullshit" at you. The map is on the touch pad - everybody knows that. Except in RDR where you have to hold the options button. The L1 ring menu? Horrible navigation. Nobody does menus like that for a reason. Every aspect of this game clunky. Sometimes you have to hold a button to interact with something - sometimes a tap will do. Why? No fucking clue. Want to run in your camp? Not in R*s book. Want to sleep? Good luck hitting your bed at the right angle. Yes, it can take a few tries until the sleep prompt shows up.
Want to catch that wanted guy with your lasso? Nah. R* just deactivates your lasso because they have other plans for how the encounter should play out.
Save this guy from prison and run to safety? Mission failure - gun down half the town first.
It feels like R* constantly has a hand on my controller, like your driving in your car and the co-driver has a hand on your steering wheel.
It feels like I´m making suggestions to Arthur and not fully controlling him.

This pretty well sums up the absolutely mediocre mission design in this game. This is third rate level design and encounter design hidden under a shit ton of production values.
 

Seganomics

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RDR looks like one of those cases where general execution is so lavish that even critics who prefer substance over style cannot find much reason to dock points. Though again, it's not the first time (and during this year too) where some game has garnered a similar impression, yet motives were still found among their ranks to go below the consensus. Opinions, after all. If they were consistent, at least.

The Order 1886 is the antithesis of polish. It is also a Sony first party game. A gaming double whammy, if you will.
The game was decimated by critics and the general public.
 

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By your measure, any game can be rated as excellent because journos are all shills that will slap a seal of approval on any old crap.
I'm just asking which games you are referring to.
I mean again that's not what I said at all. Honestly if you can only win an argument with me by pretending I'm saying stuff I'm not, then why bother?