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Saint-14

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Are we really gonna use this info to downplay exclusives when Sony increased their forecast twice now because of the performance of their exclusives this year?
 

Trup1aya

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Rainbow Six is an interesting case.

Its opening month was considerably low compared to the heavy hitting titles you see in the top 10. But it has continued to sell quite well each month to the point that unit sales are now quite high. But it is worth noting the game has been discounted a lot. So it doesn't rank as high on the revenue chart as it would on a chart by unit sales.

It's almost a very similar case to Battlefield 4 which also saw heavy discounting.

Aha! Great point.

Are we really gonna use this info to downplay exclusives when Sony increased their forecast twice now because of the performance of their exclusives this year?

What's there to downplay? When 3rd party output is nearly identical on both platforms, exclusives are going to help people decide between platforms. This has an impact on which platform 3rd party sales ultimately skew towards.

The performance of Sonys exclusives boosts their outlook because it'll boost their console, service, and 3rd party sales.
 
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B.C.

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Sep 28, 2018
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Hmm.

Halo 5 being number 8 on the X1 is better than I expected to be honest. I always heard that the game wasn't a massive success (relatively).
Yeah. Don't use sites like these to gauge success of any one game. Chances are, the consensus is way, way off.
 

IIFloodyII

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Really surprised at no Destiny on PS4. God of War did amazing and nothing is stopping GTA5 until GTA6.
 

Trup1aya

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Yeah. Don't use sites like these to gauge success of any one game. Chances are, the consensus is way, way off.

The consensus isn't way off... Halo 5 is clearly isn't a massive success "relatively". Since when does a Halo game sit behind Battlefield and Battlefront?

Not to mention the massive budget H5 had compared to previous entries that outsold it.

I'm not sure what metric someone has to use to argue Halo 5 was relatively a massive success. Relative to what? This list looks a lot like last Gen's list, except Halo's at the opposite end.
 

Globule

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May 9, 2018
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Wow... I read God of War did well but I wasn't expecting it to do so well it would lake it into a LTD top 10. That's fantastic, the game really deserve it. Now I hope Spidey will make it too. GOW will remain my GOTY but I really enjoyed my time with spiderman too.
 

Saint-14

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What's there to downplay? When 3rd party output is nearly identical on both platforms, exclusives are going to help people decide between platforms. This has an impact on which platform 3rd party sales ultimately skew towards.

The performance of Sonys exclusives boosts their outlook because it'll boost their console, service, and 3rd party sales.
Read the thread and you'll see all the exclusives don't matter posts.
 

IIFloodyII

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Wow... I read God of War did well but I wasn't expecting it to do so well it would lake it into a LTD top 10. That's fantastic, the game really deserve it. Now I hope Spidey will make it too. GOW will remain my GOTY but I really enjoyed my time with spiderman too.
Mat said in a follow up tweet, Spidey will make it by next month.
 

Deleted member 8408

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It shouldn't be that shocking... What's dominant is MP... And aiming at targets makes for great competitive/cooperative past-time.

I get that but it would be nice if there were other types of experiences that could bring people together in these big numbers without the need to emulate things/activities that are tools of war, actually kill people, tear families apart and cause real damage in real life.

I wouldn't go as far as to say its indicative of wider issues in society as a whole but when you see it laid out in front of you like this it is slightly concerning. I guess these experiences tap into our primal instincts more than any other type of game available and that's something that will never go away regardless of how far we advance as a species.
 
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Btw. When you look at first party vs third party you should always use the 80/20 rule for MS/Sony platforms.

80% of the sales are from third party games. 20% are from 1st party games. The split in the US isn't far off that rule. (Actually both Sony and MS are skewing a bit lower than 20%).
Thanks for the context.
 

Trup1aya

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I get that but it would be nice if there were other types of experiences that could bring people together in these big numbers without the need to emulate things/activities that are tools of war, actually kill people, tear families apart and cause real damage in real life.

I wouldn't go as far as to say its indicative of wider issues in society as a whole but when you see it laid out in front of you like this it is slightly concerning. I guess these experiences tap into our primal instincts more than any other type of game available and that's something that will never go away regardless of how far we advance as a species.

What I'm saying is that sending projectiles back and forth is basic, playful social interaction. We go outside to play, and we end up throwing/kicking a ball around and try to do so with accuracy. shooting games are fun for the same reasons dodge ball is fun. They also happen to be the perfect example of coordination in a virtual 3D space.

As far as the imagery goes, I think there's a lot of room to innovate in this space. I don't think "shooters" have to be all bullets, explosions, and death to be successful. But the industry is reluctant to put on different skins when the current one works so well. Something like Splatoon would work on any platform IMO.
 
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ZhugeEX

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For reference, I put this chart together a couple of years ago which shows the rise of shooters in the US.

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ZhugeEX

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The big spike in 2013 for action was of course GTAV.
 

jroc74

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Are we really gonna use this info to downplay exclusives when Sony increased their forecast twice now because of the performance of their exclusives this year?

Reading this thread is hilarious.

The consensus isn't way off... Halo 5 is clearly isn't a massive success "relatively". Since when does a Halo game sit behind Battlefield and Battlefront?

Not to mention the massive budget H5 had compared to previous entries that outsold it.

I'm not sure what metric someone has to use to argue Halo 5 was relatively a massive success. Relative to what? This list looks a lot like last Gen's list, except Halo's at the opposite end.

Appreciate some rational thoughts on this. ZhugeEX even tried to put it into context. I think most ppl talking about Halo 5 meant in relation to previous Halo games. But that context just gets thrown out the window for some reason.

Im aware. I agree with you. I'm saying a console specific top 10 list doesn't support the argument that exclusives don't matter.

Exactly. I said before, to see at least one for each platform is amazing. God of War being on there even tho this counts since 2013 is absolutely amazing.

Also...imagine a Nintendo system with no exclusives or very little. I don't think Doom or Wolfenstein would carry the Switch to the sales it's at right now. Then factor in the games on this list that aren't on the Switch...

For some reason context doesn't matter either.
 

TheRulingRing

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Apr 6, 2018
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Funny to see people downplaying the importance of exclusives. No they're not the only factor, but they're a very, very important factor.

When PS4 sales triple during the months of GoW and Spidey is that just a coincidence? Or when Halo 5/MCC convinced masses of Halo lovers to stick with XB1?
 

Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's a third person splatter :p

No but seriously, we already have 3 first party games that sold better than Splatoon 2 and that's without any mainline Pokémon. I think there's a very good chance that it will be kicked out of the top 10 by the end of the Switch lifetime.

Dont get me wrong, it'll happen eventually but it'll take some years. Game was at 1m+ already last year and should end confortably above 2m.
 

v_iHuGi

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Wow... I read God of War did well but I wasn't expecting it to do so well it would lake it into a LTD top 10. That's fantastic, the game really deserve it. Now I hope Spidey will make it too. GOW will remain my GOTY but I really enjoyed my time with spiderman too.

Spidey has already outsold GoW (most likely), it's probably the 3rd best selling game of 2018 already only behind the juggernauts Rdr2 + Black Ops 4.

Far Cry is 4th, God of War 5th.

October NPD thread should clarify this though but I'm pretty sure that's what Benji expects.

1. Rdr2
2. Black Ops 4
3. Spidey
4. Far Cry 5
5. God of War

Don't forget with BF & Xmas bundles Spidey will sell insanely more but it won't count towards that figure.
 
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jroc74

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Are we really gonna use this info to downplay exclusives when Sony increased their forecast twice now because of the performance of their exclusives this year?
I think I wanna add something to this:

What makes this is a good example...those exclusives can only be played on that console.

I wonder do platform holders do this for multi platform games?

If not, there you go.
 

melodiousmowl

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Guess this explains why Halo5 has had active development for forever (only dying down recently as far as I can tell)

Also maybe explains why I could still find MP games without issue last time I played
 
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The only racing franchise showing growth is the Forza franchise

Honestly outside of Forza and Mario Kart the genre is mostly dead
And I'm not really sure what could be done to rectify it either. What kind of game changes would have to occur for the genre to gain more momentum? Possibly, more stuff akin to Forza Horizon and Mario Kart instead of games that lean toward traditional racing?
 

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God of War is an especially impressive entry on these lists considering it is only six months old and has yet to see any actual price cuts.

Xbox line up doing nothing to dispell that 'Shootbox' image it has always had though.
 

Tyaren

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God of War already in the top ten after less than a year is pretty crazy, also that Spider-Man will soon jump into the top 10 as well. O:
 

Calverz

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And I'm not really sure what could be done to rectify it either. What kind of game changes would have to occur for the genre to gain more momentum? Possibly, more stuff akin to Forza Horizon and Mario Kart instead of games that lean toward traditional racing?
Everything goes full circle. Bring back arcade racing games.
 

Lelouch0612

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And I'm not really sure what could be done to rectify it either. What kind of game changes would have to occur for the genre to gain more momentum? Possibly, more stuff akin to Forza Horizon and Mario Kart instead of games that lean toward traditional racing?

I would assume that a Crash Team Racing remake would do well.
 

Canucked

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't played a COD in forever. I was actually thinking (last year) that this would be the year but, alas, no time.

I would like to try the Advance Warefare story mode one day.

They got a big audience. That's amazing.

But a let's get some range in that top ten.
 

truly101

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm a bit surprised that neither GOW4 or Uncharted 4 are on either list. Otherwise, sure its not that surprising.
 

Trup1aya

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And I'm not really sure what could be done to rectify it either. What kind of game changes would have to occur for the genre to gain more momentum? Possibly, more stuff akin to Forza Horizon and Mario Kart instead of games that lean toward traditional racing?

I think traditional racing games need a new model. With each iteration, your playing with the same cars, on the same tracks, with basically the same physics, and a slight visual upgrade. What's the incentive to keep plopping $60 down every time?

Its the "roster update" problem in sports games, on steroids. Sports have ultimate team and create a player story modes to break the monotony.