Well then, Rockstar should probably patch this glaring issue then. hopefully soon.
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Digital Foundry: RDR2 2: PS4 Pro/Xbox One X 1080p + 'Fake' HDR Analysis
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Well then, Rockstar should probably patch this glaring issue then. hopefully soon.
Turn it off. No benefit and potential risk of burn in (oled) due to peak brightness focusing on the brightest spot on the screen which is the hud.
I think it depends on the game engine used, and I mean that for HDR in general.
They wanted to slap the HDR sticker on the box, because it would be a bad look for a AAA title to release without it.
Just watched the video and wow, it actually looks more crisp in 1080p than 4k? Is thst right, tbought the game looked to soft for 4k on pro
4k is far better on pro, even with CB implementation being what it is.
Now if they can only fix HDR then I will be happy.
I hope they don't let that slide after that DF video and Evil boris's revelations
Rockstar support has stated the issue(s) is/are being worked on.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. The game has been in development for 8 years, before HDR was even a thing. Adding proper HDR would take a lot of work, more than just adjusting the tone mapping to support a greater range. They should just remove it.
Ok, after having played for such a while in hdr as that is what my xbox one x is set to allow and all the talk with things about hdr is better than sdr, I thought I'd try disabling hdr on my xbox to see what this looks without it and wow... It is much better than the hdr representation and nights actually feel like nights now rather than just overwashed greyness, and the campfire is actually quite bright. I thought the washed out look (when seen in hdr) is what rdr2 was going for.
Rockstar really shouldn't have bothered with this and left it at standard. Not everything needs a hdr setting (especially if you dont know how to get it right). They've just given hdr a bad name with this game. After seeing assassins creed odyssey with its cool sunlight and bright and shiny armor and comparing it to the washout in rdr2 is not nice.
I just now wish that if rockstar can't give a proper hdr implementation that they allow for it to be disabled in game (supposedly they allow this on ps4?) as it is annoying having to turn it off just for rdr2 in the xbox settings and remember to have it enabled for everything else.
Rockstar really shouldn't have bothered with this and left it at standard. Not everything needs a hdr setting (especially if you dont know how to get it right). They've just given hdr a bad name with this game. After seeing assassins creed odyssey with its cool sunlight and bright and shiny armor and comparing it to the washout in rdr2 is not nice.
I just now wish that if rockstar can't give a proper hdr implementation that they allow for it to be disabled in game (supposedly they allow this on ps4?) as it is annoying having to turn it off just for rdr2 in the xbox settings and remember to have it enabled for everything else.
That's not exactly right, as the game running on the base PS4 with TAA doesn't exhibit the same artifacts and flaws in the picture quality. It's definitely their reconstruction technique not working well at all.
This may be sort of off topic, but when HDR was first announced for consoles everyone was saying that it would be really easy to implement and would basically just be flipping a switch since most games "render in hdr anyways, but just convert down to sdr." Where did all of that come from, because I cannot imagine it was devs?
The only flaw very annoying on 4k mode is the blurried IQ. Base ps4 version has the vegetation and the hairs full of dithering artifact which are almost vanished on pro, to be fair. From my point of views TAA is a way more aggressive in 4k mode to mask the dithering artifact of the alpha effect. CBR in theory should exhibit even major artifacts. Indeed it's just blurrish compared the base.
It really depends on the game, they do generally all render internally in HDR. However some games that the conversion quite early on in the pipeline and then art assets and post processing sits on top.
It may even be that part of a frame is rendered in HDR and another part isn't.
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The only real flaw or artifact the Pro on 4K or SS on exhibits is softer vegetation owing to the lack of a sharpness filter though.
It really sucks to buy and play games on day one these days. Characters missing in camp: working on a fix. Blurry 4K implementation: working on a fix.
I'll be done with the game by the time it's fully ready to play and experience the intended game.
I'll be done with the game by the time it's fully ready to play and experience the intended game.
Rockstar prides itself on it's LOD system's part of which is the dithering you see on vegetation. GTAV is the same.
Perhaps another couple of temporal rendering techniques on top of that doesn't play well with the game at all
To be honest, higher texture assets missed fine details too "thanks" to their tech solution.
So I've just seen this video on YouTube and it appears the HDR is only fucked up on the ps4 whereas the X1X is fine? Wtf?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OC-MOmja00E
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OC-MOmja00E
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It is not, the HDR method within engines can, and does, sit at various points. The entire frame or buffers will not be in HDR Cspace (R2020) and any conversion/tone mapping down into a clipped space for 709 would happen on the relevant HDR elements, e.g. post processed bloom is a good one. This conversation is likely to have happened prior to this stage and then you have to factor in any AA options, MSAA is a good example of this but the games TAA will be a Huge farctor here. Not only with the HDR option but also the abundance of the stochastic render patterns the game uses for Alpha, not even getting into transparencies and Alpha to coverage work for these. This is why engine pipelines are complex and with a deferred engine in Rage and multiple G-buffers this adds more complexity.
I covered some of this in my video and earlier in this thread, but this is a PR tick box IMOP, as such they were better to get a form of HDR IN than not as it would have been worse of an outcry, damned if you do/don't. In the great scheme of things it does not diminish the games quality visuals even on a 4K screen and so long as you tweak your TV it should not look WORSE than SDR but it almost certainly does not look better.
Gentlemen after my own hearts. On a 4K TV it's a no brainer anyway. The 4K mode provides much better coverage.
I agree with the above posts after playing the game in both 1080p mode and 4K mode on the Pro. There's also the fact that the differences aren't great enough for me to change the system display mode only to forget to change it back after I'm done playing the game.
Yet this guy is showing a video on x1x with 300 nits HDR and it doesn't looked washed out like it does on Pro?
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That I cannot say.
The DF video states they checked on both Xbox and PS4 with same results.
Does anyone playing this on an Xbox One X and a TCL 607 have any recommended settings because this game is bright and washed out as heck and I haven't a clue what to do
I wouldve taken whatever it took to get it to 60fps. And then a 4k @30fps mode.
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If you're playing with HDR, the only real recommendation there is to turn HDR off. I have the same TV and on Pro I couldn't figure out a good HDR setting at all and had it disabled since the start of the game, this video from DF seems to make it sound like the right decision.
"Whatever it took" would mean taking out a lot of the complexity of the world which would essentially make this feel more like RDR1 than RDR2 in terms of the world though.
I will not concede until I see proof that the XBX couldnt have handled the game and its systems @ 60 FPS at lowered visuals.
Sometimes I just want to see the whole internet burn.
I hope Rockstar will offer a performance and quality option for PS4 Pro, and work on their 4k implementation for the quality mode.
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So I'm slightly confused. I had my HDR slider set about midpoint in-game. I thought it looked great and the game looked amazing. Now I'm not sure if I'm playing it to it's potential visual heights after watching this vid. I trust DF vids. I have an R6 TCL TV by the way.
I tried yesterday to play without hdr (65 inches Panasonic oled)
It's a game changer.
The blacks and the Colors are more vibrant
I won't play this game with hdr until' it's fixed.
Too bad in assassin's creed it's gorgeous.
HDR is such an asset when done right.
Shame.
It's a game changer.
The blacks and the Colors are more vibrant
I won't play this game with hdr until' it's fixed.
Too bad in assassin's creed it's gorgeous.
HDR is such an asset when done right.
Shame.
Just cut HDR and produce the game in SDR would be my bug fix solution. Bring back HDR if you really interested in and when it is properly implemented by R*.
Resolution has very little to do with the cpu. To get this game running 60 fps they'd have half the cpu time to create the world and simulate everything in it.
Not happening.
