https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/us/delta-black-doctor-racial-profiling.html
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‘Are You Actually an M.D.?’: A Black Doctor Is Questioned as She Intervenes on a Delta Flight
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/us/delta-black-doctor-racial-profiling.html
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This is fucking disgusting. And it is not a coincidence why this seems to be happening more and more. People aren't afraid anymore to show their true colors.
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Wasn't there another story about a year ago or so when another Black female doctor wasn't believed on a plane that she was a doctor?
Yeah, probably another case. It is mentioned in the article:
OP really should have begun where it stops. The OP doesn't quite make the case. What happens after does.
Yep, that's the same artical I just found. We had a thread for that one at the time.
Edit: Yeah, It was even Delta.
reading is fundamental
The flight attendant glanced at it and walked away, she said. As Dr. Stanford continued to try to calm the passenger, another flight attendant approached and asked to see the license. She, too, looked at it and walked away. Then the two flight attendants returned together and began another series of questions.
"Are you a head doctor?" one of them asked. When Dr. Stanford said she did not understand the question, the flight attendant asked, "Are you actually an M.D.?"
Then the second flight attendant spoke: "Is this your license?" When the doctor asked what she meant, the flight attendant repeated the question. "Why would I carry someone else's medical license?" Dr. Stanford said she replied.
"Are you a head doctor?" one of them asked. When Dr. Stanford said she did not understand the question, the flight attendant asked, "Are you actually an M.D.?"
Then the second flight attendant spoke: "Is this your license?" When the doctor asked what she meant, the flight attendant repeated the question. "Why would I carry someone else's medical license?" Dr. Stanford said she replied.
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Not quite:
She interpreted the encounter as biased because of the persistent questioning about whether she was a physician even after she had provided proof. "It never stopped," she said. "I just couldn't figure out why we were having this discussion."
"The flight attendant glanced at it and walked away, she said. As Dr. Stanford continued to try to calm the passenger, another flight attendant approached and asked to see the license. She, too, looked at it and walked away. Then the two flight attendants returned together and began another series of questions."
You must have missed the bolded portion.
Weird. I figured she had face tats or something when she mentioned she didnt look the part. Turns out she just already knew what time it was.
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She also looks super young. I think that's what she was referring. Her pic is in the article.
Again, she didn't mind being asked about her credentials. It was the persistent asking after she proved it.
gotta click through to the whole article. paints the whole picture.
This happened this week but there was a very similar story a couple years ago where something similar happened and they didn't want the black doctor to help out.
And also that they were more interested in questioning if she really is a docto multiple times, then helping the passenger is distress.
Showing that even after they saw her credentials, they still didn't believe her.
The doctor in this new incident even keeps her medical ID handy because of the incident 2 years ago.
I get wanting to check to make sure whoever is providing medical assistance is actually a trained medical person but this -
is absolute bullshit.
is absolute bullshit.
You did, and there's totally a six-degrees-of-racism thing going on here because:
The New York Times said:
So the doctor who got this treatment on Delta in 2016 participated in a panel on bias in medicine with the doctor who was subsequently walking into the same buzzsaw on a Delta partner jet in 2018, within weeks of the encounter.
Yep, It was a Dr. Tamika Cross, at the Lyndon B. Johnson Hospital in Houston that was on that plane.
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That last paragraph of the quoted text should be enough, my dude ;P. There's also a link.
My family is comprised of MDs and oh god I can't imagine the shitstorm they would have gotten if they had questioned my mother or stepmother. Both of them would have snapped so hard they would have gotten put on the no-flight list.
Well you aren't suppose to post the entire article
And people should actually go read it before posting
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I'm sure Delta before reading the airline was like, "Glad we're not American Airli- wait this is from us? Goddammit!"
Who the hell questions someone of their medical expertise when they are trying to help someone, let alone a trained professional. Would they rather of had Joe Blow try and make a diagnosis on WebMD and conclude cancer for the woman? So dumb.
Who the hell questions someone of their medical expertise when they are trying to help someone, let alone a trained professional. Would they rather of had Joe Blow try and make a diagnosis on WebMD and conclude cancer for the woman? So dumb.
You seem to have a bit of history downplaying racially charged events as being not about race.
You might want to get that habit checked out mate.
This is disappointing. I'm a white male physician and helped a passenger on a flight who passed out a few years back. The flight attendants did ask me for my medical license wallet card (which I carried) but after looking it over did not question me any further despite me being a training fellow at the time (so not a "head physician" as the article puts it) and dressing like a scumbag in a Call of Duty shirt and comfy windpants.
Yet it still didn't work of course. It's interesting how the stories are linked.
Fuck this.
Fuck both of them. I don't like to speak down on anyone because of their job, but you are a glorified waitress -- after someone has shown you the pass they spent several years of hark work and study earning you have no business coming to further degrade their efforts to help someone. You got no business doing that. What exactly were you going to do for the passenger beyond what a medical professional was going to do?
The priority in a situation like that is helping the person who needs help as best you can. After the doctor showed you the pass once and gave you an out, you should have asked if there was any way you could assist instead of going to get someone else who isn't a doctor either to help you profile.
Yea, I thought it is a normal practice to ask whether someone is a medical professional due to liability related issues. And then I read on.... and, "Oh wtf".
Yeah a similar story definitely happened in the last few years
It's like a retail worker trying to handle an issue until they go talk to their supervisor. Then the supervisor comes and starts asking the same questions because they know what they're doing. You have the same structure on a flight crew. The probing questions about being a head doctor and if that's her license make it clear these fools can't see a black woman as a doctor.
1. Delta policy doesn't require them to verify if she's a doctor in the first place.
2. Even once she gave the license, they came back and kept grilling her.
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Is that how it works with flights? I don't believe there's the same protocol there. Seems like an assumption. Emergency situations on a flight compared to retail seems like a poor comparison, especially since she was already administering care.
At first that was what I thought but read further. They came back and kept asking her like they had a hard time believing her.