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Mass Effect

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The N64 had very good third party support.
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UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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From Western third parties, I guess third party support was OK. They did get Tony Hawk Pro Skater, San Fransico Rush, WCW/NwO, Madden NFL, Quarterback Club NFL, Turok, WipeOut, NHL, FIFA, South Park, DOOM, NFL Blitz, Rayman, various Star Wars titles.

Japanese support was the issue.
 

andymcc

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Oct 25, 2017
26,406
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What big publishers were missing besides Square?

several and its missing ports from the companies it did have support from?

From Western third parties, I guess third party support was OK. They did get Tony Hawk Pro Skater, San Fransico Rush, WCW/NwO, Madden NFL, Quarterback Club NFL, Turok, WipeOut, NHL, FIFA, South Park, DOOM, NFL Blitz, Rayman, various Star Wars titles.

Japanese support was the issue.

And this. There's a reason why the Sega Saturn even has more than double the software than the N64. The Playstation has WAY more.
 

bigbaldwolf86

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Oct 27, 2017
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Give me Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie and Goldenenye. If those 3 make it then I'm in
 

fiendcode

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Oct 26, 2017
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N64 had pretty bad 3rd party support but there's still some good games from Hudson, Konami, Treasure, Enix, Quest, Atlus, Natsume, Aki, Ubisoft, Midway, Lucasarts and others.
 

fiendcode

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Oct 26, 2017
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Perhaps "awful" was an overstatement but relative to the other console-makers at the time, it's certainly not "good".
No it was bad overall. I'd say Sega's wasn't great either tbh, especially outside Japan. In gens 3-6 usually only one home console had great support (NES, SNES, PS1, PS2) and that didn't change until gen 7 when handhelds took over in Japan and Xbox hit it big in the west.
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
8,111
Yes it did. People who think otherwise tend to be Japanese game fans who looked at.a library dominated by British and American games and didn't see anything that appealed to them.

The N64 is a western-oriented system -- none of Nintendo's "dream team" groups were Japanese -- with an exclusive Doom game, an exclusive Quake, and an exclusive Duke Nukem. It has an actually good Rainbow 6 port. EA threw their weight behind it with an array of sports games and one one of the best licensed games, TWINE. The system recieved both Starcraft and Command and Conquer. It recieved extremely strong support from Lucasarts. Disney. Activision. It had two games from DMA Design. Ubisoft were a strong supporter, with games like Rayman 2, Tonic Trouble, and of course Rocket: Robot on Wheels by Sucker Punch. Plus of course you ha Acclaim. And Midway. 3DO also released a heap of games.

It even got a Wipeout game.
 

MP!

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Oct 30, 2017
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Yes, on a device that costs $199, and doesn't come with any games, and on an emulator that they didn't make so they didn't have to spend a single dime of development on, and didn't have to assure any sort of QA for either. If Nintendo made a device with similar hardware *and* had to create software to run GC games *and* included a variety of GameCube games on *and* paid a QA team to make sure all the games work flawlessly, you can bet your ass they'd need to sell that thing way above $199 to expect any sort of Nintendo-worthwhile profits.

I mean the hardware in the NES/SNES Classic musn't cost Nintendo much more than $20 to produce. Add some development and QA, and we can assume that Nintendo makes a good $50-60 of profit from each machine sold. They wouldn't get anywhere near that profit margin with something like a GameCube Classic in this day and age unless they sold the thing for $300. And no one would buy one. This isn't like a Switch where Nintendo can sell at minimal profit because they expect to recoup that hit by selling games and accessories. There's nothing else to buy once you buy a Classic console so they have to make substantial profit on it.
I'm assuming for the future... I don't think it's feasible right now. But if they have extra X1 chips left over from switch they could do it later on..
 

Conor419

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Nov 26, 2017
2,320
London
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Majora's Mask
3. Super Mario 64
4. Waverace
5. Pilotwings
6. 1080
7. Excitebike 64
8. Goldeneye
9. Perfect Dark
10. Banjo Kazooie
11. Banjo Tooie
12. Conker's Bad Fur Day
13. Jet Force Gemini
14. Diddy Kong Racing
15. Blast Corps
16. Paper Mario 64
17. Turok
18. Turok 2
19. Pokemon Stadium 2
20. Lylat Wars
21. F-Zero X

If I had to choose; though the system would be visibly lost without Rareware
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
8,111
several and its missing ports from the companies it did have support from?
The same can be said of the Nintendo Switch or even the Wii. Some of the biggest games each year don't get switch releases. But that doesn't mean the Switch has poor third party support from the big western publishers. As with the N64, the Switch is supported by those publishers.
 
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They should get that EA James Bond game that had the blue cartridge. It was actually really good (at the time).

And Buck Bumble.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Western third-parties were much better on PC at the time, and Japanese third-parties saved most of their best stuff for Playstation and Saturn. I don't think N64 third-party support was bad but I didn't find many stellar games for it being a multi-format owner. First-party games ruled the N64 for me.
 

Grunty

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Oct 28, 2017
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They should get that EA James Bond game that had the blue cartridge. It was actually really good (at the time).

And Buck Bumble.

Aside from Everythjng or Nothing, The World is Not Enough on N64 was the closest Bond game to Goldeneye, for the campaign anyway. They replicated Rare's mission structure where the higher the difficulty led to more objectives to complete. Unfortunate, they discontinued this structure I believe in all of the Bond games that followed.
 

DonMigs85

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Oct 28, 2017
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N64 was the best system at the time for platformers and maybe arcade racers as well. It wasn't bad for sports either with EA, Acclaim and Midway on board. It just sucked for RPGs, sim racers and fighting games.
 

Radd Redd

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Mario Party 1-3
OOT Majora's Mask
Smash Brothers
GoldenEye
Perfect Dark
Conkers Bad Fur Day
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
WcW vs NWO
Goemon 64
Legacy of Darkness
Castlevania 64
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Twoie
Mario 64
Wave Race
Kirby 64
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Snap
Rayman Legends
DK64

I want most of these if it happens.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,553
No way we get Mario Party 1. Mario Party 2 and/or 3 would be good hopes though. I don't think we will ever get the original Mario Party on these things because of the analog stick rotating blister fiasco.
 

harz-marz

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Oct 28, 2017
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Mario Party 1-3
OOT Majora's Mask
Smash Brothers
GoldenEye
Perfect Dark
Conkers Bad Fur Day
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
WcW vs NWO
Goemon 64
Legacy of Darkness
Castlevania 64
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Twoie
Mario 64
Wave Race
Kirby 64
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Snap
Rayman Legends
DK64

I want most of these if it happens.
Great list! Surely you mean Rayman 2?
 
Jan 4, 2018
8,761
Turok Dinosaur Hunter (85 MC)
Turok 2 Seeds of Evil (86)
Turok 3 Shadow Oblivion (77)
Turok Rage Wars
International Superstar Soccer 98 (91)
Rayman 2 (90)
Quake 64
Resident Evil 2 (89)
Star Wars Rogue Squadron (85)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (84)
Wipeout 64 (84)
Star Wars Episode 1 Battle for Naboo (84)
San Francisco Rush 2049 (86)
Duke Nukem 64
Command & Conquer 64
Mission Impossible
Cruis'n World
Mortal Kombat (76 GameRankings)
Doom 64
BattleTanx: Global Assault (76 GameRankings)
Spider-man
Star Wars Shadow of the Empire
Goemon's Great Adventure (81 GameRankings)
Ridger Racer 64 (82)
Starcraft 64 (80)
Harvet Moon 64 (78)
Ogre Battle 64 (82)
Castlevania (78)
World Driver Championship
Extreme-G (82)
007 : The World Is Not Enough (81)
Sin and Punishment (86 GameRankings)
Beetle Adventure Racing (90)
Tetrisphere (86 GameRankings)
Rocket : Robot on Wheels (86 GameRankings)
Star Wars Episode 1 : Racer

It's totally wrong to say N64 third-party was bad.

Anyway, games were so expensive that buying Nintendo (1st-party) and Rare (2nd-party) games was waaaaaay enough for the average player. Especially when there were so many multiplayer modes in these games.
 

andymcc

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26,406
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N64 was the best system at the time for platformers and maybe arcade racers as well. It wasn't bad for sports either with EA, Acclaim and Midway on board. It just sucked for RPGs, sim racers and fighting games.

Sort of sucked for 2D platformers outside of Mischief Makers and the second Goemon game tho. Also sucked for shmups/STGs (which the PSOne and Saturn had in spades).
Yes it did. People who think otherwise tend to be Japanese game fans who looked at.a library dominated by British and American games and didn't see anything that appealed to them.

The N64 is a western-oriented system -- none of Nintendo's "dream team" groups were Japanese -- with an exclusive Doom game, an exclusive Quake, and an exclusive Duke Nukem. It has an actually good Rainbow 6 port. EA threw their weight behind it with an array of sports games and one one of the best licensed games, TWINE. The system recieved both Starcraft and Command and Conquer. It recieved extremely strong support from Lucasarts. Disney. Activision. It had two games from DMA Design. Ubisoft were a strong supporter, with games like Rayman 2, Tonic Trouble, and of course Rocket: Robot on Wheels by Sucker Punch. Plus of course you ha Acclaim. And Midway. 3DO also released a heap of games.

It even got a Wipeout game.

I really don't want to get into list wars and there is no denying the system had good Western support, especially for Nintendo, but it pretty much is the polar opposite of what one would have expected for a Nintendo console coming after the amazing Japanese support from NES & SNES.
 

PIMPBYBLUD

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Oct 27, 2017
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1. Ocarina of Time
2. Majora's Mask
3. Super Mario 64
4. Waverace
5. Pilotwings
6. 1080
7. Excitebike 64
8. Goldeneye
9. Perfect Dark
10. Banjo Kazooie
11. Banjo Tooie
12. Conker's Bad Fur Day
13. Jet Force Gemini
14. Diddy Kong Racing
15. Blast Corps
16. Paper Mario 64
17. Turok
18. Turok 2
19. Pokemon Stadium 2
20. Lylat Wars
21. F-Zero X

If I had to choose; though the system would be visibly lost without Rareware

This is a great list. I'm there for Pilotwings and Star Fox alone.
 

AtomicShroom

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Oct 28, 2017
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Why do you people keep listing licensed games that have even less than 0% chances of being on there?
 

Chronus

Member
Nov 2, 2017
466
Turok Dinosaur Hunter (85 MC)
Turok 2 Seeds of Evil (86)
Turok 3 Shadow Oblivion (77)
Turok Rage Wars
International Superstar Soccer 98 (91)
Rayman 2 (90)
Quake 64
Resident Evil 2 (89)
Star Wars Rogue Squadron (85)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (84)
Wipeout 64 (84)
Star Wars Episode 1 Battle for Naboo (84)
San Francisco Rush 2049 (86)
Duke Nukem 64
Command & Conquer 64
Mission Impossible
Cruis'n World
Mortal Kombat (76 GameRankings)
Doom 64
BattleTanx: Global Assault (76 GameRankings)
Spider-man
Star Wars Shadow of the Empire
Goemon's Great Adventure (81 GameRankings)
Ridger Racer 64 (82)
Starcraft 64 (80)
Harvet Moon 64 (78)
Ogre Battle 64 (82)
Castlevania (78)
World Driver Championship
Extreme-G (82)
007 : The World Is Not Enough (81)
Sin and Punishment (86 GameRankings)
Beetle Adventure Racing (90)
Tetrisphere (86 GameRankings)
Rocket : Robot on Wheels (86 GameRankings)
Star Wars Episode 1 : Racer

It's totally wrong to say N64 third-party was bad.

Anyway, games were so expensive that buying Nintendo (1st-party) and Rare (2nd-party) games was waaaaaay enough for the average player. Especially when there were so many multiplayer modes in these games.
There was also a Quake 2 version with completely different maps from all the other ones (and some extra items).
 

MrPressStart

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Oct 27, 2017
441
Does anybody remember Beetle Adventure Racing? I loved that game. I hope we can mod that bad boy... please oh please.....
if I can get 50-60 games I would be satisfied.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm a bit tired of this tbh. While these new retro machine releases from Sony and Nintendo are nice I would also like to and actually prefer to have the option to play them on my existing systems than to keep buying new hardware (but I guess that's what they want).
 

Xero grimlock

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Dec 1, 2017
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The selling part

While I have fond memories of it I somehow thought a psx or Dreamcast would sell a bit better at a retro gaming store
memories of playing multiplayer with friends, or it was their first console. Thats why. Also the n64 library is much better in hindsight then it was living through the horrific droughts. Particularly as someone who had a part time job and bought a lot of my own games the drought was very apparent. I mean the n64 missed the peak of multiple genres during that era, with the peak of fighting games, stealth, survival horror, and jrpgs. It had a handful, but largely missed these the peak period of these genres.
 

MrPressStart

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Oct 27, 2017
441
I'm a bit tired of this tbh. While these new retro machine releases from Sony and Nintendo are nice I would also like to and actually prefer to have the option to play them on my existing systems than to keep buying new hardware (but I guess that's what they want).


I hear ya. The good thing about the ones so far is the ability to mod and have all your games on that console. It's like a bunch of actual mini replicas... but you need to mod to get all the games you gave a fuck about.
 

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The N64 had very good third party support.
What! No it didn't what are you tal-

Yes it did. People who think otherwise tend to be Japanese game fans who looked at.a library dominated by British and American games and didn't see anything that appealed to them.

The N64 is a western-oriented system -- none of Nintendo's "dream team" groups were Japanese -- with an exclusive Doom game, an exclusive Quake, and an exclusive Duke Nukem. It has an actually good Rainbow 6 port. EA threw their weight behind it with an array of sports games and one one of the best licensed games, TWINE. The system recieved both Starcraft and Command and Conquer. It recieved extremely strong support from Lucasarts. Disney. Activision. It had two games from DMA Design. Ubisoft were a strong supporter, with games like Rayman 2, Tonic Trouble, and of course Rocket: Robot on Wheels by Sucker Punch. Plus of course you ha Acclaim. And Midway. 3DO also released a heap of games.

It even got a Wipeout game.
Ok, you actually make a convincing argument. The PS1 was still better all around, but it did get a lot of really unique western games some, if not most are better than the PS1.

Doom 64 Hype!!!
 

FUNKNOWN iXi

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Oct 25, 2017
9,676
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Majora's Mask
3. Super Mario 64
4. Waverace
5. Pilotwings
6. 1080
7. Excitebike 64
8. Goldeneye
9. Perfect Dark
10. Banjo Kazooie
11. Banjo Tooie
12. Conker's Bad Fur Day
13. Jet Force Gemini
14. Diddy Kong Racing
15. Blast Corps
16. Paper Mario 64
17. Turok
18. Turok 2
19. Pokemon Stadium 2
20. Lylat Wars
21. F-Zero X

If I had to choose; though the system would be visibly lost without Rareware
Visibly lost? Conor bud.... You didn't even mention Mario Party or Star Fox. Use your damn head.
 

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Gaming Intel's Smash Bros info was inaccurate, and their N64 info came from the same source.

Therefore, we've decided to lock this thread.
 
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