I don't like it, therefore nobody else should. I can tell you how to spend your money more wisely.
That's what it boils down to.
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ONMSFT: Microsoft has a hit on its hands with Xbox Game Pass, and analysts are starting to notice
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I don't like it, therefore nobody else should. I can tell you how to spend your money more wisely.
That's what it boils down to.
yes, thematically different but I seem them in quality just the same. God of War, Spiderman, Gravity Rush, Until Dawn, Last of Us are on the same level as Odyssey, Zelda BOTW and Mario vs Rabbids for me. I see them all as excellent games
I was about to delete before I was quoted. Embarrassed I even responded. It's not even a semi-reasonable argument.
You really should be asking "would love to see how it translates to revenue when the studios they have aquired start releease exclusives thats being promised"
Yeah, ridiculous statement. MSOffice went sub and it still sold before the sub.
Because that business model is on its way out and hardware sales wont carry as much weight moving forward. Its a cloud based world with AI and all that after all.
That has yet to be proven, as switch is on course in selling as many as PS4 has this gen if not more. The real test of this model being on it's way out will be start of next gen interms of early adoption rate. If that is super low then I guess we have our answer, but if it's similar to PS4 with 1 million sales in 24 hours then I'm going to say, this old model isn't going anywhere. And currently Sony and Nintedo's sales show opposite of what the industry insiders are saying. Just like how consoles were dead supposedly years ago.
It's an analytical and observation piece. It's ok to actually try using your neurons for several minutes. It is simply pointing out that MS is pushing forward with a concept that was panned. Now that they are doing it differently it's time to rethink if this new idea is worthwhile or not.
They were saying this towards the end of last gen leading in to this gen. Then PS4 and Switch set the world on fire.
I've been saying it in the MS first party thread, if Scarlett launches with Halo Infinite, Forza and Killer Instinct amongst a deluge of other exlusives on Game Pass, Microsoft could run away with the lead early.
I note that NetFlix has started releasing movies to the theater, before adding them to their streaming catalogue. I wonder if that's the future for GamePass as well?
A big 3rd party game would be huge as well, if they're willing to make that investment.
With all due respect, I do not think you understand current trends in media consumption.
I would suggest you take a look at how many companies have adopted subscription models for their products. Look at Adobe and their Creative Cloud service. The subscription model has proven so lucrative that you can't even buy some Adobe products anymore; you have to get them through a Creative Cloud subscription now. At the same time it has put applications like PhotoShop in the hands of people who could not afford the astronomically high costs for a license.
Or the WWE. Their Pay per View events were quite expensive but once they rolled out a $10 a month subscription service their revenues skyrocketed.
CBS has put their latest Star Trek show and their other current programming on a subscription service.. DC has just launched a new subscription service. Disney is preparing their own subscription service. Hell, I even have two different subscriptions for movie theaters. To say nothing of the fact that Microsoft had already been experimenting with subscription models with Office 365. Even Sony and Nintendo have their own gaming subscription services though neither company is going as far with them as Microsoft is with Game Pass (at least not currently). Are you going to claim that all of these companies are experiencing lukewarm sales?
Something like Game Pass is only a boon to gamers and developers. It means that games do not have to make the bulk of their income during their first three months on the market anymore. It puts more games in the hands of players at an extremely affordable cost. Whether you understand it or not, these are good things for our pastime.
Isn't that because they are trying to get recognized by the Oscars or something stupid?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/business/netflix-theater-streaming-release.html
Game Pass has been a huge eye-opener for me. Forza Horizon 4 being a part of it was great since I could play it day one w/ no additional cost, but the discount offered on the ultimate edition content meant I paid extra anyway. I both felt like I got a great value while experiencing the newest and best on the console. No streaming required either. I love it.
Yes i did occur to me when writing the post that sony has PSnow, but it doesent have there exclusives day and date, is double the price of gamepass. So I think sony will make psnow more like gamepass or revamp and rename a service that is like gamepass and Xcloud combined.
My free month of Games Pass ends of Sunday and I won't be subscribing. I got a lot of good hours out of FH4 and then OnRush, but it's not worth $10 a month to me when I have other games to play already.
Probably not out of the question.
There's every chance of that.
Game Pass is a world wide service. Marketing a competitively priced box with packed in Game Pass subscription for a couple of months is a compelling package anywhere in the world.
No, there's zero chance, and you would have to hopelessly ignorant about the state of the Xbox brand in Asia and Europe to think otherwise.
Asia, I grant you, but are we really still playing this game of pretending Xbox barely has a presence in Europe? It's such a bullshit claim.
Consumers go where the wind blows strongest. Game Pass is a game changer. All it'll come down to is how aggressive and successful Microsoft's marketing campaign will be.
If the choice is between two similar boxes at similar price points, but one comes with a service that will grant immediate access to all the first party games launching with it - that's going to be a no brainer for a whole lot of people.
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Microsoft should do what EA of all people are doing with their game releases; the best version of the game available to subscribers. I ended purchasing the ultimate edition of FH4 (even though I have a game pass sub) because when I did there was no confirmation as to how ultimate edition add ons were going to be sold. Funny enough, after the charge for the game went through (I preordered in June and the charge happened on Sept 19th), Microsoft finally released info on that subject.
I guess you don't live in Europe? Nintendo, Sony and PC are dominant in mainland Europe. The charts speak for themselves.
But humor me and show me evidence proving otherwise.
I live in Europe and have lived in Europe my entire life.
Last gen, 360 outsold PS3 in the UK and it had a significant presence in Europe in general.
Sales figures showed Xbox making a huge leap from the relatively paltry original sales that was dwarfed by the PS2 - which afforded Sony a whole lot equity and consumer trust despite the BS decisions at launch.
Had Microsoft not fucked up with the XB1 early, who knows what the market share would like right now?
Consumer electronics are about marketing and value, nothing else. Quit pretending like Xbox is some unknown quantity outside the US, it's obnoxious.
I'm not claiming it's Japan situation here, but Xbox has a very minor presence in mainland Europe compared to Sony, Nintendo and PC. UK is Microsofts strongest market in Europe.
I would rather pay full price for the handful of games I want to play rather than shell out $X a month to half a dozen providers for a selection of games that may or may not interest me. I fear though that there will come a point where there is no choice and all games are provided through subscription. Worse yet they could also be streaming them all.
Minor is vastly overstating the difference and you're ignoring important factors.
Xbox was trending positively, very much so considering the 360 was just their second console and sold far outside of the US than the original did.
It was trending forward. 360 was the default lead platform for games, it was the default cover in adverts, Halo was a worldwide phenomenon, Gears, Forza and Fable were hugely successful and known world wide - the Xbox brand was trending forward.
I'm not with it on this narrow thinking that Europe is unwinnable Sonyland. That's a complete myth.
But I suppose we'll see in a short few years. Assuming Microsoft doesn't completely fuck up again.
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It will take Microsoft many years before they can produce exclusives that have the same impact in Europe than Uncharted, God of War or Spiderman.
Of course I do agree with you that it is possible. But don't underestimate Sony and Nintendo, they are still growing and evolving as well.
What I'd like to know why do you think MS not fucking up will take the lead from Sony exactly? Are you expecting Sony to fuck up next gen? Last gen with a crippled Sony it was a tie, there is really nothing pointing out that MS can compete with Sony WW.
Got my 1-year for $64 during one of this year's eBay sales, which made it a no-brainer for me.
Microsoft first party were doing better than those games gen, from what I remember.
All it'll take, in my view, is a compelling package and marketing campaign.
Consumers are fickle like that.
But we'll see.
Sony could do everything right and Microsoft could still run away with it early next gen if Sony doesn't offer a matching service for Game Pass, which will be a no brainer for many families, young people and adults with limited disposable income.
Why get a PS5 at launch and pay $60 a pop for first party games when you can get an Xbox Scarlett that costs the same, will probably be just as powerful if not more so, and comes with a cheap service that will instantly allow you to download all exclusive launch titles without paying another dime.
It's about value and marketing. Right now, way I see it, Microsoft will have Sony soundly beat in value, unless significant changes are made to PS Now, and marketing - well, Microsoft are actually pretty good at that when they're not trying to screw over consumers.
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Sony wasn't all that 'crippled' last gen. The only mistake they made was with the overengineered hardware and resulting launch price, but at least it was somewhat justified with the additional power and Blu-ray player, whereas XBO's really wasn't justified with a significantly less powerful console and a bundled accessory nobody wanted.
Outside of the launch price - which was later resolved by removing BC and then the Slim - they weren't crippled at all. Sony had a strong and diverse first party output last gen from God of War 3 to Uncharted trilogy to Resistance trilogy etc.
And meanwhile on the other side, Microsoft had to deal with RROD - the biggest console hardware disaster of all time.
Xbox 360 didn't sell ~85m units last gen because Sony was somehow "crippled", or indeed doing anything wrong, it was because Microsoft had a compelling offering. Just as people aren't only buying Switches and PS4's just because XBO has been weak this gen, they're buying them for their respective offerings.
I think we have to get away from winners and losers, and realise that if Microsoft provides a compelling offering again next gen, as they did with the 360, then people will buy it and it can compete with Sony and Nintendo's offerings. That doesn't mean it has to outsell them, but it will inevitably do significantly better than the ~40-50m that XBO will end up selling by the end of the gen, which will be a success for Microsoft in its own right. Burger King isn't shutting down all its operations just because McDonald's sells more burgers.
I was pretty shocked by the selection and amount of great games at my disposal when I activated a 14day trial the other day. If I wasn't primarily a PC gamer or only played consoles I would totally be subscribed to it. Great stuff from MS.
They may do it reluctantly but they're not putting new games up on the service. It just doesn't make sense to let people sub for 1 month and burn through god of war and then stop subbing. They would have to change the style of games they make to what MS does which is endless GaaS, and you're not going to find many on here who want that. The other option is to copy MS and put none of their games on the service except for really old stuff, which is kind of what they're doing with ps now since they added the download option. But that method is kind of pointless for consumers.
So it's about GP then, why isn't this big change happening now exactly? You don't see people rushing to by Xbox over PlayStation, you are really overselling the service.
Are we really gonna call the $599 launch disaster not a big disadvantage now? There is no amount of justification that will make it right, that price point isn't something you should launch your console with, let alone a CPU that is a pain to work with for developers.
360 sold well because of multiple reasons and Sony fucking up is one of them, same for PS4.
MS really have to try hard to not outsell Xbox one, I don't think anyone is thinking they won't.
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I can see Game Pass evolve to a Similar situation to Office 365 and many other MS services.
In this case Game Pass will allow consumers to get free content updates on a consistent basis whereas those that don't subscribe will have to pay in the form of paid DLC.
In this case Game Pass will allow consumers to get free content updates on a consistent basis whereas those that don't subscribe will have to pay in the form of paid DLC.
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Because it launched late in the life of the current console generation, in large part due to circumstances subsequent to earlier blunders of this generation. It's far too late in the game for this generation.
The only win left in this generation for Microsoft was salvaging a dignified comeback from its wretched beginnings, and I think it's fair to say they've done that.
Next gen is a different story because Microsoft are gearing up on talent and acquisitions, and they're apparently not done yet. They are showing a clear commitment to investing in content to put on their service.
Everything they have done since Phil Spencer was given control, from backwards compatibility to XB1X to Game Pass, new studios and xCloud - all of it has been in preparation for next gen.
Consumers flatly rejecting their vision and Sony blowing them out of the water is probably the best thing that could have come out of the launch fiasco - for the entire industry.
$2 more per month? Nope. $15.95 for 1 game at a time, $24.99 (after taxes) for 2 games at a time.
Nope. Buy a 3 month gift certificate for 2 games out a time and send it to yourself. $36.50 for 3 months, or ~$12.16 a month. Been doing it for six years.
Game pass alone wont win it for MS or sony.
Its a combination of things that decide the fait of the market.
Companies with less morals can have advantages.
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Its a combination of things that decide the fait of the market.
- Exclusives
- Hardware power
- Price
- Services
- Marketing
Companies with less morals can have advantages.
Google : "dont be evil"
Most people already have their console of choice this gen. It's hard to own multiple consoles this gen because every console has a subscription to access online play now.
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Sony is way ahead in Europe, like always. You need to spend less time in the MS Studios OT echo chamber.
I haven't seen this level of delusion since 2013 when MS diehards could not accept that the Xbox was the less powerful console.
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Are people STILL trying to clutch at the trial subs argument? That went ages ago for the overwhelming majority of subs. People do not generally have the nous or inclination to game the system in the way some on Era might. They just pay.
This thread has devolved into whether or not Xbox overtakes Sony and it's showing a lack of understanding. It's not that important and it's not that straightforward once streaming is a core part of the business.
Thread is about Game Pass. Game Pass will not replace Sony or Nintendo. It won't even replace existing Xbox. It's a service that will eventually be accessible over devices you already own with a low barrier to entry and minimal commitment so you can easily justify getting in or out at any time. It compliments today's existing business model. Doesn't replace anything. It's a membership. Might be the perfect compliment to PlayStation for gamers who don't want to own multiple traditional consoles.
Thread is about Game Pass. Game Pass will not replace Sony or Nintendo. It won't even replace existing Xbox. It's a service that will eventually be accessible over devices you already own with a low barrier to entry and minimal commitment so you can easily justify getting in or out at any time. It compliments today's existing business model. Doesn't replace anything. It's a membership. Might be the perfect compliment to PlayStation for gamers who don't want to own multiple traditional consoles.
And wait a week with no game (while you still pay) because USPS is fucking awful.
Also good luck getting new games at launch with GF. Really poor comparison.
I've gotten literally every game within 2 days at launch in six years, and I've lived in Minnesota, Illinois, bumblefuck Kansas, and Georgia.
This is true of everyone I've talked to.
An "abyss"? That's quite the hyperbole, considering Sony and Nintendo have had very similar quality levels in their exclusives for this generation. Forza is the only of the Xbox "trifecta" that remains objectively best in class in terms of the balance of quality and quantity of the production. We'll see if the new Halo and Gears are positive refreshes for their respective series and for the genre when they arrive.