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Zen

The Wise Ones
Member
Nov 1, 2017
9,657
Is there no where between those two positions? How about...

"We are cautiously optimistic and we're confident in our offer to the people but there's a lot of campaigning to do and we aren't taking anything for granted."

?

And, more's the point, what's the benefit of her saying this? I don't get this "firing up Democrats" stuff. How does that work?
Clearly. Do you think a leader saying "we are cautiously optimistic" is going to get people excited to vote? Voting is next Tuesday, now is more critical a time than ever to let people know there's a good shot to take the House if people go out and vote. The message to vote is already present.
 

Eidan

Avenger
Oct 30, 2017
8,560
Thanks for jinxing us Nancy. I would have been ok with, "we have to win the house to preserve democracy."

But noooooooo, now we're going to get Nancy pelosi being cocky thrown in our face everything the Reich wins at something.

Some of you seem to live in outright fear of conservative talking points and bullshit.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,671
Yes I agree, posters on era explicitly complaining about capitalists want it gone completely, they are not social democrats they are socialists and they want no debate they are brick walls

Okay, now that you've clarified what you meant....I now understand who you were referring to as the "brick walls".

What Republicans are the most scared of is not socialism. They know socialism doesn't work at all and is essentially a dead-in-the-water political philosophy in terms of practical implementation.

What they are deathly afraid of is the highly-pragmatic, highly-egalitarian model of social democracy. There are models all over the world, most notably in Canada and the Scandinavian countries, where social democracy leads to increased social mobility, increased standard of living, increased political clout, etc. for a diverse populace comprising the middle and working classes. This is the end game they are so afraid of because they are authoritarian in nature and cannot stand actual democratic systems of governance where power and wealth are not hyper-concentrated.
 

sersteven

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,205
Philadelphia
Thread is a constant reminder that if a woman acts confident and bold she's going to far and being arrogant, but if that quality is in a man its brazen and great.
 

loquaciousJenny

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,457
Thread is a constant reminder that if a woman acts confident and bold she's going to far and being arrogant, but if that quality is in a man its brazen and great.
If Barrack made this statement do you think the same people would be saying he needs to shut up and go away or that "he doesn't speak for us anymore"

They don't even hide it but God forbid anybody call a spade a spade
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,053
Thread is a constant reminder that if a woman acts confident and bold she's going to far and being arrogant, but if that quality is in a man its brazen and great.

Every thread on Resetera about a woman politician is a raging dumpster fire. Pelosi, Warren, Hillary are all surefire ways to get insane hyperbole and wild misrepresentations of history.
 

Autodidact

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,729
The fuck. She doesn't even walk like a human being.
What is wrong with you?

This is disgustingly hateful. Why are you insulting an elderly woman's gait? You aren't even bedwetting about the election in a sexist fashion like the rest of this thread. You just went straight to the personal vitriol.

What kind of person are you to post something like this, to just look at her and dehumanize her? What motivates you to post something like this? You should be ashamed of yourself, and I hope you catch at least a temporary ban.
 

Mass Effect

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 31, 2017
16,763
Imagine the Democratic party being run by ERA members.

It would be doomed it seconds. This thread is proof of that.
 

mikeys_legendary

The Fallen
Sep 26, 2018
3,008
What is wrong with you?

This is disgustingly hateful. Why are you insulting an elderly woman's gait? You aren't even bedwetting about the election in a sexist fashion like the rest of this thread. You just went straight to the personal vitriol.

What kind of person are you to post something like this, to just look at her and dehumanize her? What motivates you to post something like this? You should be ashamed of yourself, and I hope you catch at least a temporary ban.
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Midnight Jon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,161
Ohio
We need to start pushing for a change to gerrymandering districts or replacing the gerrymandering system altogether.
incidentally, Pelosi just came out with a package of bills that included, among other things, restoring the VRA & banning gerrymandering and replacing it with independent commissions

The fuck. She doesn't even walk like a human being.
what the fuck is wrong with you?
 

corasaur

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,988
Thanks for jinxing us Nancy. I would have been ok with, "we have to win the house to preserve democracy."

But noooooooo, now we're going to get Nancy pelosi being cocky thrown in our face everything the Reich wins at something.

they already do that. qualified, reserved statements don't motivate people to vote. trying to get people hyped and hopeful is more useful than living in fear of giving the republican hate machine ammo because the republican hate machine will operate regardless of what she does.
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis
I have no idea how so many people in this thread can be so oblivious to their own biases.

It's exactly like what happened to Hillary, people jumped on her and accused her of being a conniving bitch over extremely innocuous statements or actions. Who all remembers the hot sauce incident, where people turned "Hillary likes hot sauce" (something that has been documented in the media going all the way back to 1994) into this big scandal that somehow proved she was dishonest and craven?

Like jesus christ. "She doesn't walk like a human being." How the fuck do you even live with yourself?
 

DrROBschiz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,477
No reason to worry about Pelosi shouting victory

Just go vote regardless

The paradigm hasn't shifted which is probably why she's not worried about doing this herself
 

Autodidact

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,729
They grow up under it because their parents are tuned into it 24/7.
I guess I was lucky growing up in a Democratic family, but I have never understood this bedwetting fear of Republicans. They're hateful, nasty people who can't govern - not supergeniuses or political savants. They won a fluke election by 70,000 votes two years ago; they don't have a mandate.

Strong White Daddy theory in action. They must always be powerful and in control; otherwise, how would they be in charge? Conversely, Democrats, a party of women and minorities, must always be verging on disaster because those people are whiny and incompetent and don't know how to win.
 

sgtnosboss

Member
Nov 9, 2017
4,786
Yay a platitude list. Here's mine:

Everything happens for A reason

Good things come to those who wait

Don't put all your eggs in one basket

when they work, they work. If I need to say more I am saying we don't need another "he will never win" thing like Trump. Don't call a victory before a victory, go vote instead.
 

b-dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
General Manager
Oct 25, 2017
32,721
Derogatory comments of a sexist nature are not ok regardless of who they are used against. Stop doing it now or we'll take action accordingly.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,700
Siloam Springs
they already do that. qualified, reserved statements don't motivate people to vote. trying to get people hyped and hopeful is more useful than living in fear of giving the republican hate machine ammo because the republican hate machine will operate regardless of what she does.

I like what Alicia Keyes is doing in Texas, "If we vote, we will win" I'll go with that. It's positive, it's not cocky, it's inclusive.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,700
Siloam Springs
You don't have to do anything but you're coming off very irrational. Pelosi is not your enemy either but you seem to want to make her one due to paranoia. I have not forgotten anything but your rationality for how that occurred seems misguided.


This started with me making a comment akin to "don't count your chickens before they hatch." I hate it when bold statements are made, it just a huge let down when our politicians don't come up even to what they promise. I think you can agree with me a little on this.
 

WetWaffle

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,601
This is truly incredible, I've never seen anything like this before. A political party leader is showing confidence and she's attacked by....her own base. What the fuck do you guys attacking her think a leader should do? Energize their base. Her confidence is doing just that. She's not saying "We got this, we don't even need to try all that hard".
 

Trickster

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,533
This is truly incredible, I've never seen anything like this before. A political party leader is showing confidence and she's attacked by....her own base. What the fuck do you guys attacking her think a leader should do? Energize their base. Her confidence is doing just that. She's not saying "We got this, we don't even need to try all that hard".

It's another case of democrats overthinking political strategy. Like, if Mitch Mcconnell said the same thing, not a single republican would think "oh gosh he shouldn't be saying that! it's gonna drive out the democrats to vote!"
 

Veggen

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Oct 25, 2017
1,246
This is truly incredible, I've never seen anything like this before. A political party leader is showing confidence and she's attacked by....her own base. What the fuck do you guys attacking her think a leader should do? Energize their base. Her confidence is doing just that. She's not saying "We got this, we don't even need to try all that hard".
Why do you consider those posters part of the base?
 

Glory

Alt-Account
Banned
Oct 9, 2018
187
This sort of cockiness lead to Democrats becoming complacent before. We don't need this nonsense now.
 

Ensorcell

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,441
This started with me making a comment akin to "don't count your chickens before they hatch." I hate it when bold statements are made, it just a huge let down when our politicians don't come up even to what they promise. I think you can agree with me a little on this.
Nope not even a little. If your proposition is that she shouldn't be saying positive stuff because it might rile the Right and/or it might tip the election one way or the other then I can't go along with that even a little bit. She did nothing wrong in this instance. It was just a statement meant to be upbeat. She's not allowed to be enthusiastic? Despite what you think, it's not some magic incantation that is going to awaken a bunch of dormant GOP voters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,276
This sort of cockiness lead to Democrats becoming complacent before. We don't need this nonsense now.

Do you have any thing you can cite historicaly to back this up? Could you point out a single wave election where no party leaders showed and confidence or positivity? How many of these things have you closely observed?
 

Glory

Alt-Account
Banned
Oct 9, 2018
187
Do you have any thing you can cite historicaly to back this up? Could you point out a single wave election where no party leaders showed and confidence or positivity? How many of these things have you closely observed?

Trump straight up said he wouldn't accept the results if he lost. Pelosi is box office poison like Clinton. Let the new blood take over. This kind of sentiment from Harris would have been much more meaningful.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,276
Trump straight up said he wouldn't accept the results if he lost. Pelosi is box office poison like Clinton. Let the new blood take over. This kind of sentiment from Harris would have been much more meaningful.

So nothing historical. I like Harris a lot, but no this wouldn't be better from her because she is not leadership. I would also ask why you are comparing Pelosi and Clinton, because they really only have one thing in common and I am not sure how it is germane. They have had pretty wildly different careers and accomplishments.
 

ThatWasAJoke

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,373
How ignorant do you have to be to think that the House Minority Leader would have anything to do with Senate matters like confirmations of federal judges?

Also I love that your complaint is that she's not loud mouthed enough, in a thread that is criticizing her for speaking with confidence about an outcome with a high probability of happening. This is classic institutional sexism. Rhetoric is just empty bluster. Pelosi actually gets results.
Except I said I support her comments on Colbert. But you wouldn't bother to actually read my pots would you. You guys just have your pre-programmed responses to everything, it's sad. Look at the state of the Dems and the US today, it fucking sucks. But you're happy with that because she gets """"results"""""", which is really reflected in the US right now, a really fantastic country. She is the leader of the party, and figurehead which along with Schumer is supposed to campaign for electoral victories, which are so few are far between the Dems. The policies she's implemented have been mediocre for the last decade, but that's never her fault of course as a previous poster pointed out.
You seriously think Pelosi is on the Right of the Dems? Are you out of your mind? Not only does she have a decades-long history , but she represents San Francisco. How on Earth would the representative of SF be one of the most conservative Democrats?
She doesn't support single-payer, the most important policy discussion within the party. She says the party will always be capitalist. Maybe she's on the right-wing because she IDEOLOGICALLY agrees with them, and not because of some weird analysis that she comes from a liberal city so she must be left-wing, which fails to explains guys like Cuomo, like Clinton etc.

I'm not arguing any further. I kept foraging into politics threads here and I must say I've observed a very odd ideology among the US liberals. They a) love punching left rather than right, b) are happy to excuse candidates unpopularity because they get "results", even when in instances like HRC that leads to them losing elections and causing billions to suffer and c) are always so happy to absolve their leaders of blame. Nothing is ever Pelosi's or Obama's fault, they a perfect people despite the state the country is in. You can't critique them because we "need to concentrate on the real enemy". That type of thinking limits any capacity for self-improvement and is a reason why the Democrats keep managing to lose elections despite the demographics and Republican craziness (obviously things like voter suppression are a problem too).

I just wish you all asked for a little more from your leaders, but I'm afraid it'll never happen.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,700
Siloam Springs
Nope not even a little. If your proposition is that she shouldn't be saying positive stuff because it might rile the Right and/or it might tip the election one way or the other then I can't go along with that even a little bit. She did nothing wrong in this instance. It was just a statement meant to be upbeat. She's not allowed to be enthusiastic? Despite what you think, it's not some magic incantation that is going to awaken a bunch of dormant GOP voters.

Yo, let it go, I never said she couldn't say anything, just that I don't like it. I don't control anyone but myself.

It is entirely plausible that Dems win the House but lose 1 or 2 Senate seats. This is a really, really tough Senate map, and they need to basically sweep the toss-ups.

I'm ready for us to come out and vote, getting tired of having to hold my breath until the right does something else detrimental.
 

Kitsunelaine

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,382
This is truly incredible, I've never seen anything like this before. A political party leader is showing confidence and she's attacked by....her own base. What the fuck do you guys attacking her think a leader should do? Energize their base. Her confidence is doing just that. She's not saying "We got this, we don't even need to try all that hard".

The people attacking her do not want the democratic base to have energy. They want to suck it all up and promote defeatism.