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Forkball

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Oct 25, 2017
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It doesn't seem like you can use Spirits online. So the point of training and collecting spirits is to... get more spirits.
 

TheFireman

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There's no reason to believe he won't be, as far as I can tell.

1) He doesn't have a stage
2) Pretend he is. That means there's four fighter packs you need to buy to get the season's pass worth. 4 x $6 = $24. The season pass is $25. Anyone who got Piranha for free would lose money buying the season pass.
 

VicGmz

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So with everyone saying Vergeben was righ all this time... Can anyone give us a summary of all the has said about Smash? Any word about Banjo being in or out? Thanks!
 

Marmoka

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I came here just for the Smash treehouse, and I find Yoshi's crafter world gameplay.

Looks pretty cool!
 

Hailinel

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...Uh, how's Papa Geno doing, by the way? Dude was a huge backer of the leak and threw around claims that a Microsoft source told him Banjo was in.
 

ItsKipz

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My disappointment has nothing to Do with Grinch i knew that was fake for a while

More to do with online sucking and the generic enemy
Genuine question - what's wrong with online? We're finally getting location (or possibly even ping) based matchmaking, and we can play training / offline modes while matching.
 

Crayolan

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This isn't me looking through rose-colored glasses or finding some kind of coping mechanism... but I really don't think the presence of someone as an AT (or ESPECIALLY as a Spirit) disqualifies them as a potential DLC character.

Why would they bother to make an AT for a character if they knew they were gonna have to remove it a few months later? Just seems like a waste of dev time. AT models also aren't as high quality as character models so it's not like they're doing some early work in advance in prep for the actual character or something.

Spirits though, yeah considering that a deconfirm is dumb. They're basically stickers, they're meaningless.
 

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...Uh, how's Papa Geno doing, by the way? Dude was a huge backer of the leak and threw around claims that a Microsoft source told him Banjo was in.
He seemed pretty disappointed when I popped into the stream for a sec, but he was taking it in stride. Oddly enough, he did end up having an accurate insider with the Spirits info.
 

Thatguy

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So let's talk about the fake because you never needed to be an insider to realize it was bullshit.

In the run up to the Direct, people kept saying "If this is a fake it's the best one ever!" No it wasn't. Numerous digital artists and graphic designers described it as an afternoon's work. People who can illustrate can make Smash fakes. People good at Photoshop can make Smash fakes. Even if it's not perfect, guess what, panning over it quickly in a blurry video for people to see what they want covers it up pretty well!

Then there was the "OH MY GOD THIS FIRM WORKS WITH BANDAI NAMCO" thing that I pointed out doesn't mean anything with regard to Smash Bros. and one of you called me dumb for pointing out. You can DM me the apology by the way. Bandai Namco DOESN'T DO MARKETING MATERIALS FOR NINTENDO PUBLISHED GAMES AND THIS WAS ALWAYS OBVIOUS. Anyone who cited this as evidence had no idea how any of this works and anyone who cited it and tried to act like an expert on it is a liar that should not be trusted.

Yes, a lack of Pokemon on the banner, even if you specifically didn't know about Incineroar, should have been a dealbreaker. The willingness to believe speculation that Sakurai had to create Banjo in six months and thus moved Incineroar to the backburner is naive and not at all how these things work. People wanted to believe it was like Sonic, which caused an eight month delay to Brawl, not "Oh no let's totally change our developer timeline."

The insiders who told you Isaac and Geno were locks? I specifically warned them not to do that. I told them the Smash fanbase was toxic and they were going to go after them, but it was still irresponsible of them to try. Unless you've seen the roster or have seriously vetted your sources, you shouldn't "confirm" anything, ever.

This is the last post I'll be making on the subject, if only because this week has been stressful for me with people coming at me about this stupid fucking thing. I hope the faker never exposes himself so everyone can just keep wondering and everyone gets disappointed again next time.
Tons of people were on team fake. Personally I thought it was fake because it was full of forum favorite deep cuts.
 

Tibarn

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While I certainly can't predict what will happen, I imagine Sakurai will eventually want to take a break and maybe make another game that isn't Smash. Sakurai has been working on Smash exclusively pretty much since he finished Kid Icarus Uprising in early 2012.
Yeah, on the other hand we know that Nintendo wants the Switch to be with us more time than the WiiU, and if the "first season" sells well, I can see them offering more content.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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My disappointment has nothing to Do with Grinch i knew that was fake for a while

More to do with online sucking and the generic enemy

Online lobby with spectator mode

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Spinluck

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And why am I not allowed to be disappointed exactly?

The game has a lot of characters. Yippie. All the ones I like except Snake are in Smash 4.

So why shouldn't I be disappointed that I don't care about any of these newcomers just because fucking Pichu is there?

Then play Smash 4 if you're just going to be reductive about this game's roster and gameplay changes. If characters you like are your priority for getting a new Smash, I'm sure you'll be fine sticking to that version. Unless of course... there are other reasons to buy a Smash game.
 

Xtortion

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Online matchmaking has me super worried

Having all of those search parameters complicated things immensely

I don't see why there aren't just discrete playlists for FFA items, 2v2 items, 2v2 no items and 1v1 no items with the appropriate stock count/time limit and stage pool for each
 

Hikari

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I think it does, especially since they made such a big deal out of her. Even with Kos-Mos in the base game, she wasn't treated with as much fanfare as Elma was as DLC.

And I don't know, I think Elma has a decent chance for DLC now because it just seems weird that they completely skipped Xenoblade X content for the most part. If Elma was most likely for base roster like you said and she didn't make the cut, she and XCX seem big enough that they would at the very least get an AT and some music tracks. Like they clearly look at the Wii U for content as Yuri from Fatal Frame V is an assist trophy. It's very suspect that they just passed over XCX like that which makes me feel like she is being considered.

That's fair enough. I think both are likely but my fear is that both are spirits in the final game and Sakurai didnt reveal every spirit yet. We'll have to see.
 

Village

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Why would they bother to make an AT for a character if they knew they were gonna have to remove it a few months later? Just seems like a waste of dev time. AT models also aren't as high quality as character models so it's not like they're doing some early work in advance in prep for the actual character or something.

Spirits though, yeah considering that a deconfirm is dumb. They're basically stickers, they're meaningless.

I feel like to get AT's as a character, there would have to be another ballot. And the demand would have to be so high, and no future smash development in sight and then yeah. Like if there's a smash bros in the next... I dunno like 5 or 6 years, nah. But if the switch lasts like mad long I can see him going " Alcuard is a thing now "
 

Strat

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I'm an insider now btw. I called the Isabelle/AC reveal. I said Skull Kid and Shadow were AT's. I said Ken was the only one getting out of the Grinch Leak. BASK IN MY GLORY!
 

Fosko

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The japanese version of the vocal theme is awesome.

It says Hikari a lot, Mythra confirmed :O
 

Carcosan Stag

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I'm of two minds. Being an icon doesn't deconfirm him, both Mewtwo and Lucas had Smash For trophies, but at the same time I'm worried as they showed his icon off if they were planning for his inclusion down the line.


Ah fair enough! I'll temper my expectations then. I was kind of excited when I realized he wasn't outed as an AT or Spirit outright. Oh well! I suppose we'll see over the next year. :)
 

solari

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Time for us DQ hopefuls to start looking to the DLC. Ken is great, I like Inciniroar a lot more than I was expecting to. Pirahana Plant was a bit of "Seriously...?" moment for me and I can't be excited about both a new Pokemon and a new Mario character being the game, but ah well. Still a bit disappointed with the newcomers this time outside of Richter, but we have DLC to look forward to still.

Spirits is very ??? to me. New Adventure Mode seems a bit generic but I guess it's a fighting game story mode so its par for the course. This direct didn't really increase or decrease my hype. Stayed where it's at, which was relatively low. At least I got my freakout reveal with Richter. Gonna be playing lots of him.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The only thing I really don't like is No Trophies. Roster is fine, DLC is expensive but I'm ok with it. Tons of content. World of Light looks interesting.

But No Trophies is a bummer. I would have been fine with just reusing the trophies from Smash 4 and other previous entries.
 

Big One

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait is Stealth saying Banjo and Geno are two of the 5 DLC characters or is he saying he knows those two ain't DLC characters?
 

jph139

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Everyone remember that the Ultimate selection screen has SIX open spots, not five.

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We all assumed the sixth slot would be a little DLC arrow, but if the remaining stages are all DLC, there's no real need for that. A stage for Piranha Plant makes sense.

I still dislike that it's left aligned and not centered, though.
 
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