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Oct 27, 2017
45,239
Seattle
Part of me loves how troll-y this direct was.

- Issac, Spring Man, and Shadow all deconfirmed for future characters all at once
- But Piranha Plant is in
- Also Rex might be deconfirmed for DLC if costumes count
- Same for Geno if stickers count since there's apparently a Geno sticker

Who would even be left as DLC?

Sora, Banjo...

I also saw shantae as a spirit, so she is out.

Maybe hollow knight?
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
21,227
Spring Man always screamed assist trophy to me. His AT moveset just proves my vision of how limited he would be.

I guess the 108 stages thing correlates with the current DLC plans.

So... anybody got a list of characters that are effectively "deconfirmed" based off of assist trophies, spirits, and Mii costumes? I saw Shantae as a spirit and was surprised she was even acknowledged. Also, Ray MKIII being a Mii costume was kind of disappointing, but at least Custom Robo wasn't forgotten. It even got a few Spirits.

By the way, does anyone else expect DLC to be all or mostly 3rd parties? Sora, Dante (if that DMC5 leaker is right), and Banjo-Kazooie seem like prime candidates.

Did the hoaxer reveal himself/herself? What have the insiders been saying?
 

V-Faction

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Oct 25, 2017
1,538
Why PP, you ask? Well, I'm guessing they want to incorporate Petey Piranha somehow, hence the Final Smash, but not enough to make him his own full-fledged fighter.

Or they're on crack, idunno.
 

Spinluck

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Oct 26, 2017
28,477
Chicago
You can tell who's actually into Smash for reasons other than dumb roster speculation based on who's mad about Piranha Plant as a fighter

Pretty much. It's funny because talk of the roster dies down after the game releases outside of the DLC, but when you are actually playing the game and having a blast. The madness of the roster speculation is such a distant memory.
 

Remapped88

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,049
USA
Gosh darn rumors but ehh, Incineroar model looks dope and both him and Ken looks great. Love melee type characters so I'll try them out and as for Piranha Plant, I was kinda bleh on him but he actually looks to have a fun moveset. I play most of Smash's weird roster like Duck Hunt Dog, ROB and Wii Fit Trainer so I'll probably like him too when I play him.
 

carlosrox

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,270
Vancouver BC
I have wanted a Mario enemy as a Smash fighter for a long time (woulda expected a Goomba first) so I'm very happy with a Pirahna Plant getting in.

It's DLC only if you don't get at launch, I think the title could be a little more accurate.
 

GreenMamba

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Oct 25, 2017
10,310
Just about the only interesting thing Incineroar is doing is his side special, the rest is pretty bog standard stuff that's been done before. Guy's even got a counter (that works slightly differently!).
 

HylianSeven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sora, Banjo...

I also saw shantae as a spirit, so she is out.

Maybe hollow knight?
I think characters being spirits means nothing as far as DLC. Characters that were trophies in Smash For were DLC in that game. The spirits are literally just the original artwork of a character. I don't see how that would stop them from being a fighter eventually.
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
105,877
Piranha Plant is simultaneously incredible and disappointing at the same time haha

That said, overall I lean more towards him looking fun af, will definitely give him a spin.

Also, I knew Rex/Pyra wasn't getting in this :3
 

lovecatt

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Nov 12, 2017
2,427
God I love everything about that damn plant.

The perfect wtf character that was missing in this entry.
 

Crazyorloco

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Dec 12, 2017
1,262
Love it. Somehow Nintendo throws in a surprise. Piranha plant is way out there - no one talked about that lol
 

Crow Pudding

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Nov 12, 2017
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There's still hope...
 

corasaur

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Oct 26, 2017
3,988
piranha plant is a perfect oddball addition omg.

was hoping for decidueye as the gen 7 poke tho.

the leak madness definitely needs to be a lesson to the smash community, though: there are people who enjoy making the fakes even more than we enjoy coked-up roster speculation. assume literally all leaks are fake until the game is out.
 

Starphanluke

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Nov 15, 2017
7,336
Piranha Plant might be one of my favorite newcomers ever, alongside Wii Fit Trainer. I fucking LOVE wtf characters.
 

Donizetty

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Oct 28, 2017
797
Mexico
I think the Rex's Costume is an indicator about Sakurai is doing something from Xenoblade 2. It happened with a lot of mii costumes from wii u/3ds turning into characters or AT
 

BassForever

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
29,939
CT
I think characters being spirits means nothing as far as DLC. Characters that were trophies in Smash For were DLC in that game. The spirits are literally just the original artwork of a character. I don't see how that would stop them from being a fighter eventually.

Yeah the only thing that should deconfirm a dlc character is them being an assist trophy so isaac, spring man, shadow, etc are all dead.
 

GreenMamba

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Oct 25, 2017
10,310
Spring Man and Rex btfo by the way. Hopefully DLC is as interesting as the rest of the non-echo roster outside of Incineroar were.
 

game-biz

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Oct 25, 2017
4,715
Piranha Plant seems like a lame joke. But I'll wait for impressions. I would have taken any character besides that freaking plant lol. Aw oh well, can't complain too much, we're getting 5 DLC characters and overall a fantastic roster.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,688
Piranha Plant looks fantastic. Good choice for newcomer.
Incineroar looks really fun too.
 

Opa-Pa

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
8,810
The good thing about piranha plant is that we'll never get a Smash announcement as disappointing as that ever again, so it sets a precedence.

But yeah it's pretty disappointing they left Incineroar and Ken for last, I like both a lot but they're fairly lowkey compared to stuff like Ridley, K. Rool and Simon/Richter. IMO they should have saved some of those to go out with a bang instead, but it is what it is.

Best announcement today was by far Rex/Pyra not getting in tho, for sure lmao.
 

Squid Bunny

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Jun 11, 2018
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I don't think Rex is out for the count yet, several fighters also had mii costumes in Smash 4.

Maybe Sakurai is less vague in the original Japanese VO
 

DrArchon

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Oct 25, 2017
15,485
I don't think Rex is out for the count yet, several fighters also had mii costumes in Smash 4.

Maybe Sakurai is less vague in the original Japanese VO
Yeah, but the Mii costumes didn't preclude them from getting in Smash Ultimate.

Where there any characters that went from Mii costume to DLC character in the same game?
 

NekoNeko

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
18,447
I must be the only person in the world who wanted the Piranha plant more than Banjo, Shadow, Geno combined.


Or even had him on his wishlist.
 

Medalion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,203
The Direct is getting thumbed down pretty badly because TeamReal wasn't validated... every Direct is a disappointment when people hype themselves up and create fake leaks, and if Nintendo doesn't deliver... it's Nintendo's fault


Nintendo can't win
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
21,227
I'm so disappointed they chose Guile over Chun-Li, the first lady of fighting games. Does all Guile do is turtle? C'mon, man...

Also, nice Zangief nod with the "Red Cyclone" quip.

Piranha Plant was legit a cute surprise. Ken and Incineroar are such a boring reveal to end on.

Is Incineroar popular? It feels like it gets an equal amount of hate and love. You can usually tell which Pokemon TPC push to be the nest Lucario but it never quite works. No Issac is super disappointing, but i got my boy Shulk last game so i should always be happy about that if nothing else. The roster is still huge and has plenty of great characters!
Piranha Plant legit made the direct better. I'm not even mad. (I don't really have a reason to be when all my most wanted chars entered in Sm4sh.) I feel bad for Golden Sun fans. They cut him as an assist trophy and brought him back as an assist trophy.

Part of me loves how troll-y this direct was.

- Issac, Spring Man, and Shadow all deconfirmed for future characters all at once
- But Piranha Plant is in
- Also Rex might be deconfirmed for DLC if costumes count
- Same for Geno if stickers count since there's apparently a Geno sticker

Who would even be left as DLC?
Sakurai said Xenoblade 2 started development after the roster was planned, and I assume that includes DLC since he showed Rex's costume right after the announcement. Where was Geno seen as a spirit?

OK

But that LABO Mii Fighter tho
That was my favorite costume shown. I like how the giant robot set was obscured by a giant Mii.
 

Peleo

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Nov 2, 2017
2,656
I knew Sakurai would nail Incineroar moveset - he looks absolutely amazing. After Simon it seems to be so far the most fun newcomer.

Piranha Plant is the biggest WTF character in the franchise so far. Even G&W, Wii Fit Trainer and R.O.B made sense looking in hindsight. There are probably at least 10 characters from the Mario Franchise which could be seen as more deserving than Piranha Plant - the fact he was chosen is incredible.

Not so happy with ARMS though - not only does the franchise tick all the boxes (Character design, music, Moveset potential, stages) I feel their absence from Smash might hinder the future the franchise - we all know how Smash plays a role in increasing character popularity.
 

Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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They really bring Incineroar to life, his facial expressions and moves are so bombastic and fun looking, really impressive to me.
 

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Sakurai said Xenoblade 2 started development after the roster was planned, and I assume that includes DLC since he showed Rex's costume right after the announcement. Where was Geno seen as a spirit?
I don't think so, he made a point that DLC will be far off because they haven't started on it yet.