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shaneo632

Weekend Planner
Member
Oct 29, 2017
29,017
Wrexham, Wales
OK, SocialBlade is giving me 1200 subscribers for MMDust. That's about a monthly income of $3000 USD after Twitch takes their 50/50 cut, which adds up to a $36,000. I have no clue about this guy's streaming numbers but I imagine it wouldn't add much, so maybe $50,000 overall.

Isn't this guy making literally what an average person does?

I mean, I don't know anyone who was making $50k when they were 21 lmao. I'm 30 and most of my friends don't make that now.
 

Alucrid

Chicken Photographer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,438
OK, SocialBlade is giving me 1200 subscribers for MMDust. That's about a monthly income of $3000 USD after Twitch takes their 50/50 cut, which adds up to a $36,000. I have no clue about this guy's streaming numbers but I imagine it wouldn't add much, so maybe $50,000 overall.

Isn't this guy making literally what an average person does?

social blade doesn't have access to twitch subs. are you looking at his youtube?
 

itchi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,287
He averages 50 viewers, has 1 emote slot he does not have 1200 subs more likely 5.
 

antonz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,309
The shitty thing about it all is why give a guy like that stage time in the first place? There are so many great communities with great streamers who are genuinely nice people. Giving time to an asshole is so counterproductive on Twitchs side
 

Nerokis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,567
Somehow it feels refreshing and almost quaint to see an internet personality get backlash simply for being full of themselves and dickish. So much better than the usual.
 

Jobbs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,639
At 11k followers and 50ish average viewers this guy is incredibly small potatoes on the twitch scene. Like this is the range of someone who's either just starting out or someone who lacks the qualities that will enable them to ever break out.

This makes his attitude more baffling. He probably remembers and knows most of his repeat viewers by name. It's much more personal in that 50 viewer range.
 
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dennett316

Member
Nov 2, 2017
2,982
Blackpool, UK
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WarLox

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
574
Sounds like a relatable guy to me. I don't see the problem.

He's probably making more money than the average person, doing something people wish they could do.

My question is, why do we require people to be fake humble whenever they achieve any type of success?
 

capitalCORN

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,436
Sounds like a relatable guy to me. I don't see the problem.

He's probably making more money than the average person, doing something people wish they could do.

My question is, why do we require people to be fake humble whenever they achieve any type of success?
Goddamit, is this copy pasta?
 

Jobbs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,639
Sounds like a relatable guy to me. I don't see the problem.

He's probably making more money than the average person, doing something people wish they could do.

My question is, why do we require people to be fake humble whenever they achieve any type of success?

If you have 50-90 viewers (which is what a cursory lookup suggests he averages) you're not making more money than the average person.

You don't have to be fake humble. You don't have to be anything, but I would argue that lording yourself over others and considering them beneath you is a bad outlook to have regardless of your station in life
 

Sou Da

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,738
Why was he even on that panel, the other people there have 100k to 200k followers.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,055
I've never seen a streamer who averages 50 viewers be this delusional. Usually they're very humble and very engaged with the chat. The types to be hyped to have a hundred viewers on good night. This guy sounds like he averages 20k viewers a night.
 

TheCthultist

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,450
New York
All the best apologies start with some variation of "I'm not apologizing" or "I didn't really do anything wrong." Nice to see both consolidated into one sentence here. Very solid work...
 

WarLox

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
574
If you have 50-90 viewers (which is what a cursory lookup suggests he averages) you're not making more money than the average person.

You don't have to be fake humble. You don't have to be anything, but I would argue that lording yourself over others and considering them beneath you is a bad outlook to have regardless of your station in life

I dont follow the stream stars, I just assumed he was big since he was on the panel. I agree, but there have been so many threads here about how the average person behaves online, and how bad it is.
 

WarLox

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
574
I've never seen a streamer who averages 50 viewers be this delusional. Usually they're very humble and very engaged with the chat. The types to be hyped to have a hundred viewers on good night. This guy sounds like he averages 20k viewers a night.

Why do they have to be humble though?

Disclaimer: I've never watched a stream before outside of a few clips when someone does something stupid, so I dont know what the stream watching culture is like.
 

loquaciousJenny

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,457
Most streamers who truly hate their chats are sellouts who let their chat become garbage for views. The ones who only want money so they court bigots and spammers and children and have barely any moderation.
 

capitalCORN

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,436
Why do they have to be humble though?

Disclaimer: I've never watched a stream before outside of a few clips when someone does something stupid, so I dont know what the stream watching culture is like.
How about in a platform that has people dropping in to watch some people by the tens of thousands at any give time, maybe your sorry 50 average viewer ass should keep your mouth shut about that undeserved ego complex you've got going.
 

PSqueak

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,464
Youtubers/streamers continue to think they're real celebrities, that's the funniest part.

They think they can be like Mel Gibson or something, where they can be total douches and still have a career, they don't realize how thin the line between raking in money and becoming a pariah is for their line of work.
 

Volimar

volunteer forum janitor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,543
I mean, any normal Twitch streamer that looks at their chat probably low key thinks this. Twitch chat is cesspool.


Could I introduce you to Day9tv? Sean is super nice and thoughtful and the chat is very positive. Probably because it's usually in subs only mode when he streams but I swear his channel is like therapy for me when I'm in the dumps.
 

MadLaughter

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
13,101
There are ways to celebrate yourself without being a dick. You can say you worked hard to get where you are, but deliberately saying you're above a bunch of people only serves to make them feel bad. And that shit's selfish. Take four extra seconds to think of some phrasing that uplifts yourself without putting others down, otherwise you're lazy and it shows you don't give a fuck for the people around you.
 

WarLox

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
574
How about in a platform that has people dropping in to watch some people by the tens of thousands at any give time, maybe your sorry 50 average viewer ass should keep your mouth shut about that undeserved ego complex you've got going.

1 or 1 million, he can have an opinion. You can choose not to watch, and the world will keep spinning.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,030
I might just be a sucker, but reading his explanation kinda made some sense. He says he was attempting to explain that he has a bad ego (that he adopted in an effort to keep on track with self-discipline), so his viewers shouldn't try to "make a connection" with someone like that. Essentially admitting he's not a good influence or role model.

Dunno why you'd stream though, but I guess it makes money. At least he was attempting to be honest...? He could've just made some BS up like most likely do. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to interact with Twitch Chat if I had even a moderately sized channel.
 

Aselith

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,376
That ain't keeping it real tbqh. That's some next level self-delusion. lmao @ some fool from Twitch thinking he's better than anyone because people watch him play videogames!
 

WarLox

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
574
There are ways to celebrate yourself without being a dick. You can say you worked hard to get where you are, but deliberately saying you're above a bunch of people only serves to make them feel bad. And that shit's selfish. Take four extra seconds to think of some phrasing that uplifts yourself without putting others down, otherwise you're lazy and it shows you don't give a fuck for the people around you.

From the outside looking in, I always thought it was just a form of entertainment and that people were "in character" when they were streaming.
 

Seductivpancakes

user requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,790
Brooklyn
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/9rv19r/this_streamer_is_better_than_you/


http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn21t

Addressing my actions from Twitchcon
I wanna start with what I said was stupid and not an accurate representation of who I am. I completely understand why people feel the way they do about me since what I said was trash. This was my first time speaking publicly in front of a live audience and I was not prepared. Although I am a small streamer, my actions still reflect not only myself but the communities I belong to.

For those unaware, during Twitchcon I made some dumb remarks on a panel I was a part of and received a tremendous amount of backlash for it. The resulting backlash I received was unlike anything I had experienced before so I wasn't entirely sure how to handle it or how to respond to it. I chose to ignore it for the weekend and then to address it later (now).

Here is (roughly since i mumbled and stuttered a lot) what I said on the panel:

"It's kind of like low-key like god complex kind of thing, I don't feel like many of my viewers should relate themselves to me… and this is like, kinda like, super weird...I do think of myself as better than...there's no good way to say this but I think of myself as above the average person so I don't feel like many people could relate to me."

Looking at these words afterward, I can see why they received the response they did. It was completely just a garbage thing to say and I don't think I could've chosen worse words

These words do not reflect my beliefs as a person or my views of streaming. It was my first real public speaking experience and I was extremely nervous. When I said "there's no good way to say this" I wasn't trying to brace the audience for a spicy take but trying to preface that I didn't feel I was going to be able to construct a good explanation of what I wanted to say--and I totally did not.

Let me be clear: I DO NOT believe that my life is any more valuable or important than the life of another. I DO NOT expect or feel entitled to anything from life to be given to me over another person.

The whole "I believe that I'm better than the average person" thing is a mindset that I've acquired as a result of my personal lack of self discipline and motivation. I struggled with this for years. It wasn't even until the last year that I had truly felt like I had conquered some of my insecurities. I did that by making myself believe that I was better. When it came to dieting, exercise, and my own personal obligations and responsibilities, I used the "I am better" mentality to push through. If I felt like skipping a workout or cheating on my diet, I would tell myself "The easy thing to do would be to skip (or cheat) but you're better than that, so you won't."

I felt like this mindset was very healthy for me and I feel like most people who are successful at what they do must believe this as well. I attribute the most growth I've had as a person to living by that mindset and I wanted to share with the audience that putting everything you have into what you do is the best way to feel satisfied. I wanted to express that having a mindset where you are complacent with being average or with producing content that you don't fully believe was made to the best of your abilities can kill passion and make you feel horrible.

What I was really saying was that I don't WANT my viewers to relate to me because I am so far from where I want to be.

I don't feel that when I stream that I portray the best parts of me, and the parts that I do display tend to be things I don't want my viewers to copy or to learn from. I complain a lot when speedrunning or playing multiplayer games. I am very sarcastic and can be very mean when talking to trolls or people I just don't get along with. I don't always think that the me I display on stream is a me that I want to be.

I received a message from one of my old wrestling coaches from high school saying that I looked just like this asshole from a video he saw from a gaming convention. It wasn't until then that I had realized just how far the consequences of my actions reached.

I hurt the reputation of Twitch, the speedrunning community at large, and gaming in general by being a complete jackass in front of millions. I am very sorry for not better preparing myself for the panel and for making a fool of the communities that I pride myself with being a part of.

As for the other things that people have said about me like that I don't care about or respect my viewers, I assure you that just isn't true. I recognize that a lot of what I choose to do now as a streamer is not what most (or anyone) would consider a "successful path." But I do not stream with the intent of making money or for becoming famous. I do it to be better. I stream because I enjoy it.

I'm truly sorry for what I said and I should've apologized sooner rather than try to meme the shit out of it on my stream afterward and doubling down on being a dickhead. All things considered, I had a great time at Twitchcon this year and I felt like the event was fantastic. I'm sorry for leaving a blemish upon a great event and the community.

If you do have additional questions or would like further clarification, please let me know. I am happy to talk with you.

TLDR

This past weekend I made a fool of myself and grossly misspoke during a panel I was apart of. What I said was absolutely garbage and I made a horrible example of the gaming and streaming communities. I'm sorry for not better preparing myself for the panel and for being a jackass with how I chose to respond to it prior to now.

The guy hosting the panel (dmbrandon) is known as a prick as well. I watch a lot of Twitch, they're not all this way, but the ones that are show their true colors eventually.

Friendly reminder that you've had a larger peak audience than this guy if you've ever raised your hand to ask a question in a college lecture hall

This reddit post is brutal.