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Rodeo Clown

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Phil already teased that they are working on something and it has been known for 2 years that Playground was making an RPG. It's coming in 2020 or 2021. My guess is 2020 as a next gen crossover title along with Halo Infinite. This is the studio that has cranked out 2 of the best racing games of all time in 4 years. I suspect the RPG will be a 3-4 year dev cycle and I think this game was pretty well in the works in 2017.
They didn't get the green light on this until late last year and they've had to build a studio basically from scratch for it. They still have many senior and lead openings for it, including Creative Director, which is Ralph's title on the Horizon team. You can check for yourself by looking at their careers page and clicking the project 2 button.

I understand there's a big demand for Fable to come back, but it's really far away. I just want people to temper their expectations. It's not gonna be at XO. It's not gonna be at next E3. You might see something in 2020, but I wouldn't expect a release date until like 2022.
 

Kiekura

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Dont get why people think sony will do that... they havent shown any big interest for consumer friendly features like BC so far.

C'mon. They have done lots of consumer friendly changes after Microsoft pushed them.

Crossplay? Had to do it. Too much bad PR

Gamepass? Had to start making something similar too because Microsoft did it and it is big succes.

And next gen it is going to be BC if they arent really arrogant. I think biggest reason PS4 didn't offer BC was because PS4 sells so good and PS3 was architecture mess
 

coolemur

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I wasn't sure before, but now I am with this ^^^ post. Reset needs to include a drug test to be a member of these here forums, here... Yup!
It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)
 
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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.

I think you are being too harsh saying Xbox has stood still, its become a fantastic platform for services & subscription services.

Remember Phil was responsible for Minecraft and that acquisition alone should let Nadella keep Phil, it is HUGE & a cash cow.

I do however understand a few points you make:

  • Which was the last MS Exclusive other than FH3/FH4 to have a 90+ Meta or 10 Million in Sales? Sony & Nintendo's going to have atleast 5 this gen. ( Sorry, not console warring)
  • They have lost a lot of ground in Europe which is even more concerning than Japan.
  • The slow decline of MSs most successful IPs like GEARS and HALO has been painful to watch.
  • The lack of Successful new IPs is still something that can be considered a criticism of Phil.

On the whole, I like Phil a lot, he is a gamer and he wants the best for Xbox. 2018 has been a big step in terms of Software, 2017 was for Hardware( One X is an amazing console). I predict a bright future for Xbox atleast in its strong holds. Europe is still going to be a challenge I think.
 
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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)

This doesn't help drive the conversation forward. Lets criticize while being civil.
 

coolemur

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I think you are being too harsh saying Xbox has stood still, its become a fantastic platform for services & subscription services.

Remember Phil was responsible for Minecraft and that acquisition alone should let Nadella keep Phil, it is HUGE & a cash cow.

I do however understand a few points you make:

  • Which was the last MS Exclusive other than FH3/FH4 to have a 90+ Meta or 10 Million in Sales? Sony & Nintendo's going to have atleast 5 this gen. ( Sorry, not console warring)
  • They have lost a lot of ground in Europe which is even more concerning than Japan.
  • The slow decline of MSs most successful IPs like GEARS and HALO has been painful to watch.
  • The lack of Successful new IPs is still something that can be considered a criticism of Phil.

On the whole, I like Phil a lot, he is a gamer and he wants the best for Xbox. 2018 has been a big step in terms of Software, 2017 was for Hardware( One X is an amazing console). I predict a bright future for Xbox atleast in its strong holds. Europe is still going to be a challenge I think.
This man gets it.
I was a diehard Gears 1 player when the game launched in 2006. MS was making jaw-dropping, groundbreaking games then, because once the 360 got the trifecta of Gears, Halo 3, and Mass Effect (and even Bioshock), the console and MS' gaming division seemed on top of the world. More still, it looked like they cared about the consumers that had purchased their hardware.

Now? Not so much.
 

Somnia

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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)

3-4 games? Ok ya now I'm done reading your posts.
 
Aug 26, 2018
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This man gets it.
I was a diehard Gears 1 player when the game launched in 2006. MS was making jaw-dropping, groundbreaking games then, because once the 360 got the trifecta of Gears, Halo 3, and Mass Effect (and even Bioshock), the console and MS' gaming division seemed on top of the world. More still, it looked like they cared about the consumers that had purchased their hardware.

Now? Not so much.

They still do, look at BC, FP Investments, Play anywhere, Xbox GP.

All are consumer friendly, so that is wrong I think.
 

Rami Seb

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I really wish for future X0 evens they focus solely on Microsoft 1st party and internal showings, this doesn't need to be a show for third party.
 
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Do you think if Sony tried to buy Playground Games, they would've chose them over Microsoft, just because of money? Money plays big role, but that isn't everything.





The thing is. Sony is already chancing PSnow to be more like gamepass. You pay monthly fee and you can download games or stream them. It is not on the level of gamepass and it isn't avaible everywhere, but they are not standing idle.

Besides Sony has other things to use against Microsoft when next generation comes. Easiest way to get people who bought PS4 to also buy PS5 is to offer them BC at launch. Play all your PS4 games on PS5 and just keep advertising that. Masses who bought PS4 will go and buy PS5.

Also masses have no freaking idea about how many or how skilled studios Microsoft have bought. They need to see those games. They have already seen great games on PS4 and now they are getting sequels to them on PS5 launch.

There is many things to consider when next gen launches and we are going to see tighter competion than this generation.

Most people have played or heard how good ninja theory and playground games games are, fh3 was one of the highest rated games last yr wasn't it ? Same with hellblade. Also people love enslaved ( and people who actually played DmC love it too)
 

gremlinz1982

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I'd disagree. Relationship and support services, tools, and expectations of the studio are all huge factors that can outweigh money, especially if the studio is owned privately.

Do you think if Sony tried to buy Playground Games, they would've chose them over Microsoft, just because of money? Money plays big role, but that isn't everything.
People overstate the meaning of a relationship when it comes to business transactions. At the end of the day, money is the only thing that matters because if it didn't, so many deals would have gone a different way.

BioWare would be owned by Microsoft and not EA, Bizarre too. Rare would have been bought off by Nintendo.

At the end of the day, all it ever comes down to is whether or not you strike a good balance with the people that matter in any development house.
 

Jawmuncher

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This man gets it.
I was a diehard Gears 1 player when the game launched in 2006. MS was making jaw-dropping, groundbreaking games then, because once the 360 got the trifecta of Gears, Halo 3, and Mass Effect (and even Bioshock), the console and MS' gaming division seemed on top of the world. More still, it looked like they cared about the consumers that had purchased their hardware.

Now? Not so much.

I get the conversation you're trying to have. But you gotta tone it down. You were already warned earlier.
 

Kiekura

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Most people have played or heard how good ninja theory and playground games games are, fh3 was one of the highest rated games last yr wasn't it ? Same with hellblade. Also people love enslaved ( and people who actually played DmC love it too)

If you go and ask masses who made Halo and who made Spider-Man or God of War, lots of them would say Sony and Microsoft. Not many of them would know studio behind them.

People often forget that we discussing here are the hardcore group
 

SuikerBrood

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After having a conversation with someone.... I am significantly lowering my expectations for X018

This really depends on the expectations you had tho. Like, I was expecting Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, FH4 and maybe 1 or 2 surprises. Regarding to first party that is.

It feels like people have been hyping this up. Even their last X0 mostly consisted of gameplay trailers for games revealed at E3.

If you go and ask masses who made Halo and who made Spider-Man or God of War, lots of them would say Sony and Microsoft. Not many of them would know studio behind them.

People often forget that we discussing here are the hardcore group

This. Besides the big 3, EA, Rockstar, Blizzard and Ubisoft most people don't know any gaming companies. This is why marketing deals work, they make it seem as if games are exclusive.
 
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Seeing how GTA V, Destiny 2, Witcher 3, Overwatch, PUBG, R6 Siege etc. have lived on and kicked ass for so long, I wish MS had 1 game that is like a constantly evolving AAA game that can be enjoyed for years ( Minecraft counts but something more).

Thats why I want MS to acquire Obsidian and for them to make an Open World 'Fallout' kinda RPG that can be enjoyed for years.

Anyone else wants something similar?
 

SpinierBlakeD

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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)
Why are you even here?
 

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Cyberpunk was basically a one more thing at E3.

Did you copy and paste that post from 2017? I'm not sure whether it's ignorance, denial, or just plain trolling.

Even though it wasn't an exclusive, Cyberpunk 2077 was absolutely a one more thing announcement this E3.

He was saying it was the end of the show and thanking people for watching, basically said bye then the stage got hacked, showed a terminal and played Cyberpunk trailer.

I was going to put in a disclaimer about Cyberpunk but it's not an MS game. Imagine if he ended the show them came back out to reveal a Banjo, Fable, Perfect Dark or the next big franchise.

I was only being playful anyway, this is after all just November's Inside Xbox that happens to take place during a Mexican FanFest, I don't think there's going to be anything crazy dropped during it.
 

B.C.

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I think you are being too harsh saying Xbox has stood still, its become a fantastic platform for services & subscription services.

Remember Phil was responsible for Minecraft and that acquisition alone should let Nadella keep Phil, it is HUGE & a cash cow.

I do however understand a few points you make:

  • Which was the last MS Exclusive other than FH3/FH4 to have a 90+ Meta or 10 Million in Sales? Sony & Nintendo's going to have atleast 5 this gen. ( Sorry, not console warring)
  • They have lost a lot of ground in Europe which is even more concerning than Japan.
  • The slow decline of MSs most successful IPs like GEARS and HALO has been painful to watch.
  • The lack of Successful new IPs is still something that can be considered a criticism of Phil.

On the whole, I like Phil a lot, he is a gamer and he wants the best for Xbox. 2018 has been a big step in terms of Software, 2017 was for Hardware( One X is an amazing console). I predict a bright future for Xbox atleast in its strong holds. Europe is still going to be a challenge I think.

Yeah, this comes off as stealth trolling at best. You can't neglect FH3 or 4 because it's convenient to make your point. You can't just completely ignore what Xbox brought to the table with GamePass and BC, These have helped literally define this generation and generations to come. Japan has pretty much been a ghost town for Xbox for....how long now? You act as if this is news. Let's not ignore how many Japan-centric games have to come Xbox lately, or the one's on the way. Europe is coming around these days, or have you not noticed?

People have been clamoring for MS to take more time on Halo and Gears. Now that they are, it's a problem? And both titles are still some of the most played online games, with strong communities. Halo 5 is 3 years old...it's still going strong. The competition can't say the same.
I'm just trying to understand here, fam. Help me out.

And no, you can't blame Phil for the lack of Ip's, especially now when he's making huge moves to increase first party content with studio acquisitions. If you ask me, I'm thinking some people can't see the forest for the trees. Microsoft are making juggernaut moves on the whole of the gaming industry, while also taking some big risks. Good times ahead to be sure.
 
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vorimenn

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As in you think it's coming 2021? They're setting out to make a AAA open world RPG and don't have a Director, Audio Designer, World Designer, Technical Director, many senior level positions staffed... It's four or five years off and it'll be a while before they have anything to show.
4-5 years, where we heard about this project for 1,5 year and for almost year we know what it would be (Fable).
 

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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)

What a horribly condescending post, shit should be bannable especially for a user with under 50 posts.
 

coolemur

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Yeah, this comes off as stealth trolling at best. You can't neglect FH3 or 4 because it's convenient to make your point. You can't just completely ignore what Xbox brought to the table with GamePass and BC, These have helped literally define this generation and generations to come. Japan has pretty much been a ghost town for Xbox for....how long now? You act as if this is news. Let's not ignore how many Japan-centric games have to come Xbox lately, or the one's on the way. Europe is coming around these days, or have you not noticed?

People have been clamoring for MS to take more time on Halo and Gears. Now that they are, it's a problem? And both titles are still some of the most played online games, with strong communities. Halo 5 is 3 years old...it's still going strong. The competition can't say the same.
I'm just trying to understand here, fam. Help me out.

And no, you can't blame Phil for the lack of Ip's, especially now when he's making huge moves to increase first party content with studio acquisitions. If you ask me, I'm thinking some people can't see the forest for the trees. Microsoft are making juggernaut moves on the whole of the gaming industry.
Absolutely correct - Ninja Theory, Playground, Obsidian, The Coalition, and 343 are all "Juggernaut" developers that will change the face of gaming next-generation...
 

Golding

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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)
Wtf is this shit?
 

SnatcherHunter

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This really depends on the expectations you had tho. Like, I was expecting Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, FH4 and maybe 1 or 2 surprises. Regarding to first party that is.

It feels like people have been hyping this up. Even their last X0 mostly consisted of gameplay trailers for games revealed at E3.



This. Besides the big 3, EA, Rockstar, Blizzard and Ubisoft most people don't know any gaming companies. This is why marketing deals work, they make it seem as if games are exclusive.


Not discrediting Rand, but I have a feeling MS is holding alot behind the scenes just like E3.
 

JINX

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I see peoples expectations are all over the place, I'm just going in expecting somewhere between an inside Xbox and one of MS's old Gamescom briefings but with a lot more talking.


What a horribly condescending post, shit should be bannable especially for a user with under 50 posts.
Agreed.
 

Dimple

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Good. People shouldnt expect a second E3.

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This was never gonna be E3 part 2, anybody who felt that were only setting themselves up for disappointment, when all is said and done it'll probably end up being more towards this years Gamescom, which is fine!, let's just enjoy it for what it is.
 
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LinkedBeast

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It's alright man, if I purchased a $500 box to play only 3-4 games on it, I too would try to justify it by any means necessary. Having a corporation screw them over and under-deliver on their promises should be a concern for most Xbox fans, but I think they're just fine with the way things are. :)

Xbox could have 1 new game a year I'd still play it, to me it's a spiritual sessor to the Sega Dreamcast, but I see what you're trying to do here buddy; be kind
 
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Yeah, this comes off as stealth trolling at best. You can't neglect FH3 or 4 because it's convenient to make your point. You can't just completely ignore what Xbox brought to the table with GamePass and BC, These have helped literally define this generation and generations to come. Japan has pretty much been a ghost town for Xbox for....how long now? You act as if this is news. Let's not ignore how many Japan-centric games have to come Xbox lately, or the one's on the way. Europe is coming around these days, or have you not noticed?

People have been clamoring for MS to take more time on Halo and Gears. Now that they are, it's a problem? And both titles are still some of the most played online games, with strong communities. Halo 5 is 3 years old...it's still going strong. The competition can't say the same.
I'm just trying to understand here, fam. Help me out.

And no, you can't blame Phil for the lack of Ip's, especially now when he's making huge moves to increase first party content with studio acquisitions. If you ask me, I'm thinking some people can't see the forest for the trees. Microsoft are making juggernaut moves on the whole of the gaming industry.

I put out all the positives as well, don't understand why you are saying that & I didn't ignore Forza, just said competition has done much more.

What makes you say Europe is coming around? Xbox 360 was doing much better than Xbox One in Europe. I think FIFA, COD marketing helped Xbox 360 a lot in Europe and they don't have the marketing for both now.

Halo and Gears during Phil's stewardship so far have not produced compared to their predecessors in my opinion. I have faith that H6 & Gears 5 will do very well and I appreciate that but so far, they haven't done well enough.

Last 5 years in terms of New IPs for MS have been disappointing for me and thats what I was talking about. I am sure they will do well in the future.
 

SuikerBrood

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I put out all the positives as well, don't understand why you are saying that & I didn't ignore Forza, just said competition has done much more.

What makes you say Europe is coming around? Xbox 360 was doing much better than Xbox One in Europe. I think FIFA, COD marketing helped Xbox 360 a lot in Europe and they don't have the marketing for both now.

Halo and Gears during Phil's stewardship so far have not produced compared to their predecessors in my opinion. I have faith that H6 & Gears 5 will do very well and I appreciate that but so far, they haven't done well enough.

Last 5 years in terms of New IPs for MS have been disappointing for me and thats what I was talking about. I am sure they will do well in the future.

Yeah, can't argue this. Performance in continental Europe has been awful this generation.

Not only because of the content by the way. Also because of marketing deals, late arrivals, pricing, etc.
 

Dimple

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I think you are being too harsh saying Xbox has stood still, its become a fantastic platform for services & subscription services.

Remember Phil was responsible for Minecraft and that acquisition alone should let Nadella keep Phil, it is HUGE & a cash cow.

Funny you mention this because I came across an article today whilst reading up on Satya Nadella (just started reading his book, really interesting read) where he talked about Phil trying to persuade MS leadership at the time to buy Mojang back in 2012:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/micro...necraft-earlier-says-ceo-satya-nadella-2017-9

Dude was WAY ahead of the game.
 

SuikerBrood

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Funny you mention this because I came across an article today whilst reading up on Satya Nadella (just started reading his book, really interesting read) where he talked about Phil trying to persuade MS leadership at the time to buy Mojang back in 2012:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/micro...necraft-earlier-says-ceo-satya-nadella-2017-9

Dude was WAY ahead of the game.

Yeah, I've always found that to be a fascinating story. I'd love to talk gaming with Spencer.
 

NimbusCub

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great summary, that should put peoples expectations in check. Are we gonna get industry changing announcements? Probably not, but we should be expecting some great news that should start creating even more positive buzz for the xbox platform.

Thanks man! I'm glad people got to read it before the thread was derailed. Honestly, even with the feedback Rand got from... Someone, we don't know what he thought was to come, or if the person he spoke with knows everything from the show. Best to just rest on what we're certain of.

Absolutely correct - Ninja Theory, Playground, Obsidian, The Coalition, and 343 are all "Juggernaut" developers that will change the face of gaming next-generation...

Look man, no one here is trying to hide that Microsoft's 1st party output was pretty terrible this generation, or say that a small number of quality exclusives should justify the Xbox One's existence on their own. You can be frustrated, feel gipped, but that doesn't mean Xbox hasn't had a profound impact on this generation and future generations of consoles.

Game Pass is a tremendous value, the Xbox One X is a textbook example of excellent console design, and xCloud is gearing up to fully realize Team Xbox's vision of Play Anywhere. They're ending this generation strong, and shaking up the way that we purchase, consume, and revisit games. The decisions they've made since 2015 have been leading up to one of the most exciting new generations of consoles, because of how much will look different.

The end of this generation and start of the next will present an opportunity for MS to finally deliver on their 3 core tennets of hardware, software, and services. That has us very excited, because we want to see Xbox be successful and maintain its place as a key player in this industry.

There's nothing wrong with lamenting the past, but most people are frustrated because your posts seem to be ignoring Xbox's future.
 
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