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Guys relax, Klob is just saying he also expects to see those things IN ADDITION to whatever surprises MS may have. He doesn't know what MS is going to show, and probably very few people, if any at all outside of MS employees know whats going on in the show.

MS has full control over this as it's their showing, so expect very few leaks if any at all. I still think its going to be a good show, those things he mentioned can be shown at any other regular inside xbox, but this isn't that...if that was the case doubt they'd see the benefit in return XO18, it wouldn't be a thing. They have surprises in store.
 

darthpaxton

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From what I've been witnessing Microsoft haven't been overhyping anything, it's individuals letting their imaginations run wild.
I understand what you're saying, but the lack of information from Microsoft allows those environments to exist. If they had a press release with a few bullet points, detailing what to expect, it wouldn't allow people to come up with ridiculous expectations.
 

Rychu

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I understand what you're saying, but the lack of information from Microsoft allows those environments to exist. If they had a press release with a few bullet points, detailing what to expect, it wouldn't allow people to come up with ridiculous expectations.
They confirmed there will be a press release of what to expect early next week on Xbox Wire on a podcast.
 

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I understand what you're saying, but the lack of information from Microsoft allows those environments to exist. If they had a press release with a few bullet points, detailing what to expect, it wouldn't allow people to come up with ridiculous expectations.

Microsoft are not doing anything, people are doing this to themselves. They shouldn't need to release a press release to ensure people remain grounded in their expectations.

The best way to approach these things is to expect little whilst being ready and open to being surprised. If you go in with lofty (and in some cases, unrealistic) expectations then you are only setting yourself up for dissapointment.

It's ok to be enthusiastic but don't blame others if the things you invent in your own head don't come true.
 

NimbusCub

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The fact that we're still here arguing over the format of X018 and the weight of announcements shows that the upcoming information regarding the "Show" side of things can't come soon enough.

All we can do is base our expectations off of what we already know:
  • Phil Spencer said to reference previous X0s to gauge the type of announcements that might be made.
  • Phil also said they've been waiting for the right reasons to bring the event back, and that now is the perfect time.
  • Insiders/press are indicating that, based on what they're hearing, the show will be bigger and better than their initial expectations.
  • Obsidian will likely be announced.
  • Other acquisitions may be announced.
  • Phil said there will be a strong 1st party presence, as well as 3rd party.
  • New Xbox BC titles will be announced.
  • Kb&M support will be shown, including titles.
This isn't including any of the speculation or announcements from MS 1st party, or insiders, about their presence at the conference. I think it's safe to say nobody should be worrying about whether X018 should be good, but can easily speculate as to whether it'll be great (my opinion: Yes.).

Even that Samaritan Unreal engine demo could turn into a pretty cool game, I think.

Wholeheartedly agree. Would love to see that game realized, as well as Shangheist at some point.

I do wonder if they will just extend the existing Xbox App on PC to handle installation and launching as well. MSFT has to know by now that they can't stick with the Windows Store if they want to make any real headway on PC. Even if they fix most of the problems they'll have a hard time changing the perception of it.

They've already built so much functionality into the Xbox app, I wouldn't be surprised if they shift the game store and xStream/Game Pass over.

When it comes to selling, the only thing that matters is who is going to offer the most money. Everything else becomes secondary.

I'd disagree. Relationship and support services, tools, and expectations of the studio are all huge factors that can outweigh money, especially if the studio is owned privately.

We may still be getting A studio acquisition?



Klobrille's post wasn't to say those would be the only things at the show, just what he was most confident in.
 
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The fact that we're still here arguing over the format of X018 and the weight of announcements shows that the upcoming information regarding the "Show" side of things can't come soon enough.

All we can do is base our expectations off of what we already know:
  • Phil Spencer said to reference previous X0s to gauge the type of announcements that might be made.
  • Phil also said they've been waiting for the right reasons to bring the event back, and that now is the perfect time.
  • Insiders/press are indicating that, based on what they're hearing, the show will be bigger and better than their initial expectations.
  • Obsidian will likely be announced.
  • Other acquisitions may be announced.
  • Phil said there will be a strong 1st party presence, as well as 3rd party.
  • New Xbox BC titles will be announced.
  • Kb&M support will be shown, including titles.
This isn't including any of the speculation or announcements from MS 1st party, or insiders, about their presence at the conference. I think it's safe to say nobody should be worrying about whether X018 should be good, but can easily speculate as to whether it'll be great (my opinion: Yes.).



Wholeheartedly agree. Would love to see that game realized, as well as Shangheist at some point.



They've already built so much functionality into the Xbox app, I wouldn't be surprised if they shift the game store and xStream/Game Pass over.



I'd disagree. Relationship and support services, tools, and expectations of the studio are all huge factors that can outweigh money, especially if the studio is owned privately.



Klobrille's post wasn't to say those would be the only things at the show, just what he was most confident in.

great summary, that should put peoples expectations in check. Are we gonna get industry changing announcements? Probably not, but we should be expecting some great news that should start creating even more positive buzz for the xbox platform.
 

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All I want from XO is more Gears 5 info. I don't care if it's a demo, a trailer, a sizzle reel or damn screenshots. I am desperate for more.
 

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I am glad i am just chill about XO. Looking forward to it. Have a general idea what to expect. Not getting overhyped about it or expecting nothing.
I think the announcement was pretty clear what to expect.
 

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So, I used to brag about how silent my XB1X is especially when compared to my PS4 Pro. However, with Forza Horizon 4 and now RDR 2, my X is getting loud as fuck ... like almost PS4 Pro levels of loud. Anyone else experiencing this? Are these games just pushing my system so much harder that it sounds like it wants to die?
 
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So, I used to brag about how silent my XB1X is especially when compared to my PS4 Pro. However, with Forza Horizon 4 and now RDR 2, my X is getting loud as fuck ... like almost PS4 Pro levels of loud. Anyone else experiencing this? Are these games just pushing my system so much harder that it sounds like it wants to die?

Same here man. As soon as I fire up a enhanced game it will make noise. Especially with 4K games like FH4 and RDR2.



I am guessing he's just guessing here and I certainly am not gonna get my hopes up about it this.
 

speedomodel

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So, I used to brag about how silent my XB1X is especially when compared to my PS4 Pro. However, with Forza Horizon 4 and now RDR 2, my X is getting loud as fuck ... like almost PS4 Pro levels of loud. Anyone else experiencing this? Are these games just pushing my system so much harder that it sounds like it wants to die?
YES! Last night playing Red Dead I was like "do....I need to be worried?"

FH4 hasn't made much noise, but sometimes...
 

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Services like Game Pass and Origin Access are basically the new Rental Stores. So not too surprising they are doing well.

Best thing for me about Game Pass is that I can get free months via Microsoft Rewards. Don't think I have had to pay yet because I got the yearly offers before they changed it to 3 months. They have hooked me so I'll probably pay when I have to.
 

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So, I used to brag about how silent my XB1X is especially when compared to my PS4 Pro. However, with Forza Horizon 4 and now RDR 2, my X is getting loud as fuck ... like almost PS4 Pro levels of loud. Anyone else experiencing this? Are these games just pushing my system so much harder that it sounds like it wants to die?
Yep. My X was quiet all year, then it started getting loud with all the fall games. Destiny 2, Forza and Red Dead all make the fans rev up. My guess is the developers are using more power requiring more cooling to kick in.
 

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So, I used to brag about how silent my XB1X is especially when compared to my PS4 Pro. However, with Forza Horizon 4 and now RDR 2, my X is getting loud as fuck ... like almost PS4 Pro levels of loud. Anyone else experiencing this? Are these games just pushing my system so much harder that it sounds like it wants to die?
I'm getting the exact same.
 

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When it comes to selling, the only thing that matters is who is going to offer the most money. Everything else becomes secondary.

Do you think if Sony tried to buy Playground Games, they would've chose them over Microsoft, just because of money? Money plays big role, but that isn't everything.

Families and young people will more than likely choose Xbox over PlayStation, I believe, unless Sony does something to match Game Pass, which I don't think they will.

I don't see Sony matching that value, and therein lies huge potential for Microsoft to hit the ground running in unprecedented ways.

The thing is. Sony is already chancing PSnow to be more like gamepass. You pay monthly fee and you can download games or stream them. It is not on the level of gamepass and it isn't avaible everywhere, but they are not standing idle.

Besides Sony has other things to use against Microsoft when next generation comes. Easiest way to get people who bought PS4 to also buy PS5 is to offer them BC at launch. Play all your PS4 games on PS5 and just keep advertising that. Masses who bought PS4 will go and buy PS5.

Also masses have no freaking idea about how many or how skilled studios Microsoft have bought. They need to see those games. They have already seen great games on PS4 and now they are getting sequels to them on PS5 launch.

There is many things to consider when next gen launches and we are going to see tighter competion than this generation.
 

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Phil hasn't done a ... and one more thing in years. Now is the time for that one more thing.
MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.
 

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Phil hasn't done a ... and one more thing in years. Now is the time for that one more thing.
Cyberpunk was basically a one more thing at E3.
MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.
Did you copy and paste that post from 2017? I'm not sure whether it's ignorance, denial, or just plain trolling.
 

Rychu

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Phil hasn't done a ... and one more thing in years. Now is the time for that one more thing.
Even though it wasn't an exclusive, Cyberpunk 2077 was absolutely a one more thing announcement this E3.

He was saying it was the end of the show and thanking people for watching, basically said bye then the stage got hacked, showed a terminal and played Cyberpunk trailer.
 

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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.
You missed the last 6 months?
 

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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.

Somebody come get ya mans...

There's just so much wrong with this...from gaming division being at a standstill and getting an X and the only this is exclusives...

This post is funny to me.
 

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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.


I think this is a joke post right, because there's no way this is in any way or shape a serious post right!?
 

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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.
Did you time travel to a year ago from the past? 2018 has absolutely proved that Phil is worthy of his position.

They invested a ton of money into the gaming division at the beginning of this year. Phil built an entire new studio that had job listings for new IP, bought Ninja Theory which works on new IP, Rare is making a new IP, Compulsion will make new IPs, Obsidian will definitely make new IPs.
 

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You missed the last 6 months?
What, are you celebrating Sea of Thieves and yet another Forza game because this time it has native 4k?
Or are we classifying unreleased multiplatform games (Cyberpunk) without announced platforms (this gen or next?) as exclusives now?

After playing Gears 4 and laughing at the DeeBee AI, I knew exactly how MS was going to play out this gen. They played their fanbase too but that's really not my concern - the software is.
 

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What, are you celebrating Sea of Thieves and yet another Forza game because this time it has native 4k?
Or are we classifying unreleased multiplatform games (Cyberpunk) without announced platforms (this gen or next?) as exclusives now?

After playing Gears 4 and laughing at the DeeBee AI, I knew exactly how MS was going to play out this gen. They played their fanbase too but that's really not my concern - the software is.

This posts shows that you have no clue what happened the last 6 months with MS internally and what happened after that. So i am not even gonna bother responding on some weird hot takes like Forza Horizon being 4K or something.
 

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The thing is. Sony is already chancing PSnow to be more like gamepass. You pay monthly fee and you can download games or stream them. It is not on the level of gamepass and it isn't avaible everywhere, but they are not standing idle.

Besides Sony has other things to use against Microsoft when next generation comes. Easiest way to get people who bought PS4 to also buy PS5 is to offer them BC at launch. Play all your PS4 games on PS5 and just keep advertising that. Masses who bought PS4 will go and buy PS5.

Also masses have no freaking idea about how many or how skilled studios Microsoft have bought. They need to see those games. They have already seen great games on PS4 and now they are getting sequels to them on PS5 launch.

There is many things to consider when next gen launches and we are going to see tighter competion than this generation.

PS Now does not have offer all first party titles on the service at launch. It is comparable to the value of Game Pass at launch. It simply does not compare.

Microsoft have practically written the book on backwards compatibility and I trust them to deliver more on features.

Masses don't know how about the studio acquisitions, but the hardcore do, and the hardcore largely set the tone for the masses. The launch of XB1 and PS3 made that very clear.

You are right, of course, that many more things need to be considered, but on the big ones, the obvious factors, I think Microsoft is showing that they have learned their lessons and they are going to be coming out swinging.

Scarlett launching with Halo, Forza, Killer Instinct and whatever else on Game Pass compared to Sony offering a PS5 with a packaged game or two aren't comparable valuable propositions for hyped up prospective buyers coming into next gen. To me, the advantages are obvious, but like I told Aokiji, I am going to leave it to time to tell.
 

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This posts show that you have no clue what happened the last 6 months with MS internally and what happened after that. So i am not even gonna bother responding on some weird hot takes like Forza Horizon being 4K or something.
Oh, I'm sorry. I should act like I'm part of Microsoft's HR department and start listing studios they've acquired without any announcements regarding games being made whatsoever.
After all, it takes magic and pixie dust to make these games, right? One will be ready in 2 to 3 years if MS prays hard enough. :)
 

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Scarlett launching with Halo, Forza, Killer Instinct and whatever else on Game Pass compared to Sony offering a PS5 with a packaged game or two aren't comparable valuable propositions for hyped up prospective buyers coming into next gen. To me, the advantages are obvious, but like I told Aokiji, I am going to leave it to time to tell.

Let's say PS5 comes or close to launch with God of War 2, HZD 2 and Spider-Man 2 (not expecting it). That is pretty big lineup and people already know they loved the first ones, why not go with the console what offers sequels to them.

PS5 playing PS4 games could be huge for masses. That family with PS4 library can keep playing those games on PS5 right from launch. That is pretty much no brainer for them over gamepass.
 

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As in you think it's coming 2021? They're setting out to make a AAA open world RPG and don't have a Director, Audio Designer, World Designer, Technical Director, many senior level positions staffed... It's four or five years off and it'll be a while before they have anything to show.
Phil already teased that they are working on something and it has been known for 2 years that Playground was making an RPG. It's coming in 2020 or 2021. My guess is 2020 as a next gen crossover title along with Halo Infinite. This is the studio that has cranked out 2 of the best racing games of all time in 4 years. I suspect the RPG will be a 3-4 year dev cycle and I think this game was pretty well in the works in 2017.
 
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Oh, I'm sorry. I should act like I'm part of Microsoft's HR department and start listing studios they've acquired without any announcements regarding games being made whatsoever.
After all, it takes magic and pixie dust to make these games, right? One will be ready in 2 to 3 years if MS prays hard enough. :)

The point being made is that it's only in the last year that Phil has been given sufficient authority to dramatically change the direction Microsoft has been going in games this generation, and the last six months has given us every indication that he is taking very big steps to right the ship. "I can't believe he still has a job" is sort of an odd take to have on recent events, it's going to take a while before new and newly acquired studios bear fruit.
 

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Oh, I'm sorry. I should act like I'm part of Microsoft's HR department and start listing studios they've acquired without any announcements regarding games being made whatsoever.
After all, it takes magic and pixie dust to make these games, right? One will be ready in 2 to 3 years if MS prays hard enough. :)
It's the fact you said their gaming division is at a standstill when there are many changes that have happened over the past year that prove it's the opposite.

First of all, Terry Myerson was preventing a lot of gaming decisions from being made. He's gone now. Second of all, Phil Spencer was last year promoted to the leadership team and has meetings with Nadella and reports directly to Nadella now which led to a very very large increase in gaming budget including the creation of a new gaming cloud division.

The fact that all of these studios are being acquired and made is proof that Microsoft is serious about gaming again and next gen is very promising.
 

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Oh, I'm sorry. I should act like I'm part of Microsoft's HR department and start listing studios they've acquired without any announcements regarding games being made whatsoever.
After all, it takes magic and pixie dust to make these games, right? One will be ready in 2 to 3 years if MS prays hard enough. :)

You are all over the place with your comments. Also i am repeating myself so i am moving on.
 

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MS is bold enough to have a guy like Nadella lead the company as CEO, which turned their entire profit/revenue margins around, but somehow Phil Spencer still has a job when their gaming division has been at a standstill for the past 3 years, and Spencer has done next to nothing to alleviate the lack of new IPs since he came on-board.
I miss the early years of the 360, when MS seemed unstoppable and were working closely with all sorts of devs to ensure a quality gaming experience on their console. I can't understand how people have invested $500 for the OneX and all they have to look forward to is Crackdown 3 and another half-assed Gears...and I don't think MS has anything hidden up their sleeves.
I wasn't sure before, but now I am with this ^^^ post. Reset needs to include a drug test to be a member of these here forums, here... Yup!
 

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Let's say PS5 comes or close to launch with God of War 2, HZD 2 and Spider-Man 2 (not expecting it). That is pretty big lineup and people already know they loved the first ones, why not go with the console what offers sequels to them.

PS5 playing PS4 games could be huge for masses. That family with PS4 library can keep playing those games on PS5 right from launch. That is pretty much no brainer for them over gamepass.

To avoid repeating myself, I'm going to refer you to my previous posts on this as I've already addressed this.
 

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Let's say PS5 comes or close to launch with God of War 2, HZD 2 and Spider-Man 2 (not expecting it). That is pretty big lineup and people already know they loved the first ones, why not go with the console what offers sequels to them.

PS5 playing PS4 games could be huge for masses. That family with PS4 library can keep playing those games on PS5 right from launch. That is pretty much no brainer for them over gamepass.
Dont get why people think sony will do that... they havent shown any big interest for consumer friendly features like BC so far.


After having a conversation with someone.... I am significantly lowering my expectations for X018
So uhm, tell us?
 
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