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Don Lemon: 'White men' are biggest terror threat to US, and there is no travel ban on them
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I agree. This talking point about us staying quiet so we don't give the insane conspiracy theorists "ammo" needs to die.
We better roll over and let these loons do as they please, otherwise they will just do whatever they want anyway!
This is the best summation of it, but I think we really need to think about the American culture that makes white men act like this. You were close with your percentages too, by the way, CNN says 64%.
I'm white and I completely agree with him. Most Neo Nazis and Sovereign/Nationalist types are white and it's right there in the name White Supremacist.
Sure any human is capable of doing horrible things but at least here in the US I believe it's mostly far right or fringe radicalized white that I worry about.
There is a large portion of whites that are terrified of becoming a minority. Which makes since since they know how they have marginalized People of Color and First Natiins people. They dont want to have to accept that there is two different Americas one for whites and one for everyine else.
I was raised that all people derserve to be respected and treated equally. I also know that my life experience is vastly different than PoC. Even friend that I have that grew up in the same neighborhoods and schools. I saw how people are treated or looked at differently.
Most people don't care to look outside of their own expirirence or needs. Unless they feel like some one is getring aomething over on them. It's a shame.
Sure any human is capable of doing horrible things but at least here in the US I believe it's mostly far right or fringe radicalized white that I worry about.
There is a large portion of whites that are terrified of becoming a minority. Which makes since since they know how they have marginalized People of Color and First Natiins people. They dont want to have to accept that there is two different Americas one for whites and one for everyine else.
I was raised that all people derserve to be respected and treated equally. I also know that my life experience is vastly different than PoC. Even friend that I have that grew up in the same neighborhoods and schools. I saw how people are treated or looked at differently.
Most people don't care to look outside of their own expirirence or needs. Unless they feel like some one is getring aomething over on them. It's a shame.
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This graph should show the amount of islamic extremist terror on US soil compared to that of white terror in america. No? Of course not, because there isnt any islamic terrorism in the US. And when the attack on the towers happebed it was from an ally. (Saudi) This is not the talking point thoHe ain't wrong. Domestic terrorism is far and away the largest share and the majority of it is done by white dudes.
Course you can't put a travel ban on domestic terror, but that don't mean we shouldn't confront it.
That said, radical Islamic terrorism does kill more people (ie the acts of terror caused by far right "islamic" ideology are more violent). Far right "nationalistic" attacks ain't far behind though.
I think it might because the news cycle goes so fast that we miss most of them, but it's likely that a lot of gang violence/robbery also counts as mass shootings :
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Though mass-shootings != domestic terrorism. Or does it? I genuinely don't know.
A big problem is white men own way more guns than anyone else. It's a lot easier to go on a rampage when you have easy access to an arsenal than if you don't. Combine that with white men being more conservative (of which a small subset falls into aggressive nationalistic views) and that's a decent reason why.
Neither was I. Do only people running for office have influence among voters?
Why the hell would he apologize for TRUTH? How would that even be a reasonable expectation for a nation built on newspapers and the drive to communicate across vast distance about the state of the world?
His use of 'white men' instead of 'white nationalist/supremacists/etc' is important because travel bans are affecting people of specific ethnicities and not just targeting extremists. So what he's saying is if they were enforcing these blanket bans based on the facts, they would be blanket banning white men from coming into the country.
As a white man I'm okay with this messaging and I agree with it.
Now of course there should be no travel bans at all and HLS etc needs to be targeting extremist groups instead of blanket banning countries, and they also need to be aggressively going after domestic hate groups, but Lemon is speaking figuratively and it's obvious.
As a white man I'm okay with this messaging and I agree with it.
Now of course there should be no travel bans at all and HLS etc needs to be targeting extremist groups instead of blanket banning countries, and they also need to be aggressively going after domestic hate groups, but Lemon is speaking figuratively and it's obvious.
This is looking at domestic terrorism, feel free to read the article I linked.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/
The vast majority of terrorism in the US is done by white dudes but it tends to be non violent. This includes stuff like corporate terrorism, eco terrorism and the like. Bombing of an empty building would be an example of that. Clearly terrorism but it doesn't kill anyone.
When it comes to violent (domestic) terrorism far right nationalistic terror comes in slightly behind far right Islamic terror.
To be fair, that says nothing of the race. Islamic terror can be caused by a white dude just as easily as far right nationalistic terrorism can be caused by an Arab guy (in all honestly the two ideologies ain't that far apart). Also, it tends not to include stuff like school shootings cause terrorism has to be done for a specific ideological reason.
I'll look into race statistics of violent terrorism and get back to you.
Right, he fed them a bad line with white men. I get what he was getting at, that white male extremist terror is the real terrorist threat we should be going after, but woof at the way he said it.
That's also pretty outdated.This is looking at domestic terrorism, feel free to read the article I linked.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/
The vast majority of terrorism in the US is done by white dudes but it tends to be non violent. This includes stuff like corporate terrorism, eco terrorism and the like. Bombing of an empty building would be an example of that. Clearly terrorism but it doesn't kill anyone.
When it comes to violent (domestic) terrorism far right nationalistic terror comes in slightly behind far right Islamic terror.
To be fair, that says nothing of the race. Islamic terror can be caused by a white dude just as easily as far right nationalistic terrorism can be caused by an Arab guy (in all honestly the two ideologies ain't that far apart).
I'll look into race statistics of violent terrorism and get back to you.
He still gets the side-eye.
Like I will forever wait for the other shoe to drop.
I would more specifically say "Wealthy White Men". Poor people, be they white, black, brown or other have little to no say in policies that dictate gun control laws. Rich white people are really holding all the cards.
This is looking at domestic terrorism, feel free to read the article I linked.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/
The vast majority of terrorism in the US is done by white dudes but it tends to be non violent. This includes stuff like corporate terrorism, eco terrorism and the like. Bombing of an empty building would be an example of that. Clearly terrorism but it doesn't kill anyone.
When it comes to violent (domestic) terrorism far right nationalistic terror comes in slightly behind far right Islamic terror.
To be fair, that says nothing of the race. Islamic terror can be caused by a white dude just as easily as far right nationalistic terrorism can be caused by an Arab guy (in all honestly the two ideologies ain't that far apart).
I'll look into race statistics of violent terrorism and get back to you.
San Bernardino is 14 people killed, Boston Marathon bombers killed 3, Pulse nightclub was 49 ... those are pretty much the biggest "radical Islamic terror" attacks post 9/11 ... that's 66 people, am I missing anything else big?
I also imagine the graph would look much different if instead of September 12 2001 through 2016, it was the last 10 years from today, or hell, the last 5 years.
If Islamic terror tapered off in the years following 9/11 then it doesn't make Lemons point wrong.
What is being said is what is the *current* biggest threat, and again, it's domestic home grown shit, not foreigners.
If Islamic terror tapered off in the years following 9/11 then it doesn't make Lemons point wrong.
What is being said is what is the *current* biggest threat, and again, it's domestic home grown shit, not foreigners.
Naw boy it needed to be said if that's what mobilizes the right of influences swing voters then let it. Fuck em.
Also, those people were not illegal. They were nationalized citizens, or born here in the United States. The Orlando shooting is skewing a lot of those results. White terrorism is far more frequent and those numbers also don't take into account anything past 2016, with the more recent acts of White terrorism since Trump.
Anythibg missing on the radical white terrorist side from this year and last?
There are a few more, a 8 for a vehicle attack in New York, 5 for Boston (apparently, they probably died from their injuries) and a few more like that Ali Muhammad Brown dude that killed 4 people in 2014.
Though I don't know if I'd mark them all as 'radical Islamic terrorists' but they were pretty bad people.
Boston Marathon 2013.
San Bernardino 2015.
Orlando 2016.
New York City 2017.
You're an idiot.
That's true. Even non-violent stuff.
Jesus, do you all remember this one ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Lafayette_shooting
Yeah I know, I don't know where they got this number (or what classifies as radical Islam).
What about American culture makes white men act this way disproportionately but not...everyone else
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Are you crying yet, snowflake? Sorry that white men have a problem just living normally without seeking power struggles. If you're going to deny white supremacy you're on the wrong end of things here, anecdotal evidence aside. They were all US citizens, and far more crimes (also terrorism) were carried about by white people getting mad at literally everyone else.
Right and I mean it's all obviously horrible. But, it goes back to Lemon's point, especially in regards to the caravan, in that none of these kinds of people are in that caravan and yet the Trump administration is focused on it above all else, even while choosing to opt out of programs in place to combat White terrorism, initiated by Obama.