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RPG.net bans support of Trump on their forums
- Thread starter Jintor
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Sometimes there is only one and only correct answer. Human rights issues are black and white. Not giving transgender people rights is wrong, giving them rights is... right. There is no argument against it that warrants listening.
Nothing is lost if we ban anti-transgender discussion and support of anyone who thinks that way. It's not "terrifying". It's not a slippery slope that will lead to a dystopian leftist society where everything is far worse than in this world of rape culture, trans- & homophobia, racism, KKK, Nazis attacking minorities in broad daylight in the US, poor and sick people unable to take care of everyday needs etc.
There's so many problems with that logic. Support is not necessarily praise, and the idea that anyone is so fragile that supporting the President generates the same effect as a racial slur is just ludicrous.
I understand that the overlap between Trump supporters and hateful people is unnerving, and it's very tempting to simply not engage with Trump supporters just to cover that probability.
Ultimately, I don't think stopping the conversations before they start is a productive way to deal with bad ideas, and I honestly believe that kicking people back into thier echo chambers only to reinforce those bad ideas is more harmful.
This is great news. I hope more and more sites do this.
This is really the biggest problem with Era. Too many people who claim they're "just asking questions" get a week-long ban and then nothing else.
This is really the biggest problem with Era. Too many people who claim they're "just asking questions" get a week-long ban and then nothing else.
I mean, what is Trump, other than a bezoar of negative qualities?
What else does supporting Trump equate to?
I'm going to ask you two questions that I hope I will get a response to.
1. Have you tried speaking with these people?
2. Do you not understand that any support of Trump enables all the negative aspects?
I think that's perfectly fine. We don't need to outright ban them because they will inevitably out themselves and give plenty of reason. A week ban will either lead to them not coming back, or coming back and doing the aforementioned.
I just want to be able to tell people that I support genocide, discrimination, racism, environmental destruction, kids in concentration camps etc. Why are people so discriminatory?
I am ok with you supporting LGBT, equality and whatever. Why cant you tolerate me the same way?
I am ok with you supporting LGBT, equality and whatever. Why cant you tolerate me the same way?
I disagree with your views on hating Minorities and LGTBQ but as long as you're polite and not shouting I will hear out on why you think all Jews should die.
Oh ok I wasn't sure. A generalized, catastrophic, take is not going to convince me my opinions are harmful or wrong. I don't think you can clearly state my opinion.
I guess that's the problem with a straw man attack - I agree with you on everything you just said.
This is wrong. They know the effect they have. That is why they yell MAGA at any chance. It is why they post pictures of him whenever they can.
There have been plenty of cases of hateful people being recorded who have used Trump rhetoric, knowing the effect.
It is the same as Nazi slogans and paraphernalia. It is the same as KKK imagery. People aren't "fragile" for telling shitheads to fuck off. You are fragile for not understanding that not all "opinions" are worth a shit.
I specifically asked you which of the Trump policies you supported (not praised) and you said none. Which leads me to believe you have your reasons to not supporting the president and yet, you are scolding people who do not support Trump for their very own reasons.
Guys, I'm seriously concerned that people are advocating a rule that bans people from shitting in the pool. If nobody shits in the pool we'll just have a clean pool. It's important that we allow people to shit in the pool so we can experience what swimming in feces water is like.
It's a slippery slope - if we ban shitting in the pool, what's next? Peeing? Bleeding?
It's a slippery slope - if we ban shitting in the pool, what's next? Peeing? Bleeding?
What specifically in my post suggests I'm attempting whataboutism?
Or are you just not able to counter the fact that trump's platform is based on hate?
It all depends on what you consider "shitting in the pool". IMO merely being a Trump supporter doesn't qualify.
Dear beelzebub, you are so full of total and utter BS.
It doesn't matter if support of Trump is praise of Trump or not. You still support a fascist regime that actively, purposefully is trying to strip away human rights of minorities and women, dissolve free press, destroy many support nets of people in need, contributing to the destruction of the environment etc.
There's no need to be so limitlessly tolerant of the intolerant people. They don't listen to reason. They aren't interested in listening. Putting the onus on us to go to the shitstains of humanity who HAVE ALREADY HEARD ALL THE ARGUMENTS and still try to educate and persuade them to rethink their stances us fucking dumb
Expecting a single ounce of human decency and not letting monsters like Trump get a platform everywhere does not an echo chamber make.
User Banned (3 Days): Arguing in bad faith over a series of posts
I agree. Do you agree that support is not necessarily praise?
"Merely being a trump supporter" isn't banned at rpg.net - it's actively expressing statements of support which isn't allowed
actively making statements of support for trump is 100% shitting in the pool IMO
Nah technically he's right. I remember for a hot week some liberals were willing to give Trump a chance to see if he would act more Presidential. That level of support barely lasted a week and that's that. Anyone who continued to support the President a month after being exposed to his destructive antics are in the wrong.
Nothing is going to convince you your opinion is wrong because you're closed-minded to the reality of the situation we are in and the complicity of Trump supporters. People can tell you a million times exactly why and how them and their rhetoric is harmful and shouldn't be allowed to spread, but it's more important to you to maintain a stance you probably consider is reasonable because it's more inclusive, even though all you are including is hate. It's the same old centrist bullshit, "everyone should be allowed to speak their mind" stuff where everyone is given equal footing and the best ideas will emerge, but that isn't how society operates, and you refuse to see that.
It doesn't matter, they are still complicit. Either through direct action or inaction.
That's where you and I disagree I guess. Someone supporting Trump ain't gonna ruin my day. But I also have no idea of how toxic an environment the site was prior.
If you voted for him and understand that you fucked up, that is one thing.
We're talking about his current loud mouthed fans. At the very least I personally am.
Support is allowed. What isn't allowed is expressing support that boils down to, my fellow rpg.net member is subhuman. If you stick to talking points like national defense, healthcare and the economy you won't eat a ban.
Also baiting Trump supporters into expressing their bigotry isn't allowed.
Of course it qualifies. Maybe 2,5 years ago it didn't but at this point anyone who is a Trump supporter is either also a supporter of all his shitty, hateful, harmful policies or you don't give a fuck about him having hateful, harmful, shitty policies towards the usual oppressed groups because you agree with some non-hateful policy, which doesn't make you much better. To be able to handwave all the hate and bigotry and damaging things takes real effort and ignorance. Maybe you're not shitting straight into the pool but you are happy going to a bathroom that has pipes that lead your shit into it anyway. You are still contributing to the vast amounts of shit that other people have to deal with.
But in everyone's else's opinion, it does.
Most importantly... in the owner of the pool's opinion, it does.
Being a Trump supporter (being full of shit) isn't banned. Squeezing that shit into the pool is banned.
I'd rather swim in a pool that wasn't full of shit than know which specific swimmers are just okay with shitting in the pool because it's allowed.
To put it plainly: no I don't support, or even likeTrump. Even at my most charitable, I think he's a horrible, dangerously stupid human being that should'nt be in charge of a hot dog stand, let alone a country.
I'm also not scolding people who don't support Trump for not supporting Trump!
My issue is first and foremost shutting down conversations before they happen, and only allowing people with the correct way of thinking through the door. I believe free and open speech is how you fight bad ideas.
I hope nobody has any difficulty in misrepresenting this opinion.
You going to answer my question or are you going to leave your attempt at dismissing my point up there?
I'm getting about 5 replies a minute and it's hard to keep track. Please just plainly state your question and I'll answer you.
I appreciate you are getting a lot of heat
There you go
They've had the conversations with the Trump supporters. They suck. They're doing this to make their forum a better place for people to have discussions without those people making it shit for everyone else. The owners of a forum are under no obligation to create rules in the hope they somehow correct the views of Trump supporters, especially if doing so creates a shitty environment for everyone else.
You're again leading with the false premise that Trump supporters want to have any sort of reasonable discussion or are even close to being capable of changing their minds on human rights (they aren't, we've seen this all over).
However, opening the channels of discussion/Conversation with these people is at this point irresponsible and dangerous. Shielding these conversations with the pretense of "free speech" is following their agenda.
I am guessing you are a straight, white male who has not been targeted/affected by Trump's policies and rhetoric and that privilege puts you in a very safe space in which you are open to have conversations that support hate speech in one way or another. You are not an ally of ours; you are a pragmatic, unempathetic centrist who just likes to have "conversations". You are an enabler at best.
Free and open speech, giving all opinions equal weight in what deserves to be heard, no matter how heinous, has (in part) lead to the rise of Nazis and fascism again. Not cracking down on hate speech and hate groups harder has lead to violence and even death.
These aren't some "hey guys, I think the government needs to be smaller" type of people. They straight out want to exterminate Others. There's nothing to be gained by giving them all the opportunities to bring forth their "ideas and opinions". Get that through your fucking thick skull already. These aren't victimless, harmless ideologies. The longer your kinds of centrist bullshitters protect their right to express their hateful rhetoric in the name of naive, idiotic limitless tolerance, the longer minorities and women will suffer at their hands.
If someone is interested in discussions, they can do so without the ability to be able to spew their toxic crap.
Why give people the chance to push harmful ideas when you can avoid it? You aren't going to sit down and hear out what a Nazi has to say about Black people, or what a sexual assaulter has to say about women, so why would you want to hear what someone who voted to destroy our country and regress us back decades has to say about issues involving government or social issues? We've had the debate, the debate is over, there is right and there is wrong. For the most part it's a waste of time to keep telling someone how they are wrong when they don't give a shit when we could be focusing efforts on creating spaces for *good* people to have spaces to discuss things free from having to worry about the opinions and thoughts of people who have proven they have no interest in learning or changing their opinions, and people shouldn't have to expend energy on convincing them.
Why do you keep saying "shutting down conversations before they happen"? These conversations have been happening for over 2 years now and Trump himself is only getting worse. Trump supporters aren't going to come out with some new convincing argument as to why they're awful, they're just gonna keep thinking of new memes to dehumanise their opponents, minorities and LGTB people with. We've seen it all.
Era does not need to be the place that deals with these people. We do not need to be the place where these "conversations" happen.
When these bad ideas include "I think don't other people using this site deserve to be respected or have certain basic rights", you're deciding that this vague principle is more important than removing bullshit from the lives of users who already have to deal with enough as is. There is great value in a community where the standards are high enough that we accept that these bad ideas are bad to begin with, and such users can discuss things without that shit hanging over them.
Hey hey! You had some really strong thoughts on how deplatforming doesn't work and asked for proofs and then were given them. Super curious to see if you've had a chance to read up yet :)
Bingo. And this is what Im pretty sure these assholes fear the most. Someone finally cutting through the bullshit false equivalencies and just putting the hammer down.
Which is why I suspect these threads are 11+ pages long, meanwhile half the posters you see so fucking "concerned" in these threads are nowhere to be seen when we are discussing kids being drugged and kept in cages... They are suddenly desperately afraid of this viewpoint picking up steam and spreading and wake their old unused accounts from their slumber to let us know how terribly slippery a slope this is and how much free speech is being trampled on. FOH
Usually, people avoid the crazy guy standing on the corner screaming "everyone is going to hell" but for some people, they love to stand there and listen to bullshit.
"Believe me guys, I think trump is a horrible, dangerous person! I just don't get why you want to limit his exposure!!"
That is because they are malicious people supporting their agenda, one way or another. Cowards who know that if they share their true views will get in a position where they are going to be banned, punched, fired or worse. So the next best thing is to frame it all in a new found burning desire for "Free speech" in order to enable other idiots who, piece of shit people aside, are OK to be more upfront with their views (Still cowards, because they only do it in internet or among their own ecochamber since still don't have the balls to spew bigoted rhetoric in public)
I don't visit this RPG forum. But after this policy i think they will see a rise in:
People "just asking questions"
Mr Civility dudes.
I'm not a Trump supported , but... crowd.
Free speech , Facist left fighters.
"Let's have a conversation" trolls
Like we have here.
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His views got him elected president so I'm struggling to find out how this makes any sense at all. I mean didn't we have conversations about him being racist towards a Hispanic judge BEFORE his election? Did we not have conversations about him "GRABBING HER BY THE PUSSY" BEFORE the election? I don't understand how you can even make the argument.