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MondoMega

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can't wait for that shocking third party character
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How about a character from Sega and GameFreak's second crossover game.
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Yeah guess I need to prepare for no Isaac. On the plus side, it looks like Geno is looking real likely now, and that will be enough for me really.
 

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Man if Issac is an AT then I'm fucking boycotting Smash.

Who am I kidding. I can't wait for it. HYPE
 

Dark Cloud

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- Our very own Masozi saw a leak of a non-Vergeben first party rep (so not Incineroar), but is still trying to verify it. It's a 30 second video.

- Vergeben said Isaac is an AT

- Imran just said "don't be surprised if a big third party character is not present on Thursday's direct and instead comes later"

*sighs*

I guess I'll stick with Ken, Incinceroar and Geno as the last base game characters
 

NotLiquid

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If our major Square rep isn't base roster then I think the leak Masozi got may be onto something real.

Final characters would then be Ken, Incineroar, First Party Rep that isn't on the banner.

Also didn't SpawnWave or someone else suggest Sora being revealed as DLC, possibly at The Game Awards?
 
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Shocking third party rep has got to Sora or Dante. Maybe even... a Blizzard rep? X_X Guessing they are revealed tomorrow, but VGAs is possible.
 

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If our major Square rep isn't base roster then I think the leak Masozi got may be onto something real.

Final characters would then be Ken, Incineroar, First Party Rep that isn't on the banner.

Also didn't SpawnWave or someone else suggest Sora being revealed as DLC, possibly at The Game Awards?
Remember that "major third party rep" wouldn't include a minor one like Geno, that just happens to be big in the context of Smash.
 

TheFireman

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So to recap our characters:

Ken:
-Has a picture leak
-Backed by many insiders
-Does anyone really think he's not in

Incineroar:
-Backed by many insiders

Isaac:
-Verg says no
-Mystic says yes
-Emily doesn't agree with Mystic on anything

Geno:
-Square rep is certainly in
-Mystic says yes, Emily doesn't agree with Mystic
-Verg says there's a big Square Enix character
-Imran says that he doesn't know if there's a big third party franchise at launch, which may point to Geno or may not

Banjo:
-Seems to be deconfirmed by Tom Phillips
-If the above four are in, Emily's statements about the leak imply Banjo isn't in

Chorus Kids, Shadow, and Mach Rider:
-Not outright deconfirmed
-But no credible leaks either
-Again, also implied not to be in by Emily's statements if any 3 other banner characters are in

Square Enix Rep (Sora, DQ Protagonist, etc):
-Verg says they're in, but it could be Geno
-Mystic says there's a big third party JRPG rep, but it could be Geno
-Emily doesn't agree with Mystic
-Imran says he doesn't know that there's another big third party franchise to be revealed for launch

Mystery Character(s):
-Speculation that it's Dante from previous leaks
-Masozi says that he was sent a clip detailing a first party Nintendo character
-Imran isn't sure that there's another big third party franchise to be revealed for launch
-Emily's statements imply there's, at most, 3 characters from the banner in the game
-Mystic seems really excited about the remaining roster
 

Phendrift

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So to recap our characters:

Ken:
-Has a picture leak
-Backed by many insiders
-Does anyone really think he's not in

Incineroar:
-Backed by many insiders

Isaac:
-Verg says no
-Mystic says yes
-Emily doesn't disagree with Mystic

Geno:
-Square rep is certainly in
-Mystic says yes, Emily doesn't disagree with Mystic
-Verg says there's a big Square Enix character
-Imran says that he doesn't know if there's a big third party franchise at launch, which may point to Geno or may not

Banjo:
-Seems to be deconfirmed by Tom Phillips
-If the above four are in, Emily's statements about the leak imply Banjo isn't in

Chorus Kids, Shadow, and Mach Rider:
-Not outright deconfirmed
-But no credible leaks either
-Again, also implied not to be in by Emily's statements if Ken, Isaac, and Geno are in

Square Enix Rep (Sora, DQ Protagonist, etc):
-Verg says they're in, but it could be Geno
-Mystic says there's a big third party JRPG rep, but it could be Geno
-Imran says he doesn't know that there's another big third party franchise to be revealed for launch

Mystery Character(s):
-Speculation that it's Dante from previous leaks
-Masozi says that he was sent a clip detailing a first party Nintendo character
-Imran isn't sure that there's another big third party franchise to be revealed for launch
-Emily's statements imply there's, at most, 3 characters from the banner in the game
-Mystic seems really excited about the remaining roster
Emily DOES disagree
 

NotLiquid

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Remember that "major third party rep" wouldn't include a minor one like Geno, that just happens to be big in the context of Smash.
The problem is that Emily suggested that the game contains multiple characters that aren't in the banner, which implies at least two. If we make the safest possible assumption (that being we get no more than two more newcomers), then it can't be Geno - doubly so if the final newcomer is first party like Masozi has been led to believe.
 

Dark Cloud

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Emily said she DISAGREES with everything Mystic said. Mystic said Geno and Isaac are in. That means Geno wouldn't be in.
 

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The characters that don't exist from the banner are Banjo and Mach Rider
The ATs are Chorus Kids, Isaac and Shadow
The only two real ones are Ken and Geno

To fit with the two missing characters from Emily, add Incineroar and that mysterious 1st party rep
 

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Emily said she DISAGREES with everything Mystic said. Mystic said Geno and Isaac are in. That means Geno wouldn't be in.
To be fair, Mystic has been flip flopping and it's not safe to assume everybody has kept up to date with their opinion. Isaac is the only one that has been consistent for Mystic so the only one I'd deconfirm from the info we've got so far.

The problem is that Emily suggested that the game contains multiple characters that aren't in the banner, which implies at least two. If we make the safest possible assumption (that being we get no more than two more newcomers), then it can't be Geno - doubly so if the final newcomer is first party like Masozi has been led to believe.
This just reads as this for me.

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You're drawing too big conclusions from too little and unrelated information.
 

Dark Cloud

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To be fair, Mystic has been flip flopping and it's not safe to assume everybody has kept up to date with their opinion. Isaac is the only one that has been consistent for Mystic so the only one I'd deconfirm from the info we've got so far.
Emily's been hanging around. I would assume she knows what Mystic said about Geno and Isaac being in.
 

TDLink

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How many small third party reps are even on the table? It's basically just Geno, haha.
For Square specifically? That would definitely be the smallest. Maybe a FF7 supporting character would be a bit bigger, but still qualify (ie, Tifa or Vincent). Or like... a Chocobo.

For Capcom there's a few options (like Phoenix Wright or Amaterasu).
 

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The characters that don't exist from the banner are Banjo and Mach Rider
The ATs are Chorus Kids, Isaac and Shadow
The only two real ones are Ken and Geno

To fit with the two missing characters from Emily, add Incineroar and that mysterious 1st party rep
But why would they not show Shadow as an assist until tomorrow? It doesn't make sense.
 

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Every piece of evidence for Geno being in comes with immediate evidence against him being in. This ride never ends, haha.
 

NotLiquid

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Emily disagreeing with Mystic completely makes me all the more confident that Geno isn't playable - at least as far as base roster is concerned.
 

Unknownlight

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For people saying Shadow is an Assist Trophy, are we imagining a souped-up AT like Alucard?

I can't see how Shadow is an AT. He's been missing from all gameplay footage, and the last Direct went out of its way to showcase Knuckles. I feel that Shadow is either playable or not in the game at all.
 
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Something tells me the "I'm kind of hoping you're not expecting too many new challengers" pic of Sakurai is going to get posted a lot after the direct tomorrow.
 
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Yeah, okay... time to let go of Isaac. Damn, I would've been totally over him from the start if it wasn't for the Grinch.

Don't really care about any other characters that are beibg discussed, but I'm still looking forward to whatever Spirits actually is.
 
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