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Apple October Event 2018 |OT| Wherein Apple Discovers a Time Zone Other Than PST
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The 2K guys said native res and keep in mind that the iPad Pro is still using an aluminium backplate to use as a de facto heatsink so the thermals are going to be a lot better than the iPhone and its glass back.
iOS doesn't run any swap at all.
Yeah I'm going to have a gripe about the prices (again, to no avail).
With the latest line of products, Apple now has two products which are what I would consider 'value' products across its lineup. Maybe 1.5. The regular 9.7 iPad at $329 and the $750 iPhone Xr which does a lot of the X/Xs can do for $250 off. Almost everything else is a 'premium'/'lifestyle' product, a product that offers design aesthetics and value beyond regular computer specs. I know - Apple Tax. But its been taken to new levels every single keynote. It's such a joke. In a world where $100 was the difference between failure and success of the latest console war, Apple has no problem raising their prices every year (with a smile).
The Macbook Air announced today is $1200 - almost the same as the starting price for the Macbook Pro, so users are literally left to choose between portability or power. There's no laptop under $1000 unless you consider the non retina macbook air. As a bare minimum i hope they make the next base iPad useable with a keyboard, but I don't even consider that a proper laptop until you can dualboot iOS/OSX which will probably never happen. I guess we'll never see under $1000 macbook again even though for users who just browse the internet/write a few documents/spreadsheets don't need all that much power. They could easily make a 1ghz, 4gb ram, 128gb SSD, 12" retina macbook air for $799, but that'd be a dumb business move. They know that the majority of macbook air purchasers don't care that much about specs or whether 1ghz or 1.6ghz can drive a word processor or safari.
The iPad Pro is double the price of the regular iPad, and almost triple if you consider 256gb ($949) as the most obvious starting point (can't see pro users going for the 64gb). The price is depressing, because for most casual users its hard to justify 3x the price when the regular iPad can do 80 maybe 90% of what the pro can do. People aren't priced out because of money, but priced out because the value proposition isn't there. Like the iPhone Xr/Xs debate, I don't see the additional $250 value (personally), but for the iPad its even harder to justify as a casual user that likes tech. Anyway, I know the iPad Pro are for professional, enthusiast and business users, but Apple's desperation to reach for higher price points is killing significant numbers of casual users.
Anyway in conclusion, at least there's an entry point for the iPads. The 9.7 inch iPad at $329 is pretty freaking good value. There's no Macbook entry level and I doubt there will be in the forseeable future which is a real shame.
It's gonna process until probably Saturday. If it says the 7th. It'll be the 7th.
So I assume the old 12.9 cases won't fit the new 12.9?
Is it possible they were actually using the 6 GB version in the demo?
Fuck I just realized I have a 128 GB iPad Pro 2015, wtf apple??
I like how they got rid of 128gb to force people to buy the 256gb version.
So damn pricey
I like how they got rid of 128gb to force people to buy the 256gb version.
So damn pricey
128 GB should be the base storage.
I don't want 64 but I'm not paying any more for more storage.
I know this was a long time ago in the thread, but I'd love to know if this is true.
Happens every time so it's clearly deliberate. The base storage is always too small and then the price hike to go up one tier is terrible value.
I think so. You might want to check via online for in store pickup the morning of release. They usually get extras, at least my store has.
There is a button at check out for trade in. Didnt diddle with it.
Which configuration did you order? The email I got said arriving on the 7th and I just checked the site because you scared me, still says 7th. I order when Lana started singing, got my email confirmation at 11:23am Eastern.
Looking closer at the new iPad Pros, it turns out that the 11" iPad Pro is not just larger; it's no longer 4:3 and is now approximately √2:1.
That is an improvement in my opinion, as ISO paper sizes are √2:1, but I think it's strange that only the smaller iPad was changed.
It also means that Apple have changed the display size in every iteration of the smaller iPad Pro so far.
I would like to see a bigger Pro in that aspect ratio, but it probably won't happen until we get truly edge-to-edge displays.
Around 14.4" would be required to match an A4 sheet of paper, but while the current bezels are thin, the device would end up being too large.
It still doesn't explain why they kept it 4:3 though. Perhaps increasing the resolution would be too much for the current display controller and would require a complete redesign.
The reason RAM generally doesn't matter too much for other tasks in iOS is because it's built for single-tasking (though they are expanding that now) and nearly all the memory is dedicated to the foreground app.
When an app uses too much memory, iOS kills it. People think the app is crashing, but that's often not the case:
Adobe get around this limitation by having decades of experience building applications to handle big files that won't fit in RAM, rather than relying on the operating system's memory management. If I'm not mistaken, Photoshop existed before the Mac even had virtual memory.
Few if any other developers on iOS seem to have figured out a good solution for it, which would imply that it's a non-trivial problem to solve.
Again: if anyone here has a current iPad Pro with 4GB RAM, ideally 12.9", how many layers does Procreate support for a 420x297mm canvas (A3) at 300 DPI?
On my iPhone 7+ which has 3GB RAM and a much lower resolution display, it can only handle 7 layers.
That is an improvement in my opinion, as ISO paper sizes are √2:1, but I think it's strange that only the smaller iPad was changed.
It also means that Apple have changed the display size in every iteration of the smaller iPad Pro so far.
I would like to see a bigger Pro in that aspect ratio, but it probably won't happen until we get truly edge-to-edge displays.
Around 14.4" would be required to match an A4 sheet of paper, but while the current bezels are thin, the device would end up being too large.
It still doesn't explain why they kept it 4:3 though. Perhaps increasing the resolution would be too much for the current display controller and would require a complete redesign.
I agree that the iPad Pro is a much better device, but that's a bit of an exaggeration - the MobileStudio Pro 13 starts at $1500 (with 8GB RAM), while the maxed-out iPad Pro is $1900.
It has major consequences for the audience that Apple are specifically marketing the iPad Pros towards: artists.
The reason RAM generally doesn't matter too much for other tasks in iOS is because it's built for single-tasking (though they are expanding that now) and nearly all the memory is dedicated to the foreground app.
When an app uses too much memory, iOS kills it. People think the app is crashing, but that's often not the case:
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/ManagingMemory/Articles/AboutMemory.html said:
It's a nice theory, but iOS does not support a swap file. It will kill the app if it tries to use too much memory (see above).
Adobe get around this limitation by having decades of experience building applications to handle big files that won't fit in RAM, rather than relying on the operating system's memory management. If I'm not mistaken, Photoshop existed before the Mac even had virtual memory.
Few if any other developers on iOS seem to have figured out a good solution for it, which would imply that it's a non-trivial problem to solve.
Again: if anyone here has a current iPad Pro with 4GB RAM, ideally 12.9", how many layers does Procreate support for a 420x297mm canvas (A3) at 300 DPI?
On my iPhone 7+ which has 3GB RAM and a much lower resolution display, it can only handle 7 layers.
Very tempted to buy this but might just wait it out till WWDC to see what they have in store for iOS 13. USB C must be a prelude to something more than the current barebones support for external peripherals. Might be able to get a better deal by then as well.
Better, but but still not great. I'm guessing its the same song and dance as running games on the existing iPad Pro models, where although you get a wide aluminum backplate, in reality you get hotspots at the chipset and the battery warms up the rest of the back pretty evenly by itself.
Sorry, I didn't want to say iOS had a swap file, but that as a developer you could roll your own since the architecture is fast. Obviously there's more work involved, and there are the temp directory issues with storage, but the basic idea is to leverage storage rather than load to memory. But to go with a previous post it's obviously a lot easier for Adobe than others to put engineers on that.
The big question I have is if Apple has really loosened the storage limits on iOS yet? One of the secret reasons full retail games have flopped is that from top-to-bottom Apple has never really endorsed the idea of games bigger than 10GB. It's always been workarounds and potentially losing part of the download.
EDIT: Pargon, thanks for that reply, I haven't looked too closely at the iOS memory manager spec in awhile. I can try the procreate test at home tonight with my iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 1 and see what happens.
I have a 2014, 13 inch MPB, 256 SSD and 8GB RAM. (Standard)
The battery needs replacement and the ram is starting to feel a little limited. Current trade in value is around $400 (but I can probably sell it for more outside of trade in if I wanted).
Is getting a new Air model worth it instead of the newer MPB models? I can't upgrade the RAM and a battery replacement is 200 USD. I get a $100 student discount to start with.
The battery needs replacement and the ram is starting to feel a little limited. Current trade in value is around $400 (but I can probably sell it for more outside of trade in if I wanted).
Is getting a new Air model worth it instead of the newer MPB models? I can't upgrade the RAM and a battery replacement is 200 USD. I get a $100 student discount to start with.
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It's true. It was buried during WWDC but it's a thing.
12.9" Space Gray 512GB LTE. I ordered at 11:49 AM EST
You'd be better off getting the MacBook Pro non-touch bar models. Only benefit to the MacBook Air would be the longer battery life and a fingerprint reader; otherwise for $100 more you get a much more performant machine.
Hmmm, damn it fucking sucks. I know I need more RAM, but I'm basically spending like a 1100 for basically the same laptop... but with 8 more GB of RAM
Also, apparently my current battery has gone through 2000+ full cycles. Not really sure how this thing is still functioning.
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Doesn't seem like it, but I suppose the main selling point of the 12.9 inch iPad Pro is that it has a bigger screen that happens to be about the size of a piece of paper (which I guess is good for note-taking). I feel like you'd get by just fine with the 11 inch model. But of course, that's just me.
Because the Mini is only offered in 128GB for some insane reason.
I mean, if it was OLED, we probably wouldn't have that 120Hz display.
I recall rumors stating that the new iPad Pro was made with iOS 13 in mind. If they can bring it even closer to laptop usability & somehow bring Xcode to the iPad Pro, I might actually bite. Outside of browsing, I currently use my MacBook Pro for programming & editing properties of my songs (album art, fixing album listings, etc.). It'd be nice if the iPad Pro can at least come close to fulfilling those needs for me.
Wasn't sure if i wanted a new tablet. I have ipad air 2 that has done really well these last 4 years. I can't remember what i paid for the thing.
When i look at the new 11 inch ipad pro, it seems like crazy overkill for me.
And i'm now interested in the pencil and keyboard. That would add another $400 to the price. All so i can pretend i'm someone creative and interesting that won't just browse the internet while on the can.
It's tough, 1400 would buy a big video card for my pc, but i definitely use my ipad more than my pc i think.
When i look at the new 11 inch ipad pro, it seems like crazy overkill for me.
And i'm now interested in the pencil and keyboard. That would add another $400 to the price. All so i can pretend i'm someone creative and interesting that won't just browse the internet while on the can.
It's tough, 1400 would buy a big video card for my pc, but i definitely use my ipad more than my pc i think.
They're pushing users towards the mass market $329 32gb ipad.
Autocad and AR purposes makes it very interesting in architecture, healthcare, product design.
I broke down and bought the 11" ipad, I'll sell my 10.5. I use my iPad at work a lot so I feel it's worth it. In store pickup at Best Buy since Apple showed a date later than the 7th.
I believe it is. Mac Pro cost like 3 times as much and it's not exactly better performing, actually I think the i5 in mini is better or as good, I'm not sure but there shouldn't be a huge difference.
You can add a GPU with a TB3 enclosure for about $200+cost of the card if you need it and you still end up at about half of Mac Pro with the much better upgrade path in future. It's not cheap but it's by far the cheapest way to get a good macOS workstation.
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Mac mini is certainly more expensive than I wanted to see but my mid-2011 is basically a beachball machine. Now I just have to decide which model...
As for iPads...I'd really like to get an 11" Pro as my main computing device. I need to give that some serious thought though and take the emotion out of the purchase. I'll have to come to terms with what the value of it over a standard iPad is for my use case, which involves no professional use for it whatsoever, and no hobby drawing, etc. either.
As for iPads...I'd really like to get an 11" Pro as my main computing device. I need to give that some serious thought though and take the emotion out of the purchase. I'll have to come to terms with what the value of it over a standard iPad is for my use case, which involves no professional use for it whatsoever, and no hobby drawing, etc. either.
I wonder what next year's 9.7" iPad is going to look like? They seem to be pushing to get rid of the home button fast, that old iPad Air design can't stick around forever
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I think there's no way they give it Face ID if they want to keep it at a far lower price. It's one of the key differentiators of the regular/Pro line, now that the regular line has Apple Pencil support.
They could just remove Touch ID...
Wouldn't be the first time they have downgraded a product.
Wouldn't be the first time they have downgraded a product.
I doubt it'll get Face ID next year, but at the same time it's just hard to imagine them making a new iPad with a home button now that the whole iPad UI seems designed around gestures. Touch ID is pretty much the only function the home button serves on an iPad now.
Similar though - I'm surprised that all the Macs have stuck with Touch ID. I would think FaceID would be very easy to implement in anything with an iSight camera. Yes, it's a completely different module/component, but the space is there - and I'd argue face unlock across all devices is preferrable that an old-school button on some.
Personally, I don't think the entry-level iPad will get an update at all next year. I bet we skip a year, then get FaceID the year following with a small bump in specs, smaller bezels (but maybe keep the 9.7"?), and price goes from $329 to $349 to follow other apple pricing trends.