Yeah I might just have to put one on my Best Buy card after I play with the keyboard.
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Disappointed with the iPad Pro increase. Was considering a purchase one of the larger versions (12.9")for when I'm returning to college in a year's time to go paperless but the price increase has just about pushed it into 'hold off' territory in the absence of being able to try one; €1130 before any discounts is just too much when the pencil is an additional expense.
I dont really understand the target market for the ipad pro either, like digital artists? It's complete overkill as a general purpose tablet.
They're using desktop CPUs in this mini (for the first time!), which aren't available in Iris or Vega variants. They'd have to use a separate dGPU.
I feel like they could probably offer one with the dGPUs used in the 15" MBP, not sure why they aren't. Power supply limitations? The CPU is drawing a lot more power this year compared to prior minis.
Unless you're a creative professional, the 12.9" might be overkill. It's a bit unweildy to carry around, and it doesn't function well as a "notes" machine. The 11" iPad is perfect as a middle ground if screen real estate isn't critical to your functions.
Intel has made Iris desktop chips before but yeah I guess it'd have to be pretty custom these days.
I've gone into detail before, but a million times yes; it's for digital artists/professionals. In my industry, Wacom has got us by the balls with their exorbitant prices and stagnation of tech and products. Apple comes for Wacom's jugular with the Pro; we pretty much consider it a goddamn savior. The last Pro took my previous studio by storm to the point that our entire department's tech budget was redirected to integrate the Pro into the pipeline with their proprietary software. Other colleagues at other studios felt the same.
To put it into perspective, you could get a maxed out 1TB Cellular 12.9 iPad Pro, and it's price total is still nearly half of the equivalent Wacom portable machine that weighs nearly double and is about as powerful as a mid-level laptop from three years ago. With a battery of about 3 1/2 hours. And the latest portability/pencil/formfactor updates etch it further into an "artist's dream machine" territory. There is a reason it has a Pro in it's name, as it's meant for artistic/creative professionals/enthusiasts. This is not a machine for the average consumer; it's beyond overkill for them. That's what the regular iPads are for.
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They actually mentioned it alongside the regular iPad, so it's entirely possible they'll get updated in the spring.
I was really looking forward to the new iPad but damn it's expensive.
Now I'm thinking about buying the current 12.9" model which can be found for a lot less money. Sure, the design of the new one looks really nice but it costs the same as a decent notebook!
Now I'm thinking about buying the current 12.9" model which can be found for a lot less money. Sure, the design of the new one looks really nice but it costs the same as a decent notebook!
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I'd also like to expand this to students as well. I draw purely as a hobby, but the iPad Pro line has been my main college computer for years now. The ability to write on top of the professor's notes in addition to being essentially paperless has been a dream. Especially helpful if you do any kind of math, because trying to type out equations is a recipe for frustration. There are still certain things I need a Mac for, like this stats class I'm in uses a program called JMP which doesn't have an iPad version. However my college hosts VMs that are accessible through Citrix, so anything I need to get done that my iPad can't handle I just remote in and get it done.
Hell, I've even edited video projects on it using LumaFusion before, no problem whatsoever.
Yes? It's incredible for that
And also students who want to replace their laptop with a big iPad and be able to write on it.
I added that, the keyboard folio, and the new pencil, with taxes, mine came out at $2407 in the USA.
Apple need to give Ipad a new OS that can work as macOS + tabletOS based on what the user desires, similar to how Microsoft does it with their Surface products and Win10. Right now the Ipad doesn't replace my macbook and I don't see any point in getting it.
I guess they don't want to cannibalize their two product lines.
I guess they don't want to cannibalize their two product lines.
Very nicely put. A lot of people don't understand how in the drawing tablet market, that this is a great price for the performance and form factor we get. I'm still blown away at what Apple is bringing to the table compared to similar Wacom products.
Im still very irritated by the ram differences. If I cancel my 512gb model I have to wait longer now too. :(
Yeah if you simply add the pencil (which is almost essential once you get to that point) it is literally a $3K+ investment.
It's clearly not aimed at simple home use even if you just got for the cheapest option.
For real? I thought they were mobile processors with the B suffix. 8500B and 8700B vs. 8500 and 8700 desktop.
yeah its meant for digital artist who will use it to make money or have money. You can get a regular Ipad with pencil for like $420 and it would have like 90% of the same capabilities?
My assumption is because it's a full body cover. But still it cost more than the leather cover for the 10.5 Pro. Got damn shame.
They're the same processor, B just means it's soldered to the board.
They're all 65W chips, where the last mini used 15W and 28W.
Welp...
I've been debating all day which one to get. Color means a bit less to me - really between the 11 vs the 12.9. Back and forth, back and forth. I just got home and saw every single model is shipping later now except for this one still scheduled for Wed; said "screw it," and made my decision more easily.
I'll definitely check out the 12.9 in store, and very well might do an exchange. We'll see.
This means my iPad choices have been - iPad Retina (3rd gen; hot trash... bad time to jump in) -> iPad 4th gen -> iPad Air -> iPad Pro 9.7 (current) -> iPad Pro 11
Wish they had gold to match my new gold XS Max and SS AW4.
I've been debating all day which one to get. Color means a bit less to me - really between the 11 vs the 12.9. Back and forth, back and forth. I just got home and saw every single model is shipping later now except for this one still scheduled for Wed; said "screw it," and made my decision more easily.
I'll definitely check out the 12.9 in store, and very well might do an exchange. We'll see.
This means my iPad choices have been - iPad Retina (3rd gen; hot trash... bad time to jump in) -> iPad 4th gen -> iPad Air -> iPad Pro 9.7 (current) -> iPad Pro 11
Wish they had gold to match my new gold XS Max and SS AW4.
I think Apple is gun shy about porting its pro apps to the pro ipad. I would edit video on the big ipad if i knew if it was as fast as the imac pro.
It's odd to me that if digital artists are one of Apple's main target audience for the pro, that they didn't bump up the RAM (across the board, not just in the $1800 model).
Coming in late here... but the MacBook Air is pretty disappointing, isn't it. Sure, if you have an ageing MBA (like me) and you're looking to update, the new one will probably do; you'll get a nice display, after all.
But it's just not the insta-no-brainer purchase that it could have been. We all know the Air isn't meant to be a pro machine, but surely you can include a better CPU than this. And £1199/1399 is just totally out of control. What even is Apple's pricing these days. lol.
But it's just not the insta-no-brainer purchase that it could have been. We all know the Air isn't meant to be a pro machine, but surely you can include a better CPU than this. And £1199/1399 is just totally out of control. What even is Apple's pricing these days. lol.
Thanks for the explanation. Also, I just watched the keynote and I didn't realize they closed it out with a Lana del Rey performance. Incredible! That adds to the announcement of the new Mac mini and makes things 100% better.
It is the seemingly the biggest bottleneck I can point to. But again, even with the 4 gigs of ram, the previous pro functioned without issue in our studio-wide pipeline test. Photoshop handling a 3gig, 150+ layer file at 12000*12000 in their live demo, illustrates a very high ceiling for the work many artists will be doing. I can only imagine that other programs will carve out similar performance, so the amount of RAM doesn't really concern me in this instance. There may be more efficient memory management going on behind the scenes than we're used to in desktop, so I'm not so certain they can be compared so easily, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Man everyone getting launch day delivery and mine got pushed to November 15-20 almost immediately
Best Buy has the 2018 iPad Pros available for pre-order: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/...104&loc=BODY&CampaignID=945874&eut=2393754386
I dunno, the iPad Air/iPad mini 2 and iPhone 6 are hurting pretty bad these days due to lack of RAM.
Are iPad accessories available in store already, or will I need to wait until next week the 7th?
When did you guys order? Mine says delivery on the 7th, but it's still processing. So I don't know whether to believe that date or not.
When did you guys order? Mine says delivery on the 7th, but it's still processing. So I don't know whether to believe that date or not.
I'll probably get the $1099 Mac Mini next year with the upgraded CPU, 10GigE, and will upgrade the RAM later (thank goodness).
iPads and MBA are solid updates, but are not for me.
iPads and MBA are solid updates, but are not for me.
ugh I was debating going with a mini after this desktop dies, but 799 is not the direction I wanted the pricing to go in
I mean... they have 1 gig of ram to the Pro's 4. Doesn't really seem comparable. The Pro's with 4 from last gen are still performing fine to the point that many on this very thread will just stick to those or buy them instead of the new one.
I ordered the second the store came back up and I have Nov 7th delivery. Apple is usually pretty damn good at meeting or beating commitments. It's not uncommon for delivery dates to be pushed forwards on release.
True, but one was released 5 years ago (iPad Air) and the other was panned pretty universally for the amount of RAM on release (iPhone 6).
3:20 PM. I'm also curious, is there any risk of the pencil selling out? I couldn't afford it today and am planning on grabbing it next paycheck.
RAM requirements only go up with time. 4GB is fine today, but as iOS gets more and more Computer-Like it's only going to become more of an issue. You tried using a Mac with 4GB of RAM lately?
I'm pretty skeptical about the NBA demo? I mean, it looks great. But I do wonder [1] what resolution is it rendering at and [2] what happens to the thermal envelope? Plenty of nice looking games out there that can turn phones/tablets into torches.
What some people don't realize is that Apple tends to spend more on their storage solution to offset memory. RAM is historically a volatile market and the quantity per $ is always lower, so it makes a lot of sense to instead rely on more hardcore OS memory management and then have a highly capable swap-file, or simply read direct from "disk". These flash solutions aren't MicroSD - they have more in common with a high-end NVME solution. So it's really not apples-to-apples against any random tablet that is trying to show off; your disk subsystem and performance matters. A lot.
I won't argue against more RAM, but at some point you really need software that justifies it, or you're just shipping 10GB devices were by EOL only 2-3 GB was ever touched.
Apple's tendency to not offer 16GB models on MacOS has always been the more egregious to me; for the pro Mac market 16GB is very appealing, and in the past they have basically said "BTO or 15"!"
What some people don't realize is that Apple tends to spend more on their storage solution to offset memory. RAM is historically a volatile market and the quantity per $ is always lower, so it makes a lot of sense to instead rely on more hardcore OS memory management and then have a highly capable swap-file, or simply read direct from "disk". These flash solutions aren't MicroSD - they have more in common with a high-end NVME solution. So it's really not apples-to-apples against any random tablet that is trying to show off; your disk subsystem and performance matters. A lot.
I won't argue against more RAM, but at some point you really need software that justifies it, or you're just shipping 10GB devices were by EOL only 2-3 GB was ever touched.
Apple's tendency to not offer 16GB models on MacOS has always been the more egregious to me; for the pro Mac market 16GB is very appealing, and in the past they have basically said "BTO or 15"!"