The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina |OT - Part 3| The Teenage Doom Slayer

Xiaomi · Oct 29, 2018

Dream Machine said:
The dream demon was sooooooo full on Buffy/Star Trek TNG makeup out of nowhere. I wish they had lit that character differently. It felt like a different kind of goofy than the rest of the show had been. If there was ever a time for the incredibly excessive blurriness and chromatic aberration, a dream demon was it, but instead that character was shot crystal clear and just looked like someone working at a haunted house.

Yeah, a few of the practical makeup/costume designs were early-2000s Buffy quality, which was unfortunate. Especially

the pale rider, who should have just been a spooky skeleton, but was some dude in a rubber skeleton mask.

I typically support practical effects, but there are some cases where CG should be used to enhance the scariness. I think eyes have a lot to do with it; if I can see the creature has normal eyes and pupils, it's much less likely to be scary to me, and more like "this is a person in a Halloween costume."

Extra Sauce · Oct 29, 2018

The whole abusive dad forcing Harvey to work a job in the mines thing is unbearably corny right now.

Zacmortar · Oct 29, 2018

Pet said:
Well witches have always been associated with feminism to some degree.

I mean a LOT of women were accused of being witches because they spoke their mind or were too educated or whatever. There's going to be strong elements of feminism in this because the whole idea of witches is sadly, inherently misogynist.

Which imo isnt handled greatly here. The show talks about female empowerment, but the leader that most of the witches kiss ass to just so happens to be one of the few magic dudes, and thats not even touching Satan himself and how Wardwell acts all "Girl Power!" but whose goal is to literally just kiss demon guy ass even harder. It's really backward, and it doesnt come across as intentional as much as it should, if they were trying to say something with that lol.

Dream Machine · Oct 29, 2018

Zacmortar said:
Which imo isnt handled greatly here. The show talks about female empowerment, but the leader that most of the witches kiss ass to just so happens to be one of the few magic dudes, and thats not even touching Satan himself and how Wardwell acts all "Girl Power!" but whose goal is to literally just kiss demon guy ass even harder. It's really backward, and it doesnt come across as intentional as much as it should, if they were trying to say something with that lol.

Wardwell isn't "girl power!", she's just manipulating Sabrina and her friends to her own ends to ingratiate herself and eventually secure more power for herself.

They do mention "he is a man, after all" when Sabrina is complaining about having to choose between power and freedom, and that Satan doesn't grant witches both.

RatskyWatsky · Oct 29, 2018

Extra Sauce said:
The whole abusive dad forcing Harvey to work a job in the mines thing is unbearably corny right now.

TOXIC MASCULINITY

Geode · Oct 29, 2018

I must say I was hesitant to watch this show since I heard it wasn't going to be similar to the 90s show. I'm glad I got over that and gave it shot. I binged watched it this weekend and really enjoyed it. I can't wait for the next part to come out. For those that can't get into this version, the 90s show is on Amazon Prime Video for you to enjoy.

Also, I'm glad most of her friends know she's a witch. That way they can get away from the 90s' show of plots revolving around Sabrina trying to keep her powers secret every week.

Pet · Oct 29, 2018

Zacmortar said:
Which imo isnt handled greatly here. The show talks about female empowerment, but the leader that most of the witches kiss ass to just so happens to be one of the few magic dudes, and thats not even touching Satan himself and how Wardwell acts all "Girl Power!" but whose goal is to literally just kiss demon guy ass even harder. It's really backward, and it doesnt come across as intentional as much as it should, if they were trying to say something with that lol.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm not sure if the High Priest being a dude was on purpose, but I do think they quipped a lot about Satan being a man.

Wardwell is just doing it for show for Sabrina, though. That part should be pretty obvious.

Khanimus · Oct 29, 2018

Forced myself to sit through the second episode. I don't know what the fuck this show is supposed to be good at.

It fucking sucks at writing teens. It's socially aware in that they think ending every point in #woke makes nuanced storytelling. It's neither committed to making the horror horrifying, nor is it fun and glib in the face of it to be entertaining. Like that scene with the tree in the first episode was great, and granted you can't always do that, but it was atleast something.

I'll say the production design looks nice. ...So... that's something. Real shame I can't fucking see it because of their shitty focus effect to indicate "when the magic is happening" which... ugh. It's awful to look at.

Want a great period-piece show that comments on feminism and has the chops to tackle social inequality? Check out GLOW. GLOW is fucking great. Wanna watch moody oppressive horror? Haunting of Hill House just came out. It's good. Or hell, that first season of Legion sure was a trip and made on a shoestring budget, but god damn, they sure make a shot of a fucking beagle feel absolutely menacing. Want glibness in the face of cosmic or satanic horror? Watch Ghostbusters. Or Gravity Falls.

I can atleast laugh at when I'm called into the room to see how bad Riverdale is. I'm just fucking bored watching Sabrina. I really enjoyed the comic, but christ, what a fucking waste. Anyone that isn't Miranda Otto just doesnt know what this show is supposed to be.

I KILL PXLS · Oct 29, 2018

Poodlestrike said:
Well, Ambrose is said to have traveled around Europe a lot, he could've picked up the accent. Hilda, I dunno.

Hilda at one point mentions being present for Queen Victoria's coronation.

But yeah, I also have some questions about their ages.

Also another small thing:

Zelda mentions a Spellman has never been summoned to the court or something while Ambrose is literally sitting there on house arrest for trying to blow up the Vatican. Oversight or am I missing something there?

cj_iwakura · Oct 29, 2018

Episode 3? Find the largest scales!

If she weighs the same... as a duck...

Namtab · Oct 29, 2018

I KILL PXLS said:
Hilda at one point mentions being present for Queen Victoria's coronation.

But yeah, I also have some questions about their ages.

Also another small thing:

Zelda mentions a Spellman has never been summoned to the court or something while Ambrose is literally sitting there on house arrest for trying to blow up the Vatican. Oversight or am I missing something there?

Sounds like an oversight.

cj_iwakura · Oct 29, 2018

The show is very well made, but it does feel kind of tonally all over the place. Still enjoyable, but it seems like it's trying to wear too many hats at once.

Really nails the occult tone, though. Definitely loses some of the tension from the comic, especially Madame Satan. Not nearly as terrifying here.

Dream Machine · Oct 29, 2018

After the Haunting of Hill House and now Sabrina, I'm contemplating living in a remodeled mortuary.

Deleted member 1656 · Oct 29, 2018

Dream Machine said:
After the Haunting of Hill House and now Sabrina, I'm contemplating living in a remodeled mortuary.

You'll need to trick out a hearse too in order to complete the fashion statement

Kino · Oct 29, 2018

How exactly is Ambrose related to sabrina? He's sabrina's cousin, but he's not the child of Zelda or Hilda, so I'm guessing he's from the extended family?

Dream Machine · Oct 29, 2018

Kino said:
How exactly is Ambrose related to sabrina? He's sabrina's cousin, but he's not the child of Zelda or Hilda, so I'm guessing he's from the extended family?

I wondered that too. Second or third cousin probably.

Zero315 · Oct 29, 2018

PlanetSmasher said:
Yeah, I was mostly expecting that and nothing more direct. It's just funny to imagine all this stuff is happening right next door. The Gargoyle King would fit right in.

There actually is a crossover in the show besides the mentions. Just a warning though, the link contains spoilers for Riverdale: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a24268947/riverdale-sabrina-crossover-ben-theory/

Jiggy · Oct 30, 2018

Extra Sauce said:
The whole abusive dad forcing Harvey to work a job in the mines thing is unbearably corny right now.

The human characters and subplots don't work at all

The show goes from a 7 to like a 3 every time we switch focus to them

WrenchNinja · Oct 30, 2018

Mengetsu said:
Kiernan Shipka Explains Why Salem Doesn't Talk in 'Chilling Adventures of Sabrina'.

That's barely an explanation

a Master Ninja · Oct 30, 2018

This show gave a shout-out to Svengoolie, the greatest horror host, so I won't be too critical of it.

effingvic · Oct 30, 2018

Episode 8 was pretty good. First half was super boring (I really dont care about mortal stuff) but the second half was rad. Plan was genius. I wasn't ready for Sabrina to go so dark but they had me fooled.

Of course it probably failed big time.

Medalion · Oct 30, 2018

Ep 7 done

Wow that escalated quickly... ritualistic cannibalism
bastard children
more voodo doll shennigans

Prototype Viktor · Oct 30, 2018

Need a adult Clarissa Explains it all and she's a pansexual public defender

Then The Secret World of Alex Mack but she's a vampire but need water to survive

mantidor · Oct 30, 2018

Zacmortar said:
Which imo isnt handled greatly here. The show talks about female empowerment, but the leader that most of the witches kiss ass to just so happens to be one of the few magic dudes, and thats not even touching Satan himself and how Wardwell acts all "Girl Power!" but whose goal is to literally just kiss demon guy ass even harder. It's really backward, and it doesnt come across as intentional as much as it should, if they were trying to say something with that lol.

That is kind of the point, Madam Satan is the perfect opposite.

Because she wants just power at the sacrifice of her freedom, while Sabrina wants both freedom and power, and when she says that Prudence tells her she'll never get it, because the Dark Lord is a man, he is the ultimate antagonist of the story.

Same thing with Zelda saving the female twin. The witch world is still very patriarchal, all warlocks surrounding the new male heir chanting hail satan is hardly subtle about it, and Sabrina kind of wants it to turn it upside down, from saving Prudence from the sacrifice (that was all female by the way) to defeat Faustus and ultimately the dark lord himself.

Goonie · Oct 30, 2018

Prototype Viktor said:
Need a adult Clarissa Explains it all and she's a pansexual Publix defender

Then The Secret World of Alex Mack but she's a vampire but need water to survive

Would she only defend the grocery chain or

Anthony Mooch · Oct 30, 2018

https://youtu.be/q9ZADzr5fZs

Lmao at the #notmysabrina

Jombie · Oct 30, 2018

#notmysatan.

funky · Oct 30, 2018

Anthony Mooch said:
https://youtu.be/q9ZADzr5fZs

Lmao at the #notmysabrina

Harvey looking like he plays in a folk band at the local bar every Tuesday night with the boys.

Aktlys · Oct 30, 2018

Anthony Mooch said:
https://youtu.be/q9ZADzr5fZs

Lmao at the #notmysabrina

man, only Harvey has aged badly...
they could do a parallel universe crossover!

Prototype Viktor · Oct 30, 2018

Goonie said:
Would she only defend the grocery chain or

lol i don't even know why my auto correct would change it to that i've never typed, seen or been to a Publix

Xiaomi · Oct 30, 2018

Thinking about Sabrina's exhibited powers so far, she seems kind of OP for a beginner which with little or no formal training. We've seen:

Low-level telekinesis (turning on the jukebox)
Telepathy with familiars (Salem, the spiders)
Mind-wiping abilities
Summoning other witches
Invisibility (with help from others)
Creating illusions of other people (possibly the Weird Sisters' doing)
Astral projection (for a limited time, and with help at first, but later by herself, even into dreams)
Exorcism of demons
Divine protection
Resurrection (with help)
Storm raising (with help)
Pyromancy (after signing the book)
Teleportation (after signing the book)

and yet, it makes me frustrated that, as often as she breaks the "don't interfere in mortal affairs" rule, she didn't seem to think of intervening and solving

Roz's blindness curse.

Zero315 · Oct 30, 2018

Xiaomi said:
Thinking about Sabrina's exhibited powers so far, she seems kind of OP for a beginner which with little or no formal training. We've seen:

Low-level telekinesis (turning on the jukebox)
Telepathy with familiars (Salem, the spiders)
Mind-wiping abilities
Summoning other witches
Invisibility (with help from others)
Creating illusions of other people (possibly the Weird Sisters' doing)
Astral projection (for a limited time, and with help at first, but later by herself, even into dreams)
Exorcism of demons
Divine protection
Resurrection (with help)
Storm raising (with help)
Pyromancy (after signing the book)
Teleportation (after signing the book)

and yet, it makes me frustrated that, as often as she breaks the "don't interfere in mortal affairs" rule, she didn't seem to think of intervening and solving

Roz's blindness curse.

Several characters made note of how powerful Sabrina is, and I'm assuming the Aunties and Ambrose have been teaching her stuff.

As for Roz's curse, I'm assuming she wouldn't have been powerful enough pre-signing to break it. Also though, I'm speculating that they're setting up a team of supernatural adjacent characters to help her fight the warlocks and the dark lord. Roz with the cunning, Susie being able to communicate with the dead or whatever is going on with her, and Harvey tapping into some witch hunter stuff.

TheForgotten · Oct 30, 2018

I finished watching it last night. It was ok.

Some of the things went nowhere, and others were just pointless. Episode structure was shit like alot of Netflix shows [but thats its own thread]

Salem not talking other than the first scene before he was a cat was a dumb decision. Sabrina and Ambrose can both understand him, So why not have him talk. In the earlier episodes i wish he talked and had some dark humor jokes just to lighten up the tone a bit.
Harvey's family was just shit. and most of the stuff involving them could of easily been cut.
The whole story being about Sabrina going against the Dark Lord and then ending with her signing the book i didnt like.

Given they are already filming Season 2 i dont expect too much to chance to appease fans since the episodes would of already been written.

Kuro · Oct 30, 2018

Anthony Mooch said:
https://youtu.be/q9ZADzr5fZs

Lmao at the #notmysabrina

Man the aunts still look damn good. I still have the hots for Zelda.

Zacmortar · Oct 30, 2018

Pet said:
We'll see how it plays out. I'm not sure if the High Priest being a dude was on purpose, but I do think they quipped a lot about Satan being a man.

Wardwell is just doing it for show for Sabrina, though. That part should be pretty obvious.

It is, i mean more in that shes very obviously being portrayed as a strong female villain, but everything she does is for Satan, which ruins the point imo.

Zacmortar · Oct 30, 2018

mantidor said:
That is kind of the point, Madam Satan is the perfect opposite.

Because she wants just power at the sacrifice of her freedom, while Sabrina wants both freedom and power, and when she says that Prudence tells her she'll never get it, because the Dark Lord is a man, he is the ultimate antagonist of the story.

Same thing with Zelda saving the female twin. The witch world is still very patriarchal, all warlocks surrounding the new male heir chanting hail satan is hardly subtle about it, and Sabrina kind of wants it to turn it upside down, from saving Prudence from the sacrifice (that was all female by the way) to defeat Faustus and ultimately the dark lord himself.

Zelda

saving the twin comes out of nowhere after spending most of the season kissing Blackwoods ass and sleeping with him. Its really badly written.

shinra-bansho · Oct 30, 2018

Aunt Zelda has not aged.
May be actual witch.

Nothing Loud · Oct 30, 2018

Zacmortar said:
Zelda

saving the twin comes out of nowhere after spending most of the season kissing Blackwoods ass and sleeping with him. Its really badly written.

Not really. They spent a lot of the season explaining

that the High Priest really only wants a male heir, and he abandoned his female heirs (Prudence), so Zelda didn't want the same to happen to her after she found out there was a girl. Up to that point, it was thought there were only twin boys coming, and it wasn't until a later episode that it was revealed that the High Priest had disowned Prudence.

Ponn · Oct 30, 2018

I went into this pretty blind. I was not expecting it to be so dark. That was jarring at first but I rather enjoyed it. It's different in an even darker Supernatural way. And I appreciate that, not like there's an abundance of dark occult shows. I'll be tuning in for season 2.

Ravelle · Oct 30, 2018

Harvey is such a paper bag compared to Sabrina, her strong character really doesn't mesh well with how not much of a character Harvey is.

Prototype Viktor · Oct 30, 2018

Aktlys said:
Watched the season

Felt like they never explained why Sabrina is supposed to be powerful, except her father being hot shit... seems like she has limited training and only know spells when she needs to get something done.
Why is she (and other warlocks and witches) so shocked at the traditions and stuff that happens during the show... She has been raised in their culture since an infant...

The show need better writers

i think it's just a combination of her parents + when she was born and the cosmic event of her 16th birthday

Medalion · Oct 30, 2018

Season 2... Salem will talk, or at least, we'll be able to understand it... it'd better

Macadinho94 · Oct 30, 2018

Started rewatching Riverdale with my girlfriend as she hasn't seen it and loved Sabrina. In the first few episodes "Madam Satan" and Greendale already get referenced

Pilgrimzero · Oct 30, 2018

I haven't finished it yet but the kid "Nick Scratch" isn't obviously Satan in dosguise due to that name I'll be shocked.

Old Nick and Mr. Scratch being alternate names for the devil.

Deleted member 33 · Oct 30, 2018

I watched the first episode and it was enjoyable. Will try to binge through the rest throughout the week.

Kiernan Shipka is great as Sabrina. And visually, the show has an interesting look to it.

PlanetSmasher · Oct 30, 2018

Emily said:
I watched the first episode and it was enjoyable. Will try to binge through the rest throughout the week.

Kiernan Shipka is great as Sabrina. And visually, the show has an interesting look to it.

Prepare yourself, it's an oddly tough show to binge. I've only seen two or three episodes and yet I feel like I've seen four or five. Something about the pacing just makes the episodes feel long - it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a feeling I find it hard to escape.

Deleted member 33 · Oct 30, 2018

PlanetSmasher said:
Prepare yourself, it's an oddly tough show to binge. I've only seen two or three episodes and yet I feel like I've seen four or five. Something about the pacing just makes the episodes feel long - it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a feeling I find it hard to escape.

Yeah, I definitely see what you mean. The first episode was literally a full hour, and episodes two and three are 57 minutes each.

Mirage · Oct 30, 2018

Pilgrimzero said:
I haven't finished it yet but the kid "Nick Scratch" isn't obviously Satan in dosguise due to that name I'll be shocked.

Old Nick and Mr. Scratch being alternate names for the devil.

That name is way too obvious for something not to be up with him.

Medalion · Oct 30, 2018

I would love to see this world crossover with other fictional worlds that have magic or powers

Get that final match between Kiernan Shipkva vs Emma Watson

Jombie · Oct 30, 2018

It went downhill for me after the first episode. First season has no clue what its identity is.

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