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"Legend has it that one day the truth and the lie crossed"
-Good day. He told the lie.
-Good Morning. He answered the truth.
-Beautiful day. He told the lie.
Then the truth leaned out to see if it was true. It was.
-Beautiful day. Then he told the truth.
-The lake is even more beautiful. He told the lie.
Then the truth looked toward the lake and saw that the lie told the truth and nodded.
He ran the lie to the water and said ... -The water is even more beautiful. We swim.
The truth touched the water with his fingers and really was beautiful and trusted the lie.
Both took off their clothes and swam calmly.
A while later the lie came out, dressed in the clothes of truth and left.
The truth, unable to dress in the clothes of the lie began to walk without clothes and everyone was horrified to see it.
This is how even today people prefer to accept the lie disguised as truth and not the naked truth. "
Great post!
 

Maple

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So...multiple characters from the banner are apparently real, multiple characters that exist are apparently not on the banner, and multiple characters on the banner are actually AT....and some on the banner just don't exist.

Sounds like:

- Shadow
- Geno
- Isaac
- Ken
- Incineroar
- Skull Kid / Sora / Elma

- Chorus Kids as an AT
- Mach Rider as an AT

- Banjo doesn't exist.
 

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.
 

Phendrift

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.
This seems good.
 

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So...multiple characters from the banner are apparently real, multiple characters that exist are apparently not on the banner, and multiple characters on the banner are actually AT....and some on the banner just don't exist.

Sounds like:

- Shadow
- Geno
- Isaac
- Ken
- Incineroar
- Skull Kid / Sora / Elma

- Chorus Kids as an AT
- Mach Rider as an AT

- Banjo doesn't exist.
Decent summary, but Shadow might be either AT or echo. I also wonder if the final unknown character is an echo.

I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.

100% agree with current info lol
 

Mary Celeste

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Chorus Kids are an assist for sure, I can feel it deep within my hugh bones. And the hugh bones have never been wrong.
 

ned_ballad

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Why would Shadow remain an Assist Trophy when Knuckles exists? There isn't any need for him to be one, he's redundant with an item and redundant as a Sonic Assist Trophy.
 

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.
I'd probably swap Isaac with Shadow, but I otherwise agree. As cool of a dude as Mystic is, he was a bit flip-floppy about Isaac to the point where I fear that he may not be certain about him.
 

Village

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.

I'm on team if this is to be believed shadow just isn't in the game at all

As pessimistic as this sounds. Shadow's assist trophy wasn't complicated at all.

Is what it is
 

KtotheRoc

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.

So you're thinking we might have another Richter Belmont?
 

alphacat

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I feel like Banjo and Chorus Kids are the only ones who absolutely won't be ATs.

Geno as an AT is a lot more believable if Square gets another rep, making it somewhat of a Bomberman situation.
Isaac being an AT is believable cause his games suck and he's already been an AT.
Shadow's games are even worse and he's already been an AT.
Ken being an AT is believable since Street Fighter doesn't have one yet
Mach Rider being an AT is believable since it's an odd retro pick.

Banjo wouldn't be an AT because they're not going to make that big a deal just to make Banjo an AT.
Chorus Kids won't be an AT, cause Sakurai doesn't tend to downgrade potential characters like that and there are better Rhythym Heaven AT picks.

SAVAGE
 

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Why would Shadow remain an Assist Trophy when Knuckles exists? There isn't any need for him to be one, he's redundant with an item and redundant as a Sonic Assist Trophy.

Yeah if Shadow isn't playable then I wouldn't expect him to be an AT anymore either.

He'd just be replaced like Elec Man.
 

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I'm starting to think the outlier for this banner being "fake" is the Chorus Kids. Their art, while a brand new render, looks more align to an assist trophy rather than the standard mural art. Even Mr. Game & Watch which is a similarly flat character has moral style art. I wonder if the leaker took the real banner and put the official render of the Chorus Kid AT in it because he was salty they weren't playable hence the "FUCK NINTENDO"
 

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I think that Chorus Kids, Mach Rider AND Shadow are assists.
Which would line up perfectly with both Mystic and Emily infos.
Then you've got Isaac, Geno, Incineroar and Ken in.
Banjo is the one character that was 100% fake.

I think we're missing one echo fighter that was never hinted at.

I like this post! I'm feeling like Shadow is 100% fake as well though. That lines up better with Emily's info about multiple characters not being in the game at all.

Hoping that Sora is the last unknown character now.
 

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I don't think the mystery fighter is an echo.

Remember that echos haven't really leaked much (Richter, Dark Samus and Chrom did not leak). Also, Emily's been pretty generous with her info. I think she'd state if they were an echo.
 

Kcannon

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The problem I have with Mystic is that he's still sounding unsure. Case in point: "I feel confident".
 

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Just to be clear: the entire Grinch banner is just straight up fiction/fake.

The banner is missing multiple characters.
There's characters on the banner that shouldn't be there at all.
The banner also confuses assist trophies for playable characters.

One thing I've learned over years of doing this: Never discount Emily. Her info is legit.
 

r_n

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It was easy to keep a bunch of Assist Trophies between Brawl and Smash 4 and they didn't. Excitebike was literally just sprites that moved forward.
Well, the 3DS was probably an issue here if I had to guess. It spawned a lot of objects all at once. Even the cuccoo doesnt have that many.

Assists like Barabara stand out more. her attack was pretty distinct (only DK's final smash comes close and thats still pretty different), not intensive in the slightest, there's no weird co-ownership and she even had a 3ds game
 

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Reminder that the devs are japanese and likely don't even care about Sonic secondary characters much. Just keeping Shadow as an AT isn't a big deal to them and that may be why they didn't even bother showing him before.

He was never even hinted by anyone and Sonic has a black alt.

I'm starting to think the outlier for this banner being "fake" is the Chorus Kids. Their art, while a brand new render, looks more align to an assist trophy rather than the standard mural art. Even Mr. Game & Watch which is a similarly flat character has moral style art. I wonder if the leaker took the real banner and put the official render of the Chorus Kid AT in it because he was salty they weren't playable hence the "FUCK NINTENDO"
Almost no one believes in that image anymore. The game is almost here and I'm fairly certain the insiders all are aware of the actual roster and how wrong that image is. Let it go.
 

NateDrake

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We are less than 48hrs from the Direct. Speculate & have fun. Don't focus too much energy on rumors. Everything will be answered shortly.
 

Pallo

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Ugh,
This is too much.
Maybe it is best to set my expectations in line with Isaac being an AT once again to avoid disappointment.

But...

...I want to believe.
 

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So...multiple characters from the banner are apparently real, multiple characters that exist are apparently not on the banner, and multiple characters on the banner are actually AT....and some on the banner just don't exist.

Sounds like:

- Shadow
- Geno
- Isaac
- Ken
- Incineroar
- Skull Kid / Sora / Elma

- Chorus Kids as an AT
- Mach Rider as an AT

- Banjo doesn't exist.
Idk, sounds more like

Playable:
Ken
Incineroar

Probably Playable/Possibly AT:
Isaac
Geno

Possibly Playable/Possibly AT:
Shadow

Probably AT/Possibly Nothing:
Mach Rider
Chorus Kids
Skull Kid (if not a boss)

Probably Nothing:
Banjo
Elma

???
Sora
 
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