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A1an

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Oct 26, 2017
1,341
UK
Just picked this up in the sales (£19.00 for the steelbook version) looking forward to this, any tips before I go in?
 

erd

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Oct 25, 2017
1,181
Just picked this up in the sales (£19.00 for the steelbook version) looking forward to this, any tips before I go in?
Don't be afraid to lower the difficulty if things get too frustrating. The game can feel really punishing and cheap on higher difficulties.
 

Bandate

Member
Nov 6, 2017
301
Just finished this and what a ride, and that twist was unexpected. By far one of the better games I've played this year if not the best. Can't wait for the dlcs.
 
Oct 28, 2017
862
This game is noticeably harder than the first. If you're playing on PC I'd recommend the Hard difficulty, anything below that if you're on console during your first playthrough.

Don't bother with Very Hard/Uber unless you're going for achievements since it's unfun garbage, same for Mein Leben since you have to watch 15 minutes worth of unskippable cutscenes if you die and have to start over.
 

swimming

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Oct 27, 2017
3,471
For newcomers into the series did you feel the need to look up story from the first game, and were you lost at all? Or can you just jump on
 

Alxjn

Member
Nov 17, 2017
111
This game is noticeably harder than the first. If you're playing on PC I'd recommend the Hard difficulty, anything below that if you're on console during your first playthrough.

Don't bother with Very Hard/Uber unless you're going for achievements since it's unfun garbage, same for Mein Leben since you have to watch 15 minutes worth of unskippable cutscenes if you die and have to start over.

Do or Die seems like a good middle ground between having a challenge and letting the player go wild. Unfortunately Wolfenstein handles difficulty the same way other shooters do, having the damage you receive skyrocket. That only tends to work well in games like Max Payne or Doom where you can confidently avoid everything tossed your way.
 

Deleted member 2809

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Oct 25, 2017
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Difficulty in TNO worked well because maps had plenty of covers and enemies didn't surround you
I just passed the new orleans sewer level, this was such a dumb fucking action sequence I probably died 10 times (playing on terror billy)
Also passed the big spoiler level after that, it has better balance
 
Oct 28, 2017
862
Like with the standard robot enemies in the first game you can stun them with a grenade with the EMP upgrade and shoot a weak spot in the back to kill them instantly, but it's less reliable this time around. It's for the best since the robots in TNO presented no challenge whatsoever, not even the "boss" in Chapter 6, once you figured out their gimmick.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just finished it
Overall characters and story are better than TNO by far, but the gameplay and level design is less balanced, some stupid spikes in the mid game and that sewer section was really bad
Still liked it, but I know I won't be redoing it on ultra hard, very hard was already enough. Uber was my default for TNO but this one just has too much BS to deal with (worst probably being the fast laser robots)

I don't know what robot you're talking about, but I don't think any enemy can take a fully charged LKW hit to the face, even the very last enemies there's only 2 of die in one fully charged shot

edit : and yeah, I feel like having most areas being bleak devastated landscapes doesn't help the game either. I feel like TNO looked better overall than TNC.
venus sequence especially wasn't too impressive, moon looked great and everybody is used to the moon, they could have gone a bit crazier
 
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swimming

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Oct 27, 2017
3,471
Please tell me I'll get to explore more of the U-Boat hub thing again. Just got to Neu York and am scared I can't go back. That shit was awesome
 

Anustart

9 Million Scovilles
Avenger
Nov 12, 2017
9,037
You get to go back to the u-boat! No worries.

Also, I wasn't digging this game as much as the first until the twist, and I think still a bit less than the first after the twist, but it got so much better after that point. Really started enjoying myself. Anyone else have that as a turning point?
 

Ryuhza

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
11,422
San Diego County
You get to go back to the u-boat! No worries.

Also, I wasn't digging this game as much as the first until the twist, and I think still a bit less than the first after the twist, but it got so much better after that point. Really started enjoying myself. Anyone else have that as a turning point?

Definitely, both gameplay and vibe wise. I think BJ had one or two too many mournful internal monologues before then. The contraptions were a lot of fun too, especially with the additional perk benefits. Man this game could really use a NG+ mode, or at least a proper chapter select like TNO or TOB.
 

Deleted member 18179

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Oct 27, 2017
863
Finished this up today. Man, I really wanted to enjoy this. I even bought the Collector's Edition, which I've never ever done before. But it just didn't click in the way the original did.

  • The plot felt like... I don't know. I loved TNO because it was took place in and around these characters who were trying to live their lives despite the circumstances. This one just felt way over the top in a way where the ludicrous events just completely overshone the characters. The things that were happening in the game felt really unconnected to what was happening in the levels. The world never seemed to react.
  • And even when we got these great over the top characters- Boone, Grace, Siggrun - we only ever really saw them in cut scenes. It made the game feel segregated.
  • I never really got a sense of the world in the way that TNO showed it to me. Maybe the novelty had worn off?
  • And every level was so same-y same! When BJ got the bike I was like HELL YEAH but then it was a cut scene. When BJ got to the Nazi Parade I was like HELL YEAH, but it was just a museum. Only the childhood home level really offered some variety.
  • And no end boss! What a bummer! Definitely felt unfinished.
  • My enjoyment of the game shot up 500% when I went down to easy. I got to experiment with the weapons! It was fun!
  • The ending made the game feel like some kind of weird prologue to a larger game.
  • I hated that they ret-conn'ed the end of TNO. I loved the ending to that game- BJ suffering for his hubris, for not being able to let go of his vengeance. Anya leading the weary out of the camp, hope for the future. It was sad and spectacular.
 

Squishy3

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Oct 27, 2017
811
Finished this up today. Man, I really wanted to enjoy this. I even bought the Collector's Edition, which I've never ever done before. But it just didn't click in the way the original did.

  • The plot felt like... I don't know. I loved TNO because it was took place in and around these characters who were trying to live their lives despite the circumstances. This one just felt way over the top in a way where the ludicrous events just completely overshone the characters. The things that were happening in the game felt really unconnected to what was happening in the levels. The world never seemed to react.
  • And even when we got these great over the top characters- Boone, Grace, Siggrun - we only ever really saw them in cut scenes. It made the game feel segregated.
  • I never really got a sense of the world in the way that TNO showed it to me. Maybe the novelty had worn off?
  • And every level was so same-y same! When BJ got the bike I was like HELL YEAH but then it was a cut scene. When BJ got to the Nazi Parade I was like HELL YEAH, but it was just a museum. Only the childhood home level really offered some variety.
  • And no end boss! What a bummer! Definitely felt unfinished.
  • My enjoyment of the game shot up 500% when I went down to easy. I got to experiment with the weapons! It was fun!
  • The ending made the game feel like some kind of weird prologue to a larger game.
  • I hated that they ret-conn'ed the end of TNO. I loved the ending to that game- BJ suffering for his hubris, for not being able to let go of his vengeance. Anya leading the weary out of the camp, hope for the future. It was sad and spectacular.
So, to be clear, if you wait until after the credits you hear the sound of helicopters approaching BJ. Nothing was retconned. It'd be retconned if the last thing you see/hear is the nuke going off.
 

Punished Dan

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Oct 27, 2017
4,246
Just popping in to say currently playing The New Order for the first time and I'm going to pick this up tomorrow.
Really enjoying TNO and look forward to playing this.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,671
How the hell are you supposed to kill the
giant robot dude you fight at the end of Roswell?

I just ran...
I ran back into the previous area and picked up one of the big guns dropped by other enemies and used that to take him down super quick.

His arms and legs are both weak points
 

Creamium

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,678
Belgium
Still hard to believe that this game is half price just a month after release. They probably did this with other underperforming games, but it stings. Especially for the people that were there day one.
 

SxP

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Oct 27, 2017
2,867
So I finished all the districts, including the bonus districts and damn, who decided you needed this many Enigma codes. It's far more than you get by killing all the Commanders in the main game + the districts. Which means you inevitably need to farm. Which is just not fun, especially not with the load times. And I was playing on the easiest difficulty, just sprinting to Commanders, killing them, and leaving. I can't imagine the tedium of doing it the "normal" way on anything other that the easiest difficulty.

And playing all those districts in such a short time span really shows how poor the level design is. So many times I just watched a YouTube video to see where I had to go. Because the game just wants you to crawl through a vent which is totally unmarked somewhere in an inconspicuous corner of the map. And this just keeps happening.
 

The_Freeman

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Nov 5, 2017
109
I"m afraid I'm going to have to agree with those here who feel it's rather underwhelming. No idea how far I'm in (4/5 hours) but so far I've found it really boring. I loved the last one, but this just isn't clicking for me. The shooting mechanics just feel very floaty which makes firing some of the rather decent guns annoying.

I only picked this up for £20 in Black Friday sales. Had I paid any more for it I would have been angry.
 

Timeaisis

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Oct 25, 2017
6,139
Austin, TX
The difficulty is so all over the place, Jesus.

I'm at the
courtoom
and holy crap it's difficult. Doesn't help that the level is just one giant open area circle with chest high cover scattered about. It's like run around in circles simulator. This isn't Doom 2016 where you can survive shots, c'mon.

This is very disappointing...
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I finished all the districts, including the bonus districts and damn, who decided you needed this many Enigma codes. It's far more than you get by killing all the Commanders in the main game + the districts. Which means you inevitably need to farm. Which is just not fun, especially not with the load times. And I was playing on the easiest difficulty, just sprinting to Commanders, killing them, and leaving. I can't imagine the tedium of doing it the "normal" way on anything other that the easiest difficulty.

And playing all those districts in such a short time span really shows how poor the level design is. So many times I just watched a YouTube video to see where I had to go. Because the game just wants you to crawl through a vent which is totally unmarked somewhere in an inconspicuous corner of the map. And this just keeps happening.
Yeah the number of codes you need is stupid. However if you want to farm fast you can save right before killing a commander, kill him, pick his code and suicide
 

NavyPharaoh

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Oct 27, 2017
547
I"m afraid I'm going to have to agree with those here who feel it's rather underwhelming. No idea how far I'm in (4/5 hours) but so far I've found it really boring. I loved the last one, but this just isn't clicking for me. The shooting mechanics just feel very floaty which makes firing some of the rather decent guns annoying.

I only picked this up for £20 in Black Friday sales. Had I paid any more for it I would have been angry.

I was with you but I just finished it today and it picks up. One thing that helped was lowering the difficulty.

Damn this game has some great moments after a slow start. I had thought about not even finishing this game with so much other shit to play, but once it hooked me I went str8 through. Can't wait to replay it.
 

Herbz

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Oct 25, 2017
589
I Am Death Incarnation in this game is fuckin tough. Way tougher than The New Order/The Old Blood. I'm having a hard time with it. When an enemy sees you and shoots you, you die instantly. 1-2 bullets hit you, bye-bye, game over. Their shooting accuracy being extremely accurate is not helpful.
 

nded

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Nov 14, 2017
10,554
I feel like Roswell was a missed opportunity to rampage through a sunny slice of nazi-occupied americana. New Orleans could have had a bit where you run across the top of the containment wall and see it as a monument to the nazis' failure to subjugate the city. New York should have involved a Rambo-esque trek through an overgrown Central Park.

So many missed opportunities.
 
Oct 28, 2017
862
Wolfenstein 2: So Many Missed Opportunities should've been the games' title.

Hopefully this is just one of those cases where the sequel is underwherlming and the next is incredible, because boy was this game dull outside the simple act of dual wielding shotguns/machineguns and a handful of story moments. They really screwed up everywhere else and got lucky releasing this during the current zeitgeist.
 

TheRed

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Oct 31, 2017
2,658
The difficulty is so all over the place, Jesus.

I'm at the
courtoom
and holy crap it's difficult. Doesn't help that the level is just one giant open area circle with chest high cover scattered about. It's like run around in circles simulator. This isn't Doom 2016 where you can survive shots, c'mon.

This is very disappointing...
Yep. I finally came back to the game and powered through an early fight I was having trouble with, then I started really digging the game. The Roswell mission was cool and I got through it without too much trouble, exploring BJs old childhood home was awesome, the graphics wowed me in these walking around sections like the one at beginning of Roswell mission. Anyway starting to think maybe I really can love this game. Then I get to that courtroom fight, holy shit it is frustrating, so many enemies while you have to be picking up so much ammo and health/armor because you don't start with any. Its so annoying trying to pick things up while losing half your in 1 shot when you pop out of cover to move. The weapon wheel is just not great especially when I need to switch to something specific very fast due to how brutal these firefights are. It could at least slow down time like in DOOM damnit. Anyway finally made it through most of the enemies but ran out of ammo and only had like 30 health. Got pinned down in my corner and tried to run to get some damn ammo but one of those zippy fast robots came up and 1 shot me. Then it resets almost all the way back to the start of the fight with all the enemies.

Made me curse like crazy and stop playing. I don't understand their goal with some of these encounter designs, it's like it was intended to be super annoying. I know I should probably turn down the difficulty but I did feel happy when I made through some of the earlier hard fights and I'm a masochist that won't let myself get defeated by the game. Guess I'll try it again tomorrow but damn this game is really an up and down experience. I love it and hate it. While I was hands down in love with TNO.
 

shinobi602

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Oct 24, 2017
8,313
Just finished it. What a wild ride. I loved The New Order and this followed well in its footsteps. I felt like TNO had more memorable gunfights overall but the variety in the environments, improved visuals, satisfying shooting and fantastic storytelling (writing, acting, cinematography) really propelled this to my top 5 this year.

BJ and Anya have incredible chemistry. One of the best couples in gaming for sure.
 
Oct 28, 2017
862
Speaking of the
courtroom
battle, was the music that plays during it changed in one of the first few patches for some reason? During my first playthrough a day after it came out it was this song, then between my other 3 playthroughs at the beginning of November and yesterday it just played the Panzerhund section song. It doesn't seem related to the difficulty either.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just finished it. What a wild ride. I loved The New Order and this followed well in its footsteps. I felt like TNO had more memorable gunfights overall but the variety in the environments, improved visuals, satisfying shooting and fantastic storytelling (writing, acting, cinematography) really propelled this to my top 5 this year.

BJ and Anya have incredible chemistry. One of the best couples in gaming for sure.
It has more variety but these environments can look like trash even with updated visuals (manhattan especially, even if it's a nuked city, just looks bad. The map design is really poor too). Roswell looks nice but it lasts like 3 minutes if you go for the objective, there isn't much gameplay there (except if you come back for the uber commando but then it's night). New Orleans is disappointing as well.
TNO had a bit less variety but the levels were more interesting to play, even a "ruin" level like the bridge was well done compared to NYC
The hub is better in TNC but is a bit too big for its own good I thought
 

NullPointer

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Oct 27, 2017
3,170
Mars
This is very disappointing...
Still think its salvageable with a decent patch, but I doubt they'd do it. Basically, options for a greatly expanded auto-pickup range, to where you only need to manually pick things up if you want to overboost. Better hit feedback. Adding lights to enemies to help deal with pitch black areas on maps. And - maybe blasphemy here but I don't care - the ability to skip all cut-scenes, including the in-game ones. Loved all of that stuff in the first playthrough but if I'm going to dive back in its just for the shooting and maybe some exploration - I really don't want to watch some of those drawn out and cruel scenes multiple times over. If they did that I'd jump back in and consider the DLC. For now though its a one-and-done.

EDIT: OK, I take back wanting to skip in-game cut-scenes. Had no idea that they patched in a Combat Simulator mode that's basically Doom's arcade mode (added in the day 10 patch after I had already put the game down). Very nice, and looks to be exactly what I wanted. Keep the storyline bits to the story but let me replay the full combat bits (not just specific arenas ala Old Blood).
 
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HomespunFur

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Oct 25, 2017
1,271
Really annoyed that I downloaded the demo on PSN because it blocked me from buying the duluxe version of the game (including the game and the season pass) and now I have to pay extra for the season pass.
PSN is ass sometimes
 

A1an

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Oct 26, 2017
1,341
UK
Play on the second easiest difficulty.

Thank for the advice, I will try this.

Really annoyed that I downloaded the demo on PSN because it blocked me from buying the duluxe version of the game (including the game and the season pass) and now I have to pay extra for the season pass.
PSN is ass sometimes

I have been reading about this happening, I was going to get the demo to try but I am glad I didn't now, I have not found out what the exact issue that is causing this to happen though, is the demo progress carried over to the full game maybe?
 

HomespunFur

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Oct 25, 2017
1,271
I have been reading about this happening, I was going to get the demo to try but I am glad I didn't now, I have not found out what the exact issue that is causing this to happen though, is the demo progress carried over to the full game maybe?

Yeah it does, the demo is the first level and that carries over once you buy the game.
You can still buy the game on PSN just not the duluxe edition, which is the one I was going to get.
 

EMBee99

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,708
Austin, TX
This might be the worst game I've played that I've loved so much, just on the strength of the characters and storytelling.

The hit detection and general loosey-goosey feel around the shooting makes me haaaaaate actually playing through it, but I can't help but want to finish to see what lunacy they dream up for the next cutscene.
 

Ishmae1

Creative Director, Microsoft
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
539
Seattle, WA
Console controls could use some serious tuning.

I still finished it and plan on doing the alternate timeline (on easier difficulty) just to see what changes if anything. I was dreading the officer grind, so I think I'll take the easy advice to heart, as I only have 3 more to unlock.

Really want to know more about what Sal has in-hand. Hopefully DLC / sequel happens that explains it!
Anyone else disappointed we didn't get to go into the tomb?