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Armite

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An insider being told that Shadow is an AT again would seem odd to me, because it's not exactly significant news. Isaac returning as one or a new AT like Mach Rider or Banjo would be more noteworthy though.
 

Łazy

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Emily may well be wrong (we're all human), but if she's not it makes no sense that, in her words, the banner that thus far has focused on presenting every playable character in the roster (it's literally the entire shtick of the banner) would exclude multiple playable characters in addition to confusing an assist trophy for a playable character.

Sure, we can formulate theories on why a Nintendo designed, artistically coherent marketing piece would for some obtuse reason not include multiple playable characters and instead others. But if we apply Occam's Razor the most simple, logical reasoning here is that the Grinch leak is entirely fake. It's a clever, well presented fan made fake. Doesn't matter if some stuff aligns with reality, because the stuff most likely to was already hotly rumoured (eg: Ken). The more excuses we need to make for the art banner excluding characters yet including others, despite this being tonally and creatively inconsistent with every update leading up to this moment, the less believable it becomes. Because really, it only takes one thing. Just one; a person with technical and artistic skill (of which there exist many), and a penchant for jokes. That's it. One person out there willing to commit the time and energy to whip up this blurry fake and here we are. It's the simplest reasoning for why it exists, if we are to assume Emily's info is solid (as has been in regards to Directs and Smash in the past), instead of a thousand excuses we need to intertwine just to make both the Grinch leak and Emily equally coherent.

Reality is they're probably mutually exclusive. Grinch leak is fake. There's no Banjo, Isaac, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Geno, or Shadow. There might be Ken as that's an old rumour. And Incinerour is probably in too.
It's the logical thing to think.
I don't see why some people can't.
 
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Emily may well be wrong (we're all human), but if she's not it makes no sense that, in her words, the banner that thus far has focused on presenting every playable character in the roster (it's literally the entire shtick of the banner) would exclude multiple playable characters in addition to confusing an assist trophy for a playable character.

Sure, we can formulate theories on why a Nintendo designed, artistically coherent marketing piece would for some obtuse reason not include multiple playable characters and instead others. But if we apply Occam's Razor the most simple, logical reasoning here is that the Grinch leak is entirely fake. It's a clever, well presented fan made fake. Doesn't matter if some stuff aligns with reality, because the stuff most likely to was already hotly rumoured (eg: Ken). The more excuses we need to make for the art banner excluding characters yet including others, despite this being tonally and creatively inconsistent with every update leading up to this moment, the less believable it becomes. Because really, it only takes one thing. Just one; a person with technical and artistic skill (of which there exist many), and a penchant for jokes. That's it. One person out there willing to commit the time and energy to whip up this blurry fake and here we are. It's the simplest reasoning for why it exists, if we are to assume Emily's info is solid (as has been in regards to Directs and Smash in the past), instead of a thousand excuses we need to intertwine just to make both the Grinch leak and Emily equally coherent.

Reality is they're probably mutually exclusive. Grinch leak is fake. There's no Banjo, Isaac, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Geno, or Shadow. There might be Ken as that's an old rumour. And Incinerour is probably in too.


Or you know, simply her and others are just wrong and it's real, those are the final 7, and Incineroar is either cut or DLC. You are putting way to much stock into insider claims, especially when she is not nearly the first person to make those claims.

Mystic said everything she did first and he went back and forth on what he thought was right constantly before his company fired him yesterday.

Additionally people said ESRB was fake due to not having Mewtwo and Lucas, yet it was right and they were also right, just as DLC
 

Jahranimo

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Woke up and see a new thread...and some words from Emily herself again.

Well to quote Spawnwave:

 

BGBW

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isaac can't possibly be an AT, would make no sense to remove him and then re-introduce him as AT, when he's one of the most requested by fans.
They removed the likes of Mr Resetti and Jill Dozer and people have highly requested they return as ATs. Nothing wrong with ATs.
 

TheOGB

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Incineroar is in
Shadow (echo) is in
Ken (echo) is in
Chorus Kids are in
Isaac is in but he uses Geno as an AT in his reveal
Mach Rider is an AT
Square character somehow turns out to be Neku from TWEWY

I'm surprised Street Fighter has no sort of assist trophy. You think they'll show one off if Ken gets revealed? I hope it's Chun-Li or Zangief.
Chun-Li AT revealed with Ken. Ryu, Ken, and Chun do a group pose at the end of that trailer.
 

Odeko

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Heres Emily's post

https://www.resetera.com/posts/14372353/


Agreed. It can't be met halfway.

The 'Grinch' banner presents itself as the following:
  • The final Day 1 roster (not including future DLC)
  • A portrait of *only* playable characters (no assist trophies included in the banner.)
Would a marketing firm forget to include multiple characters in a banner?
Would a marketing firm accidentally confuse an assist trophy for a playable character?

Just some food for thought.
Based Eric

Has access to a blank battlefield background and all the character and item renders for marketing

Slides in an AT render among all the characters to make an un-disprovable fake leak
 

TheDinoman

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like characters like Krystal, Knuckles, Shovel Knight and so on were popular and requested characters on the ballot, and they all got AT'd.
 

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Mach Rider is likely the AT imo
Geno is in
Incineroar is in
Isaac is in
Shadow is in
Ken is in
Chorus Kids out
Banjo out
Steve is potentially in
 

Camjo-Z

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If the leak is fake, at least we're not resigned to fucking Kencineroar according to Emily.
 

AlanOC91

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So are we expecting an announcement for Thursday or possibly even a drop today?
 

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The character was wanted since a lot of time and one of te only potential highly requested new Metroid rep.

Geno only ever has been a Mii costume.

Man as a long time Ridley supporter it feels sooo good to finally have him in. Smash 4 hurt, not only because he wasnt playable, but because he was a stage hazard with his worst design by far.
 

Metto

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If the leak is fake, at least we're not resigned to fucking Kencineroar according to Emily.
I know right? That's so refreshing and actually makes me more excited to see what's next.

Hopefully the other character is Sora or Elma, or Banjo really did end up making it in. If any of those happen I would be ecstatic.
 

EatChildren

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Or you know, simply her and others are just wrong and it's real, those are the final 7, and Incineroar is either cut or DLC. You are putting way to much stock into insider claims, especially when she is not nearly the first person to make those claims.

Mystic said everything she did first and he went back and forth on what he thought was right constantly before his company fired him yesterday.

Additionally people said ESRB was fake due to not having Mewtwo and Lucas, yet it was right and they were also right, just as DLC

There is nothing I'd like more than for the leak to be real, but yeah. I'm just not buying it. It just doesn't seem plausible, and I'm trusting the leakers that have more consistent credibility. More than happy to eat crow. If anything, hope I do.
 

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I'm just including Steve because apparently Emily said there's another missing character but ya can replace it with anyone else.
 

Rotobit

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honestly I'm still kinda half expecting some sort of playable Assist Trophy mode to be a thing

Characters like Alucard, Zero and Shovel Knight could honestly be playable at this point, in a limited capacity. What if Spirits Mode lets you recruit them as temporary allies, kinda like how Kirby does it? That'd be pretty fun and the devs wouldn't need to worry about balancing them or giving them full movesets, just simple combos and specials.
 

Zoantharia

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Or you know, simply her and others are just wrong and it's real, those are the final 7, and Incineroar is either cut or DLC. You are putting way to much stock into insider claims, especially when she is not nearly the first person to make those claims.

Mystic said everything she did first and he went back and forth on what he thought was right constantly before his company fired him yesterday.

Additionally people said ESRB was fake due to not having Mewtwo and Lucas, yet it was right and they were also right, just as DLC
Fired????
 

Metto

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We have a presumably leaked screenshot of Ken as a fighter
I want to say no one has confirmed that's real yet but Ryce inadvertently confirmed it real. He said the Grinch roster practically didn't resemble the roster and when people brought up Ken he emphasized the practically. So yeah that's the best evidence for that being real.
 

JoeInky

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I hope to god steve isn't in the game.

Getting a Microsoft character and having it be him instead of Banjo would be such a kick in the teeth.
 

Subba

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What are the chances the online play is actually good? I didn't play the Wii U game, but Brawl was atrocious.
 

KtotheRoc

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Isaac as an AT again, and all he uses is his giant hand to push people off the stage, would be a real bummer. He has so much potential as a fighter. Smash does not have enough "mage" characters. (But all people see is "anime swordsman.")
 
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