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Wil Grieve

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Oct 25, 2017
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You guys just need to manifest the Direct. How about a super thread huh? I am absolutely positive that will work ;)

Perhaps you should..... should I say it...


Reset the clock?? Hmmmmm?

We did meme K Rool and Ridley into existence.

And memoryman3 memes Daisy into existence all by himself

I say we give it a shot
 

louisacommie

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,571
New Jersey
The reason I believe it's sora because verge and insiders have said if the square character gets out it be garnunteed ti get traced to the source

I don't think geno is that big a deal
 

drclaw411

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Mar 22, 2018
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Mew2King and Zero uploaded the rest of their stage viability predictions. It went as expected:

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The Smash games, including Melee, are among my favorite ever. But this makes me kind of hate Melee.

Tourneyturds doing this already, shredding 74 stages out of the game on Day 1. Gross.
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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It's a Mii costume.

They probably got an intern to make it.

And then Sakurai called him a popular character, and that he gets requests for him to be included despite his age.

Look I'm not trying to memoryman it up here, I just think the idea that Geno's fanbase disappeared in Smash For is wrong.
 

Steve

Good Vibes Gaming
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Oct 24, 2017
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I've been seeing a crazy amount of misinformation on Twitter, and downright ridiculous stuff being said about various people in the industry, so I thought I'd make a post to clarify what has been said publicly by most folks on the subject of Smash and its leaks. I'm pretty sure I've covered my own opinion enough here, but I'll start there:

What Steve Has Said:
The banner leak is fake. I've heard this from multiple sources but cannot confirm if the content of it is fake. I believe the contents are at least partially fake for reasons I can't divulge.

What GX Has Said:

The banner leak is fake. "Another example of an extremely blurry leak."



AndreGX tweeted the following:



What Imran Has Said:

"There's also the fact that, well, the roster seems woefully incomplete. Every single Super Smash Bros. game has added a new Pokemon character. Pikachu and Jigglypuff headlined the first game, Mewtwo came in at Melee, Brawl introduced Lucario, and the 3DS/Wii U game brought in Greninja. Since the last game's release, a new Pokemon generation has had two mainline games, and Pokemon itself has seen a resurgence in sales and popularity that had more or less taken over the world again, however temporarily. The presumption of a new Pokemon fighter in each game is so concrete that Greninja was originally just listed as "New Pokemon" on the game's design document, according to director Masahiro Sakurai, to be decided at a later date. This would be a strange time to suddenly decide the series does not need a new Pokemon character." - Source Link

GX in particular seems to be getting the brunt of the craziness on Twitter for the time being, seemingly because they haven't dissected the leak enough. I can't speak for them, but if I had to guess the discourse around this whole topic is enough for them, and if they all agree its fake, a lengthy discussion video without a counterpoint would be a bit boring, IMO. I've seen tweets aimed at people all over the industry that don't support the leak claiming they've said all manor of stuff, or are in Nintendo's pocket, or are dismissing the leak because Incineroar wasn't in it, when in reality, I don't think anybody has said that. Saying it's weird more people aren't expecting another Pokemon isn't the same thing as saying, "this one very specific Pokemon is in the game and I believe it wholeheartedly."
 

Phendrift

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,300
I've been seeing a crazy amount of misinformation on Twitter, and downright ridiculous stuff being said about various people in the industry, so I thought I'd make a post to clarify what has been said publicly by most folks on the subject of Smash and its leaks. I'm pretty sure I've covered my own opinion enough here, but I'll start there:

What Steve Has Said:
The banner leak is fake. I've heard this from multiple sources but cannot confirm if the content of it is fake. I believe the contents are at least partially fake for reasons I can't divulge.

What GX Has Said:

The banner leak is fake. "Another example of an extremely blurry leak."



AndreGX tweeted the following:



What Imran Has Said:

"There's also the fact that, well, the roster seems woefully incomplete. Every single Super Smash Bros. game has added a new Pokemon character. Pikachu and Jigglypuff headlined the first game, Mewtwo came in at Melee, Brawl introduced Lucario, and the 3DS/Wii U game brought in Greninja. Since the last game's release, a new Pokemon generation has had two mainline games, and Pokemon itself has seen a resurgence in sales and popularity that had more or less taken over the world again, however temporarily. The presumption of a new Pokemon fighter in each game is so concrete that Greninja was originally just listed as "New Pokemon" on the game's design document, according to director Masahiro Sakurai, to be decided at a later date. This would be a strange time to suddenly decide the series does not need a new Pokemon character." - Source Link

GX in particular seems to be getting the brunt of the craziness on Twitter for the time being, seemingly because they haven't dissected the leak enough. I can't speak for them, but if I had to guess the discourse around this whole topic is enough for them, and if they all agree its fake, a lengthy discussion video without a counterpoint would be a bit boring, IMO. I've seen tweets aimed at people all over the industry that don't support the leak claiming they've said all manor of stuff, or are in Nintendo's pocket, or are dismissing the leak because Incineroar wasn't in it, when in reality, I don't think anybody has said that. Saying it's weird more people aren't expecting another Pokemon isn't the same thing as saying, "this one very specific Pokemon is in the game and I believe it wholeheartedly."
So what I got from all of this is Decidueye confirmed

/s
 

Camjo-Z

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Phendrift

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Also I really don't like what Imran said about the roster being "woefully incomplete"

Like how could you look at Ultimate's roster and suggest that, Pokémon or not...
 

Deleted member 46477

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I'm the most angry about them crossing off great plateau tower, tbh. Leaving hazards on, the "cave" breaks after a couple hits and is a non-issue, yet this warrants a ban.

Honestly...this might be the game I step up and TO, simply to have a more varied stage list. If salty players don't show up, then good. Let the rest of the community learn stage mechanics like they used to before eSports took the reigns of everything.
 

Benzychenz

One Winged Slayer
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Nov 1, 2017
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Australia
I'm going to use Switch Pro controllers just because they're wireless.

That Gamecube dongle with 4 controllers attached to it is a mess of cables that I would love to never touch again.
 

ned_ballad

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
48,241
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I'm the most angry about them crossing off great plateau tower, tbh. Leaving hazards on, the "cave" breaks after a couple hits and is a non-issue, yet this warrants a ban.

Honestly...this might be the game I step up and TO, simply to have a more varied stage list. If salty players don't show up, then good. Let the rest of the community learn stage mechanics like they used to before eSports took the reigns of everything.
Nothing is stopping the rest of the community from playing on 75m if they really want to
 

Dark Cloud

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Oct 27, 2017
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Also I really don't like what Imran said about the roster being "woefully incomplete"

Like how could you look at Ultimate's roster and suggest that, Pokémon or not...
I can agree with the first part. Saying "woefully incomplete" almost implies a lot of characters are missing. It almost sets my expectations higher.
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
I've been seeing a crazy amount of misinformation on Twitter, and downright ridiculous stuff being said about various people in the industry, so I thought I'd make a post to clarify what has been said publicly by most folks on the subject of Smash and its leaks. I'm pretty sure I've covered my own opinion enough here, but I'll start there:

What Steve Has Said:
The banner leak is fake. I've heard this from multiple sources but cannot confirm if the content of it is fake. I believe the contents are at least partially fake for reasons I can't divulge.

What GX Has Said:

The banner leak is fake. "Another example of an extremely blurry leak."



AndreGX tweeted the following:



What Imran Has Said:

"There's also the fact that, well, the roster seems woefully incomplete. Every single Super Smash Bros. game has added a new Pokemon character. Pikachu and Jigglypuff headlined the first game, Mewtwo came in at Melee, Brawl introduced Lucario, and the 3DS/Wii U game brought in Greninja. Since the last game's release, a new Pokemon generation has had two mainline games, and Pokemon itself has seen a resurgence in sales and popularity that had more or less taken over the world again, however temporarily. The presumption of a new Pokemon fighter in each game is so concrete that Greninja was originally just listed as "New Pokemon" on the game's design document, according to director Masahiro Sakurai, to be decided at a later date. This would be a strange time to suddenly decide the series does not need a new Pokemon character." - Source Link

GX in particular seems to be getting the brunt of the craziness on Twitter for the time being, seemingly because they haven't dissected the leak enough. I can't speak for them, but if I had to guess the discourse around this whole topic is enough for them, and if they all agree its fake, a lengthy discussion video without a counterpoint would be a bit boring, IMO. I've seen tweets aimed at people all over the industry that don't support the leak claiming they've said all manor of stuff, or are in Nintendo's pocket, or are dismissing the leak because Incineroar wasn't in it, when in reality, I don't think anybody has said that. Saying it's weird more people aren't expecting another Pokemon isn't the same thing as saying, "this one very specific Pokemon is in the game and I believe it wholeheartedly."


I hope this isn't overstepping any boundaries, but it sounds like it's a lot of speculation coming from insiders regarding the Grinch leak as opposed to it definitively being fake.

Unless I totally misread this, in which case I apologize.
 

Tribal_Cult

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Nov 1, 2017
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Also I really don't like what Imran said about the roster being "woefully incomplete"

Like how could you look at Ultimate's roster and suggest that, Pokémon or not...

I mean, I could understand omitting a Pokémon would be weird from a marketing standpoint, but really, the franchise has by far the three most popular ones as playable already, and a couple more extremely popular. Incineroar would be nice don't get me wrong (Decidueye even better), but I don't think it would have much relevance in the Pokémon community. No kids who play Pokémon today are going to buy the game BECAUSE of him, imho. A DLC of a future Gen 8 Pokémon would probably make more sense, and this "rule" that every Smash game needs to have a new Pokémon playable will be fulfilled.

That's why Imran's reasoning is weird, he says it's fake because there's no Pokémon and that doesn't make sense, not because he knows for a fact a Pokémon is playable. At least Gamexplain has basically confirmed there's going to be one (by their knowledge), Imran's stance simply supposes that and dismisses the leak because of it. Unless he's being cheeky.
 

Phendrift

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,300
Also yes GX is getting the brunt of it because we know if they didn't have inside info we'd already have a two hour discussion and multiple update videos.
 

Blackquill

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
783
I'm the most angry about them crossing off great plateau tower, tbh. Leaving hazards on, the "cave" breaks after a couple hits and is a non-issue, yet this warrants a ban.

Honestly...this might be the game I step up and TO, simply to have a more varied stage list. If salty players don't show up, then good. Let the rest of the community learn stage mechanics like they used to before eSports took the reigns of everything.

Don't go and complain if everyone starts playing only 5 characters out of 75 because only the fast characters will keep up with that much stage variety
 

Hikari

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Oct 25, 2017
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Elysium
he's probably taking that July IGN stream where Trinnen said in passing "Xenoblade characters" while rattling off characters

Note this wasn't a practiced interview, he talks in a very off the cuff manor. I had to edit out a lot of uhs and ums and such while transcribing the entire segment
of which you can find below!
IGN: Here is Nintendo's Bill Trinnen to tell us all about it



Trinnen: Hey, thanks for having me.



IGN: Thanks for coming by!



IGN: So one big question, obviously with Smash you've got uh, you got casual fans, you've got hardcore fans and the big question always is how do you balance that



Trinnen: You know, it is a very good question and obviously Mr. Sakurai is very tuned into both sides of the community. He pays a lot of attention to how the core community, the pro players are playing, even at the Invitational that we held at e3, the 2018, the first Invitational with Super Smash Bros Ultimate. He was back stage watching all the matches, looking at all the characters, saying(seeing?) how they were taking advantage of different movesets & different combos and things like that. He's going to take that back & apply it to the game, but at the same time he's also really still very supportive of his original concept for Smash Bros which is keeping the entry point as easy as possible. It really is a game that you can pick up, you can instantly start playing with just a little bit of movement on a control stick and just one or two buttons and you can feel like you're having fun. And certainly as you start to see some of the changes in Super Smash Bros Ultimate—One of the big ones that he's done is added a damage multiplier for the 1v1 games so that when you're playing 1 vs 1 you're doing more damage than you would in a 4 player match like we're seeing here [Bayonetta, Pit, marth, Mewtwo on Battlefield].

And so what that does is actually increases the tempo of the matches for those more competitive players while still keeping the game fun & exciting and easy to get into for a more casual fan.



IGN: OK so you're talking about some of the tempo changes. We do have some video up now, can you talk about some of the other changes we'll see because this is the e3 build we're looking at right now.



Trinnen: That's right, so this is an interim version and of course Mr. Sakurai is incredibly known for taking every last minute of development to really fine tune a game, so we will see changes from this build as approach launch. But of course for the game over all some of the big changes—First of course is the speed, its been sped up quite a bit. So it's faster than the Wii U version and you can see that in both the player movement and in terms of the animation and things like that. But he's also of course gone in & made very big overhaul to just the overall gameplay mechanics because of that change in speed. They've added new things, such as the way that you do your Perfect Shield, they added a new aerial dodge to this game that didn't exist in the previous version and between the addition of things like the speed & aerial dodge it really changes mechanics and gives you essentially a whole new skillset to try and master. And of course that cascades across the 60+ characters in the game in terms of how to balance all of them.



IGN: I don't know how you balance a game like this! Like you're talking about Kirby and I just, I—Kirby has to be able to absorb every other character. That's like an exponential amount of balancing to do there.



Trinnen: Yeah so you've got like 60+ characters and then you've got Kirby who's got to have 60+ variations for each of those characters.



IGN: You're all out of your mind. Obviously trying to find that balance and trying to get that sort of thing tested is difficult, are we going to see a test for this like we did with ARMS or Splatoon?

Trinnen: Very good question. Right now they're focused very much on getting the game ready, but we have a few other things to be talking about later down the road between now & when it launches in December, so we'll hopefully have some news on that as we get closer to launch.



IGN: So there's lots of excitement about the new characters. What can you tell us about them, the reaction to them so far?



Trinnen: So obviously, I think the biggest reaction at e3 was to Ridley, a character who is a fan favorite particularly here in North America. I think I saw recently online that fans in Japan started referring to him as "Captain America" because he's so popular here.



Everyone: (Laughs)



IGN: That is quickly becoming a meme. Do you see like a different sort of audience appeal based on different characters based on different territories?



Trinnen: You know, absolutely and particularly with North America you have certainly the fans of the GameCube game, Super Smash Bros Melee, who are really really tuned into the charactesr that you saw in that game. With the Wii U game you start to see more players who have come into Smash Bros more recently and then tend to be I think kind of bigger affinity for some of the newer characters like Bayonetta, like Cloud and even you know the Xenoblade characters and things like that. So I think you know we're starting to see sort of a blending of these two communities and different characters that they're supporting. And of course with this game bringing back characters from the gamecube game like Ice Climbers, Pichu things like that it's going to be interesting to see what these two communities kind of come together, mix and play who is choosing which characters.



IGN: Can you talk about any cool changes with some of our old favorites?



Trinnen: One of my favorites is Ganondorf. Obviously him just being such an iconic character portion of the Zelda series, but he has always had a moveset that was somewhat similar to Captain Falcon's. In his taunt, he had a sword that he used but he never actually used it in his moveset. That's been changed this time, he actually has a move that he uses his sword that I think fans of Ganondorf are going to be excited to see.



IGN: Now, I am a very very big metal gear fan and it was incredible exciting to see Snake at e3. Weird that it wasn't in a metal gear game.



Everyone: (Laughs)



IGN: I hear that David Hayter is back for this, correct?



Trinnen: Yeah David Hayter is doing the voice for Snake.



IGN: How did he respond to that? How was that reaction? Was he ! above the head?



Trinnen: That's my understanding. I mean he's certainly been tweeting about it & he's excited I think to be back and we're excited to have him back. So I think it's going to be great



IGN: Why do you think people love this game so much? I mean Max & I have been playing since we were 12 years old, so a lot of nostalgia with this one obviously.



Trinnen: Yeah well in that case, in the treehouse at Nintendo I think we've played every day at lunch after work for 10 years straight. We absolutely adore this series. I think, for me, what is so magical about this game is the unpredictability. Even when you're playing match after match after match the combination of characters, the stages, the physics of the game, the way that hings interact and especially when you're playing with items and what not it just introduces so many layers of chaos that you never know what's going to happen. And that's why it always feels like, even when the chaos unfolds and you lose a match you instantly feel like you can get back in this and play another game and I can still have a shot at winning. I think it's sort of that unique nature that really brings people together and of course just the fact that you can play together with so many friends and everyone wants to be part of it. In the treehouse, we would always, every match, there was a queue. "I'm queued," "I'm queued," "I'm queued..."



IGN: Sounds like an arcade!

Trinnen: Yeah



IGN: Now this is sort of a no brainer question: obviously you guys are focused on getting the game out the door but is it safe to assume that we'll probably see DLC kind of—future characters added to the roster?



Trinnen: Obviously that was a big part of the Wii U game, but part of Mr. Sakurai's approach is let's really focus on getting the game done. Then once he has the game done, he'll start to make some decisions about what he wants to do with other characters or DLC or things like that. So whether or not he decides to do DLC again or whether or not he decides this is the ultimate edition and there's nothing more I can fit in there we'll have to see as we get closer to launch.



IGN: We'll have to see. Thank you so much, Bill.

Wow, that's certainly interesting that he said it in plural considering we only have Shulk....
 

Big One

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Oct 25, 2017
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You have to remember Smash Ultimate's roster is different from others. For example their picks so far are based on ballot picks rather than "we have to add THIS CHARACTER cause it's a new big IP" of course people could point to Inkling but they're forgetting Inkling is one of the most requested characters for Smash.

Incineroar though? No way. That doesn't fit anything and he isn't really echo-able like Daisy or Ritcher Belmont to be included just because.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,917
Japan definitely would given how big Rhythm Heaven is over there, but the question is if Western fans would.
Even there it's a modest success but nothing crazy. The latest game sold less than 200k there. In the West the popularity is almost non existent it seems. It peaked pretty well with the first game on DS, but since then sales have waned by a lot.
 

Tribal_Cult

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
3,548
Also yes GX is getting the brunt of it because we know if they didn't have inside info we'd already have a two hour discussion and multiple update videos.

Personally, I found their take on the thing annoying not because of the absence of discussions, but because they outright lie in their update video with horrible explanations. Too blurry? OK, I can get that. That is Banjo in Smashified? Come the fuck on. If they put up a video of 20 seconds saying: "We don't believe this leak to be real because of insider info disconfirming it.", it would be better, instead than coming up with terrible excuses for it and then being all cheeky with their tweets and stuff. I guess the annoying part is that they totally go over the fact that even if the leak is fake, it's well done.

I mean, let's assume they're right, they know the roster, and so they know the leak is fake. Too easy to come out and be like "Come on guys, it's blurry, Banjo looks off, it's obvious it's fake" and make us look like gullible idiots in the meantime.
Especially since only 4 years ago they were the ones going against everyone regarding the ESRB leak. They come off as arrogant. A simple: "Yep, looks good and we understand why you all fell for it, but sorry, we know it's fake for reasons.".
 
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