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Anbec

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Can someone explain to me the Otter thing? I have been reading like 5 pages but is all madness... lol
 

Weiss

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Journalists refusing to talk about a leak due to Nintendo pressure would speak very ill of the state of video game journalism. It's one thing to refuse to say stuff due to NDAs and protecting sources and another to not do Nintendo's dirty work. So that's quite the conspiracy theory.

I don't buy it for a second but I guess I understand the logic? Like the leak breaks so in order to maintain good relationships with Nintendo the insiders don't say anything about it so as to not legitimize the leak in the public's eye.
 

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They said in a Direct that they "streamlined" the ways we can unlock the fighters, what does that even mean? Can we still be able to unlock them by just playing Versus? If they want us to unlock in a special order (the order they appeared in the series) then that must mean the other methods such as playing with certain character in Classic mode that relates to another one (Such as finishing Classic mode in hard mode with Samus to unlock Ridley) are gone, otherwise people would be able to unlock in anyway they want, right?
I just took it as "made it way easier." Brawl made you play 450 vs matches to unlock everyone, and I think gave you a new character roughly every 50. I could see this game giving you a new one roughly every 5, while still keeping the alternate methods of unlocking like beat classic with x character so no matter what you're constantly unlocking people
 

alexi52

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Also "leak bait" is something every company employs. Just because Harada successfully employed it for Tekken doesn't mean it's worked for other Bamco games. Soulcalibur VI and Smash Ultimate has seen plenty leaks.
Let's just say if this leak is real and Incineroar was leak bait, then it did do it's job because now every insider is doing every thing in there power to discredit the leak, with all these insiders calling the leak fake it leads to people believing them and to not expect the leak characters to be confirmed
 

NotLiquid

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They said in a Direct that they "streamlined" the ways we can unlock the fighters, what does that even mean? Can we still be able to unlock them by just playing Versus? If they want us to unlock in a special order (the order they appeared in the series) then that must mean the other methods such as playing with certain character in Classic mode that relates to another one (Such as finishing Classic mode in hard mode with Samus to unlock Ridley) are gone, otherwise people would be able to unlock in anyway they want, right?
Sakurai described the process as wanting to make it feel like you're "constantly recruiting new fighters".

I don't think it's got to do with easier versus mode unlocks, I think it has to do with Spirits.
 

Dark Cloud

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Let's just say if this leak is real and Incineroar was leak bait, then it did do it's job because now every insider is doing every thing in there power to discredit the leak, with all these insiders calling the leak fake it leads to people believing them and to not expect the leak characters to be confirmed
But we know they've said Incineroar + another character is missing.
 

Regulus Tera

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I don't buy it for a second but I guess I understand the logic? Like the leak breaks so in order to maintain good relationships with Nintendo the insiders don't say anything about it so as to not legitimize the leak in the public's eye.
I sincerely hope that's not the case. It's not like video game journalism isn't already a giant PR mouthpiece for the industry, for them to go even farther would be pretty bad.
 

Gilbals

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They said in a Direct that they "streamlined" the ways we can unlock the fighters, what does that even mean? Can we still be able to unlock them by just playing Versus? If they want us to unlock in a special order (the order they appeared in the series) then that must mean the other methods such as playing with certain character in Classic mode that relates to another one (Such as finishing Classic mode in hard mode with Samus to unlock Ridley) are gone, otherwise people would be able to unlock in anyway they want, right?

Probably akin to SSE with Spirits in that someone's always showin up
 

NotLiquid

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Let's just say if this leak is real and Incineroar was leak bait, then it did do it's job because now every insider is doing every thing in there power to discredit the leak, with all these insiders calling the leak fake it leads to people believing them and to not expect the leak characters to be confirmed
I think you're overestimating how much "effort" they're actually putting into discrediting it. Most people just say "nah, it doesn't add up". The only reason it looks to people like they're trying is because people can't stop badgering them about real answers.
 

Rotobit

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In Spirits mode I like to think you'll meet and acquire Simon near the entrance of the Castlevania area and Richter will be unlocked by gettkng to the end and beating Dracula.

Defeating Dracula will also unlock a one way door that's a back way into Brinstar.

let me dream dammit

The idea of a hub world or something that lets you pick which game "world" to go to would actually be really cool, and let the player pick where they go first. That'd imply every franchise has its own levels and boss, though, besides the retro characters I guess
 

AndreGX

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I think it's fair to make the guess that insiders may have completely wrong info but to argue that these insiders and journos don't want to "upset Nintendo" or whatever is one hell of a tinfoil theory. It makes it sound like Nintendo employs some of the more staunch "deniers" of this leak as some sort of personal fall guy, and that's a bit of a humiliating assertion to make that I highly doubt any self-respecting journalist would consent to. If any of these guys blindly get these things wrong, that's a pretty big blow to their journalistic integrity to be honest.

Consider how almost none of the names we've seen speak up about the leak have actually had that much of a history "leaking" Smash info, it doesn't really behoove any of these guys to talk about this particular leak either - and it's not like Gamexplain has been roadblocked from covering this particular rumor either, they already have two videos about it on their channel. The only thing they haven't done is a discussion about it - and the easy answer to why they haven't is because it's probably really hard for them to casually discuss why they don't believe in this leak without giving away knowledge they're seemingly privy to. A lot of people who fall into Team Real like to make a case for themselves that people are overthinking the leak in regards to what makes it "fake", but that's somewhat ironic given the conclusion you'd have to reach to assume that GX or anyone are willingly coming out against this just because Nintendo will get mad if they don't.

The easy answer is a lot of thirsty fans are getting their hopes up, and people who've been privy to knowledge in the past are suggesting not to do that because what they know outright contradicts it. If they're wrong about that, that's fair, but there's no conspiracy at play here.

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Barely Able

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I just took it as "made it way easier." Brawl made you play 450 vs matches to unlock everyone, and I think gave you a new character roughly every 50. I could see this game giving you a new one roughly every 5, while still keeping the alternate methods of unlocking like beat classic with x character so no matter what you're constantly unlocking people
Hopefully they get rid of the match number requirements. Was irritating just killing myself in single stock to unlock.
 

Alexhex

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Hasn't the general website coverage of the leak be pretty par for the course? Stuff like imran's article was very well-reasoned and about the sort of thing you'd expect for any other big-looking leak. I don't really expect websites to be documenting every twist and turn rando forums users come with, as fun as it's been to follow
 
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The easy answer is a lot of thirsty fans are getting their hopes up, and people who've been privy to knowledge in the past are suggesting not to do that because what they know outright contradicts it. If they're wrong about that, that's fair, but there's no conspiracy at play here.

That's always sounded like the case to me. I don't know why people can't just keep it fun. These leaks are likely inaccurate, which is fine if you're just using them to talk about your dreams and anticipations for the game. I mean, ERA has made 10 threads for this game so far purely on hype.

But seeing some parts turn ugly because people are truly concerned about the veracity of "leaks" is perplexing to me. We're all gonna get the game soon and we'll be sure what's in it, then. In the meantime, people should have fun and speculate. But nobody's reputation should be on the line, here.

It's a game, folks. Not just the video game, but posting in this thread. Have fun with it.
 

Mark1

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I think this is the last Smash Bros game like we know it. That is why I hope characters such as Banjo and Geno make it in. There won't be a next time.
Same. I think the next one will be a massive shake up to the formula.

If they make a sequel and are still able to top this then Sakurai isn't even human. I'd be convinced
 

Yavga

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Okay, so... If the leak would be fake,

What characters are we expecting at that moment? I know we were stuck with the box theory before which led me to believe Incineroar-Shadow-Ken. Then we still had Vergeben with his Square rep and Minecraft content, now we also have Isaac rumored.

That it for now?
 

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Incineroar+plus another leak bait are pretty much helping protect the surprise of the Grinch leak characters reveal

Haven't several insiders here been open to the possibility that some characters in the leak could be playable, and it's just a matter of it not being all seven of them?
 

night814

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It seems like every insider belives Incineroar is in which is part of the reason I believe he's leak bait, no one has seen him yet everyone thinks he's in, and all this only applies to him
I feel like there's still a good chance for him, but I think it's possible too that he was considered/in development for some time but didn't make the final cut. EVERY smash games has character data left over from cut characters.
 

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Okay, so... If the leak would be fake,

What characters are we expecting at that moment? I know we were stuck with the box theory before which led me to believe Incineroar-Shadow-Ken. Then we still had Vergeben with his Square rep and Minecraft content, now we also have Isaac rumored.

That it for now?

MysticDistance retracted their statements after being contacted by other sources. Isaac's off the table again.

The only characters "guaranteed" (and I stress the quotes) are Incineroar, Ken, and a potential Square rep.
 

Xtortion

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The idea of a hub world or something that lets you pick which game "world" to go to would actually be really cool, and let the player pick where they go first. That'd imply every franchise has its own levels and boss, though, besides the retro characters I guess

I'm thinking fully interconnected world where each area is based on a diffeeent franchise. It would be interconnected less in the Metroid sense and more in the Souls sense with unlocking one way doors for shortcuts and such. So maybe you have the Mushroom Kingdom that branches to Dream Land and Hyrule, but it can also be accessed through a locked back door if you loop around the world through other areas.

Idk, just spitballin'
 

Danzflor

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Okay, so... If the leak would be fake,

What characters are we expecting at that moment? I know we were stuck with the box theory before which led me to believe Incineroar-Shadow-Ken. Then we still had Vergeben with his Square rep and Minecraft content, now we also have Isaac rumored.

That it for now?
Yep, if we disregard the leak completely, we would back to that point, but just as any leak, keep in mind that it also there's the posibility of not being true. It is not that I don't believe reputable sources, but people tend to forget very often about the Gematsu situation (when they were fed outdated info).
 

Rotobit

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I'm thinking fully interconnected world where each area is based on a diffeeent franchise. It would be interconnected less in the Metroid sense and more in the Souls sense with unlocking one way doors for shortcuts and such. So maybe you have the Mushroom Kingdom that branches to Dream Land and Hyrule, but it can also be accessed through a locked back door if you loop around the world through other areas.

Idk, just spitballin'

Honestly anything that uses enemies and locations from actual Nintendo games like Melee Adventure and not vague blandness is fine by me
 

ItsKipz

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Okay, so... If the leak would be fake,

What characters are we expecting at that moment? I know we were stuck with the box theory before which led me to believe Incineroar-Shadow-Ken. Then we still had Vergeben with his Square rep and Minecraft content, now we also have Isaac rumored.

That it for now?
Ken and Isaac are as close to 100% as possible for me, with shadow and geno as possibilities.
 

Weiss

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I'm thinking fully interconnected world where each area is based on a diffeeent franchise. It would be interconnected less in the Metroid sense and more in the Souls sense with unlocking one way doors for shortcuts and such. So maybe you have the Mushroom Kingdom that branches to Dream Land and Hyrule, but it can also be accessed through a locked back door if you loop around the world through other areas.

Idk, just spitballin'

I'll repeat myself until it gets burnt into existence. Spirits needs to be a free roaming, interconnected map that you explore and find treasures and power ups, and fight bosses. Game over when your character/team dies.

Smash Roguelike. Lay it on me fam.
 
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