Lol. This isn't anything to do with the script or the story mate, this is a .jpg done by some Rockstar artist. Surely someone could sneak a change in the texture in the last weeks.
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Red Dead Redemption 2 devs sneak crunch criticism into the game
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Lol. This isn't anything to do with the script or the story mate, this is a .jpg done by some Rockstar artist. Surely someone could sneak a change in the texture in the last weeks.
Thats the part that stood out to me too.
But I would assume it means in the grander "software development" world. Game devs get paid kind of low in that area.
No one sneaked anything. That text has been on Rockstar's website for a while in the weapons feature page and it sounds like a typical Rockstar writing.
It's also on official RDR2 merch.
Yeah, that reads like an ad from a GTA game, that's the type of satirical humor you kinda expect. In Red Dead, it feels out of place.
That weapon description can be found here: https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry
It's not 'snuck' in, it's Rockstar writing.
It's not 'snuck' in, it's Rockstar writing.
Cool, in that case I doubt even more strongly that this is in direct reference to anything going on at R* and is just a fun in-universe joke.
Leaning towards "not a coincidence" due to the word weekend being there. Kind of funny either way.
The whole point for when we salary someone is because its too expensive to pay them by the hour considering they do more than 40 hours of work a week. Salary them, and the problem solves itself
low pay sounds right, even with the bonuses.
in the kotaku article, schreier says that bonuses sometimes reached the mid-five digits (~$50K) for red dead redemption.
i am assuming that bonuses for gtav, a game the released 3 years later and was more successful, were even bigger. maybe not a safe assumption -- profits seem to have a hard time trickling down from management a lot of the time...
and all early indications are that RDR2 is doing really well, both critically and commercially, so employees are in line to get bonuses for RDR2.
if it were me, a $50K bonus would not be worth busting my ass for 60-80hr hrs a week for a whole year or two years, as one of the NYC rockstar devs recalls. i would need a huge level of base compensation to make that worth it, like $200K+benefits a year. and then any bonus should be on top.
in the kotaku article, schreier says that bonuses sometimes reached the mid-five digits (~$50K) for red dead redemption.
i am assuming that bonuses for gtav, a game the released 3 years later and was more successful, were even bigger. maybe not a safe assumption -- profits seem to have a hard time trickling down from management a lot of the time...
and all early indications are that RDR2 is doing really well, both critically and commercially, so employees are in line to get bonuses for RDR2.
if it were me, a $50K bonus would not be worth busting my ass for 60-80hr hrs a week for a whole year or two years, as one of the NYC rockstar devs recalls. i would need a huge level of base compensation to make that worth it, like $200K+benefits a year. and then any bonus should be on top.
Yeah, this is definitely something snuck in by a dev over the work environment at Rockstar. It feels too blatant.
EDIT: Seems I'm wrong. What a dumb ad though as it makes no sense to ad that line. It's not cute or clever or subversive to even be a parody or satire.
EDIT: Seems I'm wrong. What a dumb ad though as it makes no sense to ad that line. It's not cute or clever or subversive to even be a parody or satire.
Thanks that's helpful : o
But seriously, enlighten me, I didn't put those question marks for decoration.
If you're "low payed" and over-exploited, why not change jobs ?
I mean it's definitely possible someone tried to "slip in" some criticism, but it's just as possible that it is not some thinly-veiled criticism of Rockstar's crunch culture.
Without actually getting comment from the dev who did it... it's really in the eye of the beholder.
Without actually getting comment from the dev who did it... it's really in the eye of the beholder.
Depends on a number of factors, from position to seniority. But the "little pay" is probably relative to hours worked. Game devs generally make decent money, and I haven't heard much about Rockstar specifically paying people poorly.
I've always meant to ask, just how much does a RDR2 dev make?
The game takes a humorous tone in advertisements in the game.
In the movie theater there's a film about the future of miraculous flying machines, one of the slides shows a man crashing and getting set on fire, and his sons having to put him out and continue his work.
The game isn't GTA, but it takes plenty of opportunity to poke fun at the setting.
It depends on person to person, but here are few reasons that someone might not do so:
1. Lack of career prospects in other arenas. Often, the experience you get in the game industry doesn't really help you with other jobs. So if you are an "unskilled" laborer (usually, as in not having a college degree), but you have worked for a few years at one company, it's advantageous for you to stick with that company, as your cache of loyalty/experience in the company is worth more there than it would be elsewhere or in another industry.
2. Difficulty moving jobs. Changing jobs in any industry is difficult. Going through an application process, working on a portfolio (which is very common among game industry professionals), tons of paperwork.......... and often you have to keep it a secret from your current place of employment. Also, considering the smaller amount of game companies compared to some other industries, often a move to another company also includes a real life move, which is a whole other can of worms. It could involve having a spouse change jobs too, or pulling your kids out of their school. It's a MASSIVE life change that's often very expensive.
3. The "dream job" thing. Now, this is probably an overblown theory, because I haven't really encountered it in the games industry as much as people outside the industry would think. But there are people who want to work in the industry no matter the cost. Yes, they know they're being exploited, and they know that they're underpaid, but they cannot or will not do any other job, because working on games is their dream job. This also applies to a lot of entry level workers (like QA) trying to move their way into the design sector.
Ah yes, the hilarious joke that the makers of the most recent "revolver" (while incredibly proud of their creation) work long hours, including weekends, for low pay for the amount of effort. Definitely biting commentary on the labor culture at gun manufacturers at the dawn of the 20th century. Exactly the same conclusion as my essay on why Animal Farm is a book about animals on a farm, with no other significance.
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No one sneaked anything. That text has been on Rockstar's website for a while in the weapons feature page and it sounds like a typical Rockstar writing.
It's also on official RDR2 merch.
Aaaand cut..
This is more accurately applied to the people desperately going to absurd lengths to try to make this anything other than what it obviously is. I guess Occam's razor doesn't apply if the end result is damaging to your identity.
Since it came up, here's a AAA developer on the compensation at Rockstar:
What you have discovered is the reason why game developers often have a short shelf life and depart to use the same skills in different industries in less than 5 years.
Yeah the little pay could be someone just doing random things I guess that doesn't get as much as others. The coders are all well paid. I am sure everyone is compensated, but to what degree we don't know.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/14342386
yup, sure seems snuck in, even though it's been in printed material and on their site for quite some time.
How is this not a jab at them? It makes no sense otherwise.
It being on promotional materials is weird, I'll say that.
It being on promotional materials is weird, I'll say that.