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This is ridiculous!!! Three cities in VA has an actual age limit on trick or treating of 12 years old. Anyone older than 12 trick or treating in these three cities will be guilty of a misdemeanor.

So do cops in these three cities actually goes out on patrol on Halloween just to ask trick or treaters how old they are just to fine them, arrest them and put them in jail or both???

Chesapeake, VA: https://library.municode.com/va/che...deId=PTIICOOR_CH46OFMIPR_ARTIINGE_S46-8TRTRAC

Sec. 46-8. - Trick or treat activities.

(a) If any person over the age of 12 years shall engage in the activity commonly known as "trick or treat" or any other activity of similar character or nature under any name whatsoever, he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $25.00 nor more than $100.00 or by confinement in jail for not more than six months or both.

Newport News, VA: https://library.municode.com/va/new...dinances?nodeId=CD_ORD_CH28OFIS_S28-5PRTRTRAC

Sec. 28-5. - Prohibited trick or treat activities.

(a) If any person beyond the seventh grade of school or over twelve (12) years of age shall engage in the activity commonly known as "trick or treat" or any other activity of similar character or nature under any name whatsoever, such person shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. Nothing herein shall be construed as prohibiting any parent, guardian or other responsible person having lawfully in his custody a child twelve (12) years old or younger, from accompanying such child who is playing "trick or treat" for the purpose of caring for, looking after or protecting such child. However, no accompanying parent or guardian shall wear a mask of any type.

Norfolk, VA: https://www.norfolk.gov/index.aspx?NID=2528

Sec. 29-4. Prohibited "trick or treat" activities.

(a) If any person over the age of twelve (12) years shall engage in the activity commonly known as "trick or treat" or any other activity of similar character or nature under any name whatsoever, he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. Nothing herein shall be construed as prohibiting any parent, guardian or other responsible person, having lawfully in his custody a child twelve (12) years old or younger, from accompanying such child who is playing "trick or treat" for the purpose of caring for, looking after or protecting such child.

CBS News article about these three laws: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chesap...er-12-jail-time-to-thwart-halloween-mischief/

The city of Chesapeake, Virginia, is attempting to keep the "trick" part of trick-or-treating to a minimum by threatening jail time for Halloween troublemakers over 12 years old.

The city's ordinance code states if anyone over 12 years of age participates in "trick or treat" or any similar activity, "he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $25.00 nor more than $100.00 or by confinement in jail for not more than six months or both."

The city is also strict on the schedule for Halloween, with city code stating any person trick-or-treating after 8 p.m. will be guilty of a misdemeanor and punished by up to a $100.00 fine or jail time of up to 30 days, or both.

Chesapeake isn't the only city in Virginia imposing strict limits on Halloween. Newport News and Norfolk also have rules on the books stating that anyone older than 12 or beyond seventh grade found trick-or-treating will be "guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor."
The codes do allow parents or guardians to accompany children below the age of 12 without penalty.
 

ColdSun

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Honestly, these age restrictions are just foolish in my opinion. I would much rather have older kids out trick or treating if it means they aren't out doing other things. These kids aren't going to just stay at home.
 

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What lame Trick or Treats at 13?

/S who cares when you trick or treat... I haven't since I was 7 personally
 

Gaia Lanzer

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That sucks, but I think the more strange thing is that there is a city called "Newport News". Is their newspaper called the Newport News News?
 

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Atlas_XIX

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I stopped trick or treating at twelve mainly I was starting to get strange looks from adults, and they would put less candy in my bag than the younger kids.
 

tommy7154

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I think I did when I was 13. Theyre probably doing it to discourage any 15 or so year olds from going out and doing stupid shit. Im not saying I agree with it, just that it's probably the reason.
 

Teiresias

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12 may be a bit too young, but seriously, anyone going trick or treating over the age of like 15 needs to talk to their parents about just having a Halloween party or something.

Frankly, the time restrictions for trick or treating are the most important in my opinion. Nowadays, even in suburban areas of Central Virginia most trick or treating for school age kids is finished before night actually falls, a big change from when I was a kid.
 

riotous

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Back in the day douche teenagers would go around in costumes mugging kids for candy and shit, smashing pumpkins or throwing fireworks on porches.

Whether it works or not I imagine the idea is to discouraged masked delinquents from roaming around causing shit.
 

lunarworks

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The last time I went trick or treating was 12 or 13, with friends.

After that it's just... no.

(Law shouldn't enforce this, shame is enough.)
 

whatsinaname

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With laws like this, I am surprised we haven't had a video yet of someone calling the cops on a "older looking" brown or black kid.
 
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These three laws has eve been reported by the ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/its-no-trick-these-virginia-cities-are-criminalizing-halloween

It's No Trick — These Virginia Cities Are Criminalizing Halloween

In Chesapeake, Virginia, trick-or-treaters over 12 years old can be punished for trick-or-treating with a fine of "not less than $25.00 nor more than $100.00 or by confinement in jail for not more than six months or both." The potential penalty for asking for candy after 8 p.m., regardless of age? A maximum fine of $100, up to 30 days in jail, or both. Other Virginia cities, including Norfolk, Hampton, Suffolk, Portsmouth, and Virginia Beach, have comparable age and time limitations on trick-or-treating, as do other localities across the country.

Some of Virginia's local ordinances are even more restrictive. For instance, in Newport News, "no accompanying parent or guardian shall wear a mask of any type." This local restriction runs counter to the exception created by the Virginia Legislature, which permits masks worn as part of "traditional holiday costumes." This is an exemption to a state law that makes it a Class 6 felony, punishable by up to five years in jail, for any person over the age of 16 to "wear any mask, [or] hood… to conceal the identity of the wearer." Now, that is scary.

These ordinances unnecessarily criminalize behavior and impose penalties that are grossly excessive. They are overly broad and impose arbitrary limitations that are not demonstrably connected to public safety. There is a significant risk that these policies will not be enforced consistently, disproportionately impacting children and people of color and persons with developmental disabilities. Although Chesapeake city officials announced on their website that officers will "not [be] actively seeking out violations of the time or age limits," there is no way to ensure individual community members or law enforcement officials act accordingly. Moreover, it is foreseeable these provisions could be used to justify police stops, using reasonable suspicion of an ordinance violation as a pretense. Each police stop or citation could result in serious financial and immigration consequences, in addition to the criminal ramifications imposed.

Can I get a collective "boo"?

In other words, the only thing a 13-year-old trick-or-treater should fear is a stomach ache at bedtime — not jail.
 

Kelpie

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No one is going to be arrested for trick or treating. They'd get a warning at worst.

On Monday, local website HR Scenepublished ordinances from cities throughout the Hampton Roads area in Virginia that all stated in various ways that anyone caught trick-or-treating over a certain age, and/or past a certain time, would face punishment in the form of a fine and/or actual jail time.

The post led to a bit of a media frenzy. Many major outletsrecirculated the clauses found in several Virginia town codes, which caused people who actually live in those areas to panic.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/virginia-police-halloween-arrest-fine
 

TheBeardedOne

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So they're going to punish teenagers who want to do something innocent like trick or treating? That's smart, and a good way to have things backfire.
 

tadaima

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So they're going to punish teenagers who want to do something innocent like trick or treating? That's smart, and a good way to have things backfire.
This. There is nothing wrong with the activity and it is a good way to distract teens from more destructive activities.

What about teen siblings or adults accompanying children? Are they exempt? What's the difference? Is it intimidation? If so, what if I as an adult bring my cute puppy along to soften the blow?
 

gnomed

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With laws like this, I am surprised we haven't had a video yet of someone calling the cops on a "older looking" brown or black kid.
I'd be worried about something like this happening. Has any incident happened; not yet, but something like this should not be law. Especially with the intent of charging a minor of a misdemeanor. With the current racially charged political climate and Nazi infested police force, I wouldn't put it past a few police officers.
 

wisdom0wl

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Damn. On one hand the last time I went trick or treating was around 12, but on the other hand if I wasn't easily embarrassed at the thought of it I would've definitely gone trick or treating in high school. The amount of free candy that I used to have was absurd smh.
 

Ogodei

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The idea I guess is to stop teens from wandering around and causing trouble and only claiming that they're trick-or-treating if the cops came by. Cuts that excuse.

Probably bullshit, but I'd guess that's the reason.
 

Eshayon

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They've already said on local news stations that they're not going to arrest kids for trick or treating, just the kids that are causing trouble. Still something that needs to be updated.
 

pizoxuat

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Keep in mind that studies show that white people vastly overestimate the age of children of color. To the tune of 4 years for black children. There's going to be 9 year olds terrorized by empowered bigots and the cops they call because of this law.
 
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They've already said on local news stations that they're not going to arrest kids for trick or treating, just the kids that are causing trouble. Still something that needs to be updated.

Here's what the ACLU states: https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/its-no-trick-these-virginia-cities-are-criminalizing-halloween

These ordinances unnecessarily criminalize behavior and impose penalties that are grossly excessive. They are overly broad and impose arbitrary limitations that are not demonstrably connected to public safety. There is a significant risk that these policies will not be enforced consistently, disproportionately impacting children and people of color and persons with developmental disabilities. Although Chesapeake city officials announced on their website that officers will "not [be] actively seeking out violations of the time or age limits," there is no way to ensure individual community members or law enforcement officials act accordingly. Moreover, it is foreseeable these provisions could be used to justify police stops, using reasonable suspicion of an ordinance violation as a pretense. Each police stop or citation could result in serious financial and immigration consequences, in addition to the criminal ramifications imposed.
 

Eshayon

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Okay, good to know. I live in this area and not really putting much stock into anything big happening from this. Though, I will let you know if there are any reports of anyone getting fined or arrested in the news. Just need to get the lawmakers off their butts to update something that's outdated for modern times. I am more worried about people now knowing that this is an actual thing and who will go out and just be asses, because that's what all the kids do these days? Man I never thought I would sound like a parent.
 

PhoenixSFT

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C'mon, I wasn't serious. But I see It came across as dickish.

It did come across as dickish, but yeah, I had a close group of friends. To echo another poster, even when I was 12 I got weird looks from adults and got less candy than my sisters.

Plus side, I'd stay home and hand out candy and would scare the crap out of teenagers who did stop by.
 

F2BBm3ga

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I live in Newport News, bad news (ha) for me but good news for my 3 year old.

Im from and live in bad newz too. Loved the richer white neighborhoods when I was growing up cause they just left a big bowl of candy out in front of the door.

My friends and I definitely took advantage coming from the hood. Lol
 

Denamitea

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Seems like one, a good way to split up friend groups for this activity (it's now illegal for 13 year olds to trick or treat with their 12 year old friends) and two, give older kids more free time to wreak havoc instead of collecting candy.
 

Violence Jack

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My parents didn't take me to other houses to trick or treat, they took me to the mall and Six Flags Fright Fest where I had a blast and received tons of candy. Seems like having more events like that would be more beneficial than putting up an age restriction.