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What do you think of IntelliHeath's Halloween avatar?

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Neiteio

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On a side note, was there any truth to MGS2's ending being altered pre-release due to Sept. 11, or is that urban legend?
 

1000% H

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...Wait, why is there discussion about cropping again?

Each character portrait is on it's own layer. That's part of why people were arguing the Grinch leak is legit in the first place. Why would spots on characters need to be shoddily cropped off as though every character was on the same front layer and one needed to be scrubbed off?

The Grinch leak support wagon is getting so over the top excited that it's pretzeling in on itself even when it's unnecessary and actively contradictory.
The final image on the site isn't in layers, it's a bunch of images side by side.
 

Strittles

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there is a difference between "it could be related to isaac" to "OMG ITS TOTALLY ISAAC IT CANT BE A COINCIDENCE" at least in regards to the sprout item
But not everyone is saying it is? More people are acting like the former than the latter. His post comes across like we've lost our mind for believing in anything that points to Isaac and this whole thread thinks he's 100% in. Which isn't true at all.
But what is there to discuss with this. We have seen how that this is just a site glitch and nothing else so like of course this will shut down discussion and now people are trying to turn this around to the last direct which is disrespectful as fuck. If your only concern with that post is that it comes off as rude than I think that post is perfect since there is nothing to discuss here about that.
Alright I agree in regards to the earthquake but that's not the only point being discussed about Isaac. We can ignore that and still discuss the other things that support the character without being condescending.
 

ItsKipz

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Oct 27, 2018
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can we just refer to the theory as "sakurai had to delay the announcement due to other circumstances" and leave it at that? better to avoid anyone getting upset over it
 
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Yeah, people are starting to notice that.


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That was confirmed to be part of Olimar's glove
 

JoeInky

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...Wait, why is there discussion about cropping again?

Each character portrait is on it's own layer. That's part of why people were arguing the Grinch leak is legit in the first place. Why would spots on characters need to be shoddily cropped off as though every character was on the same front layer and one needed to be scrubbed off?

The Grinch leak support wagon is getting so over the top excited that it's pretzeling in on itself even when it's unnecessary and actively contradictory.

I think if you've never used any modern graphics software you probably don't know about the existence of layers.
 

TeamLeftMatch

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Best scenario is the leak being real. TONS of exciting new movesets, possibilities for stages and music added, and Resetera without a thousand of lewd incineroar avatars.

ummm...none of the avatars I will ever make for the bet will ever be lewd at all. Besides it will be fun just having suddenly 60 members have incinerator avatars
 

jorgeobamajr

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How was it debunked?
Reposting (& rewording) this since I think some people missed it:

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The big wide banner on the Smash site is split among multiple images, sliding repeatedly across like an image galery. I found the individual images, and images 02 and 03 do 'split' in-between Olimar & Little Mac. However, by searching for the images in the wayback machine, I just get a singular significant change corresponding to Sep. 13th, that is, the Isabelle reveal. If someone wants to further explore Wayback Machine, be my guest.

From what I can gather, the person in that leak loaded the site in a manner that the old image for Banner02 was loaded, and the newest image at the time for Banner03 was loaded, leading to the weird crop. The differences in the seam line up with the 4chan post when you connect those two images.

The 'old' images are there since like, September 10th as well, at least according to wayback, so it wasn't an immediate or reactive change.

Sep 13 - 21:09: https://web.archive.org/web/20180913210950/https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/top/hero02_en.jpg
Sep 14 - 00:38: https://web.archive.org/web/20180914003829/https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/top/hero02_en.jpg

Sep 13 - 21:09: https://web.archive.org/web/20180913210951/https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/top/hero03_en.jpg
Sep 14 - 00:38: https://web.archive.org/web/20180914003829/https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/top/hero03_en.jpg

This is what you get when you match up the first image for banner 02 with the second image for banner 03
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Which seems to line up pretty well with the 4chan post.

It's a *massive* coincidence (and not in the sense that it 'proves' anything), particularly since I don't know how you could be extremely unlucky to load one old image and then one new one and then have it line up one month later with the Isaac thing that was apparently speculated (still ??? at that) to be in the same direct, but it's looking like nothing more than a coincidence.
 
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Arguing about whether we're getting fucking Mach Rider and Banjo is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more interesting than debating the qualities of fucking Ken and Incineroar. Like most of these past leaks are the safest shit, my grandmother could've predicted Ken was in the game.

Yeah, the Inceneroar people confuse me. Mach Rider is wayyyy more interesting. I love it when more throwback characters make it in.
 

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There, good shit. Amazing coincidence but that's all this is.

So just kill this thing already.
Well the leak itself is likely real, it's just this newest revelation is a coincidence.


see, this newest development was easily explained away. we haven't been able to do that with the grinch leak after five days straight of nonstop pouring over it. makes you think.
 

Weiss

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You mean the banner? No thanks. Literally anything is better than talking about the box theory and kencineroar again. Even Goku.

I'd like to agree but things have just been getting ugly here.

Then again I guess this whole Isaac discussion is my fault for posting it in the first place.
 

GiantBreadbug

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Oct 25, 2017
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IntelliHeath , check my spoiler for a Secret Bribe Proposal

I will vote that I like your avatar in the poll if you switch your Pokemon support to Decidueye

I already like the avatar but I am holding my vote hostage for this purpose
 
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JoeInky

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Oct 25, 2017
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The final image on the site isn't in layers, it's a bunch of images side by side.

Yes but the source will be 70+ different layers on top of each other, they add a new layer for Isabelle move her around as well as a few other layers to make it presentable and then convert it all into one image.

That image is then broken up into smaller sections too make it quicker to load and one person happened to log onto a site at the exact time it was updating, getting an old image on one side and a new image on the other, resulting in the weird crop.

The rest of the seams are just because when you start messing around constructing images together via html or anything like that, you're going to have those seams appear because it's not pixel perfect like a whole complete image would be.
 

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The comparison doesn't even make any sense. In the first seam people brought up, the seam was right next to the edge of Isaac. In this one, it completely overlaps Geno.

There's no consistent correlation here.

But coincidences. Don't think about them too hard. It's just coincidences.

Thing is, practically everything is. Save for some slight background misalignments, the only reason people have to doubt this leak are insider's word. It's honestly crazy a leak this big still hasn't been disproven.

"slight background misalignments" is a generous way to say "half a missing waterfall, less light detail in the clouds, missing crystals and more".
 
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Which is your favorite Goku?

Kid Goku, teen Goku, adult Goku, Super Saipan Goku, Super Saiyen 3 Goku, Super Saiyen God Super Saiyen, Super Saiyen Blue Goku, or Super Saiyen 4 Goku
 

Unknownlight

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...Wait, why is there discussion about cropping again?

Each character portrait is on it's own layer. That's part of why people were arguing the Grinch leak is legit in the first place. Why would spots on characters need to be shoddily cropped off as though every character was on the same front layer and one needed to be scrubbed off?

The Grinch leak support wagon is getting so over the top excited that it's pretzeling in on itself even when it's unnecessary and actively contradictory.

That misunderstands the argument. The source image by the artist has every character in a different layer, but the people who build the website don't. The website image is separated into many "panels" which scroll across the page, and it looks like when the website is updated only the panels that have changed art get updated, rather than all of them.

The cropping error is consistent with a hypothetical scenario where Isaac was added to the banner, and then removed later, and the person who manages the website removed Isaac by mistakenly reverting that panel rather than replacing it with the proper one.
 

PKrockin

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Oct 25, 2017
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can someone explain this isaac delay thing please?
One of Isaac's signature moves is Earthquake, apparently. One of the Nintendo Directs (the one that revealed Isabelle, IIRC) was delayed due to an earthquake in Japan. Some speculate Isaac was meant to be shown off in that direct, but his trailer had earthquake imagery that would have been in bad taste given what had just happened, so they put off revealing him.
 

Speedlynx

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Jesus this community is heading down the toilet fast.

FACT: The seam isn't there because a character was removed, it simply how the website works. The banner is split into sections and that's where two sections meet. It was either a case of one section not being uploaded correctly with the rest or someone's cache causing the site to not load properly.

FACT: The direct wasn't delayed because of Isaac. It was tasteless to suggest that back then and it's tasteless to suggest that now.

FACT: Two leaf sprouts are common as muck in games (now if it was three leafed I'd be impressed). Heck there's already another item using the two leaf sprout imagery, that's how common it is. Nothing suggests it's to do with Golden Sun. It could be related to a magnitude of properties.

FACT: Loads of Nintendo properties had their trademarks renewed this year. Where's the support for Ashley from Another Code huh? That was one of the other games renewed.

Yikes @ this post.

There is no way to be certain of "FACT" #2. On #3, the sprout symbol isn't common at all, it's only on one other item. They could've just reused the image for the GS item since it and the growth symbol are so similar. #4, Mach Rider, GS, Rhythm Haven and Banjo? Say it isn't proof all you want, but to suggest that it definitely means nothing? Come on.

You should probably abstain from the thread if you're getting this heated tbh
 

Hikari

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One of Isaac's signature moves is Earthquake, apparently. One of the Nintendo Directs (the one that revealed Isabelle, IIRC) was delayed due to an earthquake in Japan. Some speculate Isaac was meant to be shown off in that direct, but his trailer had earthquake imagery that would have been in bad taste given what had just happened, so they put off revealing him.

That's a stretch. I honestly doubt it.
 

Soralight8

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Oct 25, 2017
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if ken and incineroar are they last reveal they cant end the reveal with them the last reveal need to big that it need break the internt
 

Pause

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Which is your favorite Goku?

Kid Goku, teen Goku, adult Goku, Super Saipan Goku, Super Saiyen 3 Goku, Super Saiyen God Super Saiyen, Super Saiyen Blue Goku, or Super Saiyen 4 Goku
Kid Goku > Teen Goku > Adult Goku > Super Saiyan Goku > Ultra Instinct Goku > SSGSS Goku > SSJ4 Goku > SSJ3 Goku

The further they get from his original design the worse it gets, really.
 
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