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Deleted member 29682

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Nov 1, 2017
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Went up against my first mill deck. They spent so long setting up that they didn't have anything stop a dozen or so goblins battering their life points in before half my library was gone. I can see the appeal of playing a mill deck but I would have though you should at least play a creature before turn 6, especially against aggro.

Maybe they just had a bad draw though, or got greedy when they realised they started with 3 Psychic Corrosions.
 

LiQuid!

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Oct 26, 2017
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Anybody know how to get the Selesnya precon codes anymore? I saw a bunch of open revolt in the magic Twitch channel yesterday but they seem to have shut that down.
 
Sep 14, 2018
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I hate getting caught with the wrong counter in hand.

Syncopate is the only conditional counter worth mainboarding right now, as much as I dislike it for how fast it's value goes down. I've done a lot of testing and spells like Disdainful Stroke get stranded in too many match ups, still good in sideboard if you want.
 

Arkanim94

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Oct 27, 2017
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Syncopate is the only conditional counter worth mainboarding right now, as much as I dislike it for how fast it's value goes down. I've done a lot of testing and spells like Disdainful Stroke get stranded in too many match ups, still good in sideboard if you want.
LOL Wut?

There is a lot of better main boards counter than sincopate.

Ah conditional counters, my bad then.
 

BlackJace

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,450
Post your deck list, maybe we can help.

What are you running and what are the problems you run into?

4 Thoughtbound Phantasm
2 Dead Weight
1 Enhanced Surveillance
3 Nightveil Sprite
2 Unexplained Disapperance
4 Thought Erasure
2 Plaguecrafter
4 Notion Rain
2 Unmoored Ego
2 Creeping Chill
2 Price of Fame
2 Vraska's Contempt
2 Doom Whisperer

Getting Doom Whisperer out is easy enough, but the opponent always seems to have an answer for it. My synergies just don't seem to be firing.

I'm also a shitty Mulliganer so that might be one of my biggest problems.
 

Arkanim94

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Oct 27, 2017
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4 Thoughtbound Phantasm
2 Dead Weight
1 Enhanced Surveillance
3 Nightveil Sprite
2 Unexplained Disapperance
4 Thought Erasure
2 Plaguecrafter
4 Notion Rain
2 Unmoored Ego
2 Creeping Chill
2 Price of Fame
2 Vraska's Contempt
2 Doom Whisperer

Getting Doom Whisperer out is easy enough, but the opponent always seems to have an answer for it. My synergies just don't seem to be firing.

I'm also a shitty Mulliganer so that might be one of my biggest problems.
If you are going for turbo surveil imo you should add a playset of disinformation campaign, it does wonder in a deck like that.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
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4 Thoughtbound Phantasm
2 Dead Weight
1 Enhanced Surveillance
3 Nightveil Sprite
2 Unexplained Disapperance
4 Thought Erasure
2 Plaguecrafter
4 Notion Rain
2 Unmoored Ego
2 Creeping Chill
2 Price of Fame
2 Vraska's Contempt
2 Doom Whisperer

Getting Doom Whisperer out is easy enough, but the opponent always seems to have an answer for it. My synergies just don't seem to be firing.

I'm also a shitty Mulliganer so that might be one of my biggest problems.

-First of all why no Disinformation Campaign? Play that 4 times instead of Notion Rain.

-Secondly, where are the Dimir Spybug and Thoughtbound Phantasm? I would play a playset of Thoughbound Phantasm no matter what.

-Either you play more Doom Whisperers (and Dream Eaters) and play Ritual of Soot and Golden Demise (the board sweepers) to counter aggro decks, or you play the above mentioned Dimir Spybug and Thoughtbound Phantasms to be a bit quicker. I would only play Golden Demise then though, since they grow stronger than 2 toughness rather quickly.

-Don't play Unmoored Ego in your main deck.

Personally I would go with:
4 Disinformation Campaign
4 Thoughtbound Phantasm
4 Dimir Spybug
2 Doom Whisperer
2 Dream Eater

If you want to go more control, the boardswipes are a must, and I would also get the 3 mana counterspell with surveil 4 times in there then. (and maybe even two Mission Briefings)
 
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LiQuid!

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Oct 26, 2017
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Man I want that code as well...
Last I heard they were lotto'ing codes out to people in their Twtich Con chat at the rate of 1 person per 15 minutes, which is already pretty absurd. Might as well go buy a mega millions. I heard Gaby on her stream say that her and Day 9 had some codes to give out too, but not sure if/when that's happening. If the list for that precon that is the same as the one on the MTGA reddit the other day that's a pretty good start to making a decent meta tokens deck (saw a Trostani and Multitudes in it)
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
18,735
Last I heard they were lotto'ing codes out to people in their Twtich Con chat at the rate of 1 person per 15 minutes, which is already pretty absurd. Might as well go buy a mega millions. I heard Gaby on her stream say that her and Day 9 had some codes to give out too, but not sure if/when that's happening. If the list for that precon that is the same as the one on the MTGA reddit the other day that's a pretty good start to making a decent meta tokens deck (saw a Trostani and Multitudes in it)
God damn lol...I don't have a twitch account so I can probably say goodbye to those two actually good mythics.
 

Deleted member 29682

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Nov 1, 2017
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Seriously, who ropes at 15 life when neither of us have anything decent on the board? They conceded pretty quickly when I reciprocated though. My willingness to sit there doing literally nothing on a lazy Sunday morning is the stuff of legends.

Like I get it if they're busy or have a bad connection, but saying 'Good Game' prior to roping for 3 turns playing nothing but land then concede the moment my first timer shows up they might as well try to actually win or just save us both some time.
 
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GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,285
That is a fuckton of creature hate. Prob dro pthe murders and vicious offerings for some kind of creatures or you'll get blown out by any kind of control deck.

Also, had a damn good run with dino deck this morning. 10 wins pretty quick in Bo1 for dailies against some pretty top tier decks. No, you can do shit about this 10 damage banefire to the face, scumbag Tefari guy, go untap some more lands in HELL.
 

Sejanoz

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Nov 10, 2017
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Couple of questions: what are historic spells and how do you recognize them? What's City's Blessing? Why are some artifact creatures not grey? So much has changed in 12 years.
And I have 15k coins: I know Draft is the best way to obtain cards but I don't think I'm good enough to recognize the most valuable ones (much less play them).. should I just open packs until then? And why do packs only have like eight cards in them?
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oman
Couple of questions: what are historic spells and how do you recognize them? What's City's Blessing? Why are some artifact creatures not grey? So much has changed in 12 years.
And I have 15k coins: I know Draft is the best way to obtain cards but I don't think I'm good enough to recognize the most valuable ones (much less play them).. should I just open packs until then? And why do packs only have like eight cards in them?
Highlight or rite xlick a card to read further descriptions on abilities.
Ascend is when u control 10 permanents at any one time.
Historic are artifacts and sagas. Legendaries are historic too i think?
 

GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,285
Couple of questions: what are historic spells and how do you recognize them? What's City's Blessing? Why are some artifact creatures not grey? So much has changed in 12 years.
And I have 15k coins: I know Draft is the best way to obtain cards but I don't think I'm good enough to recognize the most valuable ones (much less play them).. should I just open packs until then? And why do packs only have like eight cards in them?

1. Historics are any artifact, any legendary, or any saga. Saga's are types of enchantments from the Dominiaria set. Any card that mentions Historics will have what it means on the little tab near the card (but I don't think this happens when in deck building, switch is stupid.
2.. Citys blessing is when you have 10 permanents on the field, then you get the cities blessing, which does stuff depending on the card
3. who knows
4. Draft if you're decent at draft and just care about building your collection of cards. If you suck at draft or just want specific cards, buy packs from the set with said specific cards and for wildcards.
5. packs have 8 cards because you're just missing some shitty commons and they cost less than normal 4 dollar paper packs.
 

BlackJace

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,450
Don't play Unmoored Ego or Creeping Chill.

So it sems Wizards of the Coast didn't want "both sides" Boogie to promote their game. Good on them.

I have one in my sideboard just for the Teferi decks. :P

If you are going for turbo surveil imo you should add a playset of disinformation campaign, it does wonder in a deck like that.

-First of all why no Disinformation Campaign? Play that 4 times instead of Notion Rain.

-Secondly, where are the Dimir Spybug and Thoughtbound Phantasm? I would play a playset of Thoughbound Phantasm no matter what.

-Either you play more Doom Whisperers (and Dream Eaters) and play Ritual of Soot and Golden Demise (the board sweepers) to counter aggro decks, or you play the above mentioned Dimir Spybug and Thoughtbound Phantasms to be a bit quicker. I would only play Golden Demise then though, since they grow stronger than 2 toughness rather quickly.

-Don't play Unmoored Ego in your main deck.

Personally I would go with:
4 Disinformation Campaign
4 Thoughtbound Phantasm
4 Dimir Spybug
2 Doom Whisperer
2 Dream Eater

If you want to go more control, the boardswipes are a must, and I would also get the 3 mana counterspell with surveil 4 times in there then. (and maybe even two Mission Briefings)

I appreciate the suggestions, Ego has been sideboarded and I've added some sweepers. Seems to be a bit better now!
 

aBIGeye

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Nov 2, 2017
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So what's the general consensus on the meta for bo1 Dominaria draft? Till now I went 4 wins twice with BW and 3 with BG, but I see these UW historic decks that usually wreck me. Are artifacts that easy/good to draft and build around?
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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So what's the general consensus on the meta for bo1 Dominaria draft? Till now I went 4 wins twice with BW and 3 with BG, but I see these UW historic decks that usually wreck me. Are artifacts that easy/good to draft and build around?

I'd suggest the UW decks. I got 4 wins with one. Then I tried a BU deck because I got some decent Dimir cards but I got wrecked because I didn't have enough synergy.
 

Boogiepop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man, moreso than with other decks, it really does make a world of difference if you go first or second against a Teferi deck, doesn't it?
 

Atrophis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Mono Red Frenzy vs Mono Blue Tempo in the finals of GP Lille.

Definitely building mono blue for my first standard deck.
 

Boogiepop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh yeah, and checking my lands, I crafted out the playsets for Boros and Golgari, and through random pickups I'm now only 1 Izzet checkland short, and one of each short on Dimir. Selesnya? I have one checkland, and that's it. And those are my colors! And I opened a crazy amount of Guilds! I'll get there eventually, and I'm not actually upset as I've got a pretty nice collection going... but man the game doesn't want me playing G/W for a while, haha. (The funny thing is, I've got most of the rest of the deck. Just need the Legion's Landings, but I have everything else but the lands. But at one rare wildcard currently... that may take a while.)
 

Volimar

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Getting to stick it to smug players is the best. Opponent gives a "Good game" and casts a Carnage Tyrant. Next turn I play Nightveil Predator. He wisely decided against attacking with the Tyrant and I ended up finishing him off ages later with Twilight Prophet's non combat damage.
 

caylen

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Oct 27, 2017
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santa monica
If you play standard & want something a little different to play, here's a deck some friends and I are running to high success on Magic Arena & Magic Online.

Your game 1 vs control decks isn't fantastic, but after boarding you get an absurd winrate due to threat density & most of your cards being high EV.

Green Black and anything that swarms creatures is an absurdly high 89% win rate game 1 for you, and it doesn't lose much after sideboarding either.

Mono red has about a 50/50 g1, then you smash after bringing in all the lifegain dorks for the game.

I'm 33 and 7 on it since Wednesday - strongly recommend it.


2 Karn, Scion of Urza
4 Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
4 Chart a Course
1 Cleansing Nova
2 Chemister's Insight
4 Nexus of Fate
3 Pause for Reflection
4 Root Snare
2 Uncomfortable Chill
1 Dawn of Hope
4 Gift of Paradise
3 Search for Azcanta
1 Arch of Orazca
4 Forest
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Hinterland Harbor
5 Island
1 Plains
3 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden

1 Cleansing Nova
2 Carnage Tyrant
2 Centaur Peacemaker
3 Knight of Autumn
2 Lyra Dawnbringer
4 Negate
1 Nezahal, Primal Tide
I really like the main deck Dawn of Hope, but you honestly win games more to concession or decking them g1 than actually attacking with it & Karn tokens. I'd consider putting a 4th Pause if you faced more creature swarms, a second Nova, or mayyyyyyyyybe a 3rd Insight if your meta is more control heavy. I'm also not wild about Knight of Autumn vs. Centaur Peacemaker (the argument of the dude who landed the base list is you want the Knights vs Control for their enchantments), so I might cut all the knights, add two Peacemakers, and a 3rd Carnage for the control matchup.
 
Sep 14, 2018
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If you play standard & want something a little different to play, here's a deck some friends and I are running to high success on Magic Arena & Magic Online.

Isn't that deck literally just standard fog?

I don't like it's chances against control pre or post sideboard, I feel like Grixis just has this deck for a snack.
 

caylen

Publisher - Riot Games
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Oct 27, 2017
139
santa monica
Yeap, it's pretty much a Fog deck - but that sorta works for the meta right now.

Isn't that deck literally just standard fog?

I don't like it's chances against control pre or post sideboard, I feel like Grixis just has this deck for a snack.

Grixis is easily your hardest matchup, but tbh on Arena at Gold I haven't been seeing too much of it, and your board pretty much replaces all deadweight for action. A lot of the field I see is either Esper or GB midrange.
 

LiQuid!

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's crazy how "cheap" mono blue is to craft, yet literally impossible for me cause I'm short like 24 C/UC wildcards.
 

GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,285
Man I'm already sick of Arclight Phoenix, and I can tell I'm just gonna see it more and more over the next few weeks.
 

Qvoth

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Oct 26, 2017
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expect to see a lot more mono red as well as mono blue tempo on mtga
surprised no golgari in gp jersey top 8
no dimir at all on both gp lille and jersey top 8

How do you guys think my "throw all my Golgari shit in a deck with no rare lands" list is going to fare in BO1?

https://aetherhub.com/Deck/Public?id=35929
the average cmc is 3.25 and you only play 24 lands + 2 llanowars?
if i were you i'd just go 3/4 llanowars and 23/24 lands
maybe 1 less guildgate
i'd take out direfleet poisoner, kitesail freebooters, ochran assassins
maybe 2-3 saproling migrations and tendershoot dryad, they work well with vicious offerings, plaguecrafters and vraska golgari queens
 
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gryvan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Been winning with mono red all day today

I've barely seen any mirror matches though

I did get matched up with a lot of izzet decks though
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Yeap, it's pretty much a Fog deck - but that sorta works for the meta right now.



Grixis is easily your hardest matchup, but tbh on Arena at Gold I haven't been seeing too much of it, and your board pretty much replaces all deadweight for action. A lot of the field I see is either Esper or GB midrange.
What is the gold level like? I am struggling to stay in silver with how this ranking system goes. Every time I test out a new deck in BO1 I just get destroyed back to where I was.
 

GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
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Man, theres nothing better than beating a control deck that countered literally every spell you cast, up until the carnage tyrant that bit your face off in 3 turns. Who gives a shit about your Teferi. (yes I have an unhealthy hate for any deck with Teferi)

I played an unhealthy amount of Dinosaurs today, they need more dailies past 15 wins. Nowhere near finished but it gets the job done. I think Im finally good on decks at the moment, lol.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Man, theres nothing better than beating a control deck that countered literally every spell you cast, up until the carnage tyrant that bit your face off in 3 turns. Who gives a shit about your Teferi. (yes I have an unhealthy hate for any deck with Teferi)

I played an unhealthy amount of Dinosaurs today, they need more dailies past 15 wins. Nowhere near finished but it gets the job done. I think Im finally good on decks at the moment, lol.
LOL I just burnt a control deck with cannot be countered spells and he literally cast 4 counters at the last one as a suicide end note. I mean I hate this matchmaking with a passion. It's like it switches an archetype to play against every 5 matches. It's such a worthless and horrible matchmaking system in BO1. I really hope they fix it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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LOL I just burnt a control deck with cannot be countered spells and he literally cast 4 counters at the last one as a suicide end note. I mean I hate this matchmaking with a passion. It's like it switches an archetype to play against every 5 matches. It's such a worthless and horrible matchmaking system in BO1. I really hope they fix it.
Do you do that because you don't like best of 3? I've heard best of 3 is definitely the best format for Magic due to less luck being involved and actually being able to sideboard to adapt.

The player you were asking about the gold level is using that queue, for example.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I just got my first ever Multani AND my first ever Moldratha AND got them both in the same Gabby draft. I only got to 4 wins because I got stomped by mono red aggro in a few matches, but the games where I got one or both of those cards on the battlefield were absurdly hilarious. Multani in particular can simply resurrect himself if a deathtouch defender kills him on the same turn in that mode, because you can replay the two lands you tap and return.

That was a pretty crazy fun mode and I even got enough gems that I can give it one more shot!
 

Ultron

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Drake/Phoenix Izzet deck is an absolute blast to play. So much fun! I'm sure the Phoenix is very annoying from the other side of the table.

Do you do that because you don't like best of 3? I've heard best of 3 is definitely the best format for Magic due to less luck being involved and actually being able to sideboard to adapt.

It's true. When you know what the other player is up to, the decisions you get to make are way more interesting. Plus it just makes the games feel more impactful, because you're actually spending a bit of time playing this person. Instead of the five minutes that some single games take.

I completely understand playing Best of 1 for time purposes, to mash some games out or because you don't have a tuned deck for competitive, but if you're really interested in the strategic aspects of the game, you gotta play some Best of 3.