Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DT10 | News, Site Updates, and Speculation | A Change Of The Heart

jack_package_200 · Oct 27, 2018

Alright. Here is my DLC wishlist

Jack Frost (SMT)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Hector (Fire Emblem)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Doom Guy (Doom)
Monster Hunter
Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
Solaire (Dark Souls)

Weiss · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
He said before k.rool that they have a few left to announce. 9 is not a few.

Five, seven with Echoes.

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

Weiss said:
Five, seven with Echoes.

He was counting echoes with just "fighters", but even then 7 isn't a few. 9 definitely isn't.

1000% H · Oct 27, 2018

Echoes straight up don't get new numbers so I'm unsure if they are actually counted from Sakurai's perspective.

Weiss · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
He was counting echoes with just "fighters", but even then 7 isn't a few. 9 definitely isn't.

Am I missing something? Where are you getting nine characters?

1000% H said:
Echoes straight up don't get new numbers so I'm unsure if they are actually counted from Sakurai's perspective.

Basically what I've been thinking since the original "don't expect too many new characters" statement.

Mark1 · Oct 27, 2018

memoryman3 said:
10 compared to Melee's 8. If you discount clones here, you should discount Melee clones.

Melee was created in a far shorter timespan though.

Jonneh · Oct 27, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
Lol. I don't think he's ever had to do it in the past.

My puddle sitting tally will remain 0

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
He was counting echoes with just "fighters", but even then 7 isn't a few. 9 definitely isn't.

You counted Isabelle

Metto · Oct 27, 2018

Weiss said:
Am I missing something? Where are you getting nine characters?

Basically what I've been thinking since the original "don't expect too many new characters" statement.

He said that before K Rool and Isabelle's announcements. Them + the seven in the leak are 9

Soralight8 · Oct 27, 2018

i think the square rep is sora more persuly kh3 sora with a stage that nomura work on as final world in kh3

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
You counted Isabelle

Isabelle is a character whether people like it or not.

IntelliHeath · Oct 27, 2018

1000% H said:
Echoes straight up don't get new numbers so I'm unsure if they are actually counted from Sakurai's perspective.

I honestly don't think so.

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

Weiss said:
Am I missing something? Where are you getting nine characters?

Basically what I've been thinking since the original "don't expect too many new characters" statement.

He said it before k.rool.

Weiss · Oct 27, 2018

Bluewind098 said:
He said that before K Rool and Isabelle's announcements. Them + the seven in the leak are 9

Oh that's right. Duh, how'd I forget that.

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

1000% H said:
Echoes straight up don't get new numbers so I'm unsure if they are actually counted from Sakurai's perspective.

He said the thing after the echoes, and just said new fighters. Echoes still count as fighters.

BGBW · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
Isabelle is a character whether people like it or not.

I don't think there's a person in the world who doesn't like Isabelle.

To not like her would be inhuman.

L Thammy · Oct 27, 2018

sakurai lies
everyone cries

gunlovefiction · Oct 27, 2018

Why is gamexplain being so weird about the leak

IntelliHeath · Oct 27, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
You counted Isabelle

Is she number 68 right? How can you not count her?

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

Jonneh said:
My puddle sitting tally will remain 0

Yep. I fully expect it to stay at 0 too. :)

Neoxon · Oct 27, 2018

doop_ said:
Why is gamexplain being so weird about the leak

They believe it's fake.

Deleted member 8791 · Oct 27, 2018

PadWarrior said:
This would be good when playing smash in tabletop mode with a GameCube controller.

I've bought this! Looking forward to get it.

Neoxon said:
They believe it's fake.

Since they believe most leaks they cover are fake this is hardly a good reason.

Deleted member 176 · Oct 27, 2018

Sakurai said not to expect too many characters before immediately showing a video where he literally laughed at the audience for faking them out.

memoryman3 · Oct 27, 2018

1000% H said:
Echoes straight up don't get new numbers so I'm unsure if they are actually counted from Sakurai's perspective.

Technically, they do. They get seperate fighter pages and 13' is different mathematically to 13

Weiss · Oct 27, 2018

Jonneh said:
My puddle sitting tally will remain 0

Can I ask a question? Have you seen the Character Select Screen?

It's cool if you don't want to answer.

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
Isabelle is a character whether people like it or not.

IntelliHeath said:
Is she number 68 right? How can you not count her?

I was asking a question. Sorry I didn't put the "?" I wanted to make sure Yuoke was counting Isabelle

gunlovefiction · Oct 27, 2018

Neoxon said:
They believe it's fake.

Why do they believe the leak is fake?

Anacaona · Oct 27, 2018

Bow to your King.

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

Brock Reiher said:
Sakurai said not to expect too many characters before immediately showing a video where he literally laughed at the audience for faking them out.

I mean since those 5, there has only been 1. He was talking the total amount.

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

doop_ said:
Why do they believe the leak is fake?

They don't need to tell you that.

stan423321 · Oct 27, 2018

Hey look, it's Heath here right now. Was it you that mentioned an anecdote about Vergeben copying things other people posted, or did I misremember?

Metto · Oct 27, 2018

stan423321 said:
Hey look, it's Heath here right now. Was it you that mentioned an anecdote about Vergeben copying things other people posted, or did I misremember?

I think Ryce was the one who said something like that

Deleted member 176 · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
I mean since those 5, there has only been 1. He was talking the total amount.

Yeah, my point is that Sakurai likes playing with his audience. that's why he hates leaks.

Weiss · Oct 27, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
They don't need to tell you that.

That's unnecessary of you, don't you think?

Deleted member 8791 · Oct 27, 2018

doop_ said:
Why do they believe the leak is fake?

Going from their official communication.

1) Banjo looks like his Smashified version
2) The leak is blurry

Maybe they have other reasons too but I can only convey what they say officially.

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

Weiss said:
That's unnecessary of you, don't you think?

I didn't mean for it to come off harsh

Jonneh · Oct 27, 2018

Chauzu said:
Since they believe most leaks they cover are fake this is hardly a good reason.

We do? We gave Star Fox Grand Prix our full attention with the whole team siding on real

Deleted member 8791 · Oct 27, 2018

Jonneh said:
We do? We gave Star Fox Grand Prix our full attention with the whole team siding on real

Yeah that was uncalled for! I'll apologize on this one.

A bit salty on this since I like a GameXplain discussion for all major news. I'll get over it.

ClickyCal' · Oct 27, 2018

Chauzu said:
1) Banjo looks like his Smashified version

Even team fake people can tell it's clearly not, so...

Metto · Oct 27, 2018

So looking into statements about what Sakurai said about newcomer count before releases to prior games is Smash 4 when he said they weren't focusing on newcomers. However this was like in 2012 when they were still planning the game so it seems they were still deciding a direction for it. Compared to now when he said it 6 months before release on a broadcasted presentation.

So yeah while it's not lying it does add to how ridiculous it would be if this leak is actually real and they have 7 characters left. That is super screwy and be the closest this man has ever come to lying that wasn't a small joke

Deleted member 176 · Oct 27, 2018

Chauzu said:
Going from their official communication.

1) Banjo looks like his Smashified version
2) The leak is blurry

Maybe they have other reasons too but I can only convey what they say officially.

also the company hasn't worked with Nintendo before and they think Incineroar is on the roster

gunlovefiction · Oct 27, 2018

Chauzu said:
Going from their official communication.

1) Banjo looks like his Smashified version
2) The leak is blurry

Maybe they have other reasons too but I can only convey what they say officially.

That first reason is a little weird because it looks nothing like smashified Banjo.

memoryman3 · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
He said the thing after the echoes, and just said new fighters. Echoes still count as fighters.

Yes! Exactly! People will find this out when they get the game and play it.

The whole echo thing was likely made as a way to get in more characters whilst not demoting Lucina and Dark Pit. They were fighters in Smash 4, and still are now.

Mark1 · Oct 27, 2018

Mark1 said:
And I'm pretty sure if we include Banjo, Isaac, Geno, Chorus Kids and Mach Rider (plus Shadow and Ken if Echos count) it will still be a lower number than Brawl and Smash 4.

Melee - 14 newcomers
(Counting Dr Mario, Ganondorf, Pichu, Roy, Young Link and Falco - if he was considered a clone)
Brawl - 18 newcomers
(Counting Toon Link, Lucas and Wolf if they were considered clones at all)
Smash 4 - 21 newcomers
(including Bayonetta, Cloud, Ryu and Corrin. Plus Echos with Dark Pit and Lucina)
Ultimate - 16 newcomers
(Counting the banner leak additions. Plus Echos with Daisy, Richter Chrom, Dark Samus, Shadow and Ken)

To quote my post from earlier.

Sure, Melee and Ultimate are likely to have a similar number of newcomers.

But these numbers numbers are down to a game's lifespan. And schedules.

For example, compare Melee's 1 year (roughly) development lifespan to Ultimate's 3 years.

While I'm at it, both had very different goals and teams. The Ultimate team is largely comprised of the Smash 4 team, so experience was already on their side.

Melee was a drastic difference to Smash 64 with the premise of being available close to the launch of the GameCube.

Dark Cloud · Oct 27, 2018

yuoke said:
Even team fake people can tell it's clearly not, so...

Yeah that Banjo definitely ain't Smashified.

memoryman3 · Oct 27, 2018

Mark1 said:
To quote my post from earlier.

Sure, Melee and Ultimate are likely to have a similar number of newcomers.

But these numbers numbers are down to a game's lifespan. And schedules.

For example, compare Melee's 1 year (roughly) development lifespan to Ultimate's 3 years.
While I'm at it, both had very different goals and teams. The Ultimate team is largely comprised of the Smash 4 team, so experience was already on their side.
Melee was a drastic difference to Smash 64 with the premise of being available close to the launch of the GameCube.

The other Smash games didn't have to worry about balancing 70 characters in relation to each other like Ultimate does. Adding a new character multiplies the amount of work. It's not simple addition. You also have to take into account that all veterans are back and the engine has went through quite the modification.

Deleted member 176 · Oct 27, 2018

doop_ said:
That first reason is a little weird because it looks nothing like smashified Banjo.

The real reason is because they think Incineroar is on the roster because they saw the same outdated roster every other insider did, so they're scrambling to find ways to call it fake that don't reveal their source.

they can't find any good reasons so they aren't talking about it anymore

Deleted member 8791 · Oct 27, 2018

Brock Reiher said:
also the company hasn't worked with Nintendo before and they think Incineroar is on the roster

Lack of Pokémon was on a personal twitter account surely? I don't want to indicate that's the opinion of the team.

Deleted member 176 · Oct 27, 2018

Chauzu said:
Lack of Pokémon was on a personal twitter account surely? I don't want to indicate that's the opinion of the team.

Yeah, but it's the truth

Metto · Oct 27, 2018

memoryman3 said:
The other Smash games didn't have to worry about balancing 70 characters in relation to each other like Ultimate does.

But Melee still had alot of stuff on it's plate. Melee is a bigger jump up from looking at everything than Ultimate is appearing to be. Especially after working on an HD platform

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