Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DT10 | News, Site Updates, and Speculation | A Change Of The Heart

jack_package_200 · Oct 26, 2018

Fuck it, time for me to rank the newcomers

Banjo + Kazooie > Ridley > King K Rool > Simon Belmont >Geno > Chorus Kids > Isaac > Mach Rider > Inklings > Isabelle

Jahranimo · Oct 26, 2018

Okabe said:
Fill me in. Just woke up from a 12 hour nap

We ain't got SHIT!

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

RockmanBN said:
Is Box theory dead to most peope at this point?

I sure hope so.

samb_rules · Oct 26, 2018

Jraphics Horse said:
The hard bit is totally drawing the new characters especially Isaac and Chorus men which show more thought of how to represent the character than I've ever seen from a fan concept of them before, that's the main thing that has *edit: had me thinking it was real. Cloning backgrounds and making layers of shit is vastly easier and I know because I used to spend ages doing it for fun.

Doable maybe, but the level of detail this would need to be to get passed the level of scrutiny this kinda stuff is subjected to.. not saying it's impossible, this is the Internet after all, but I just wanted to get across how much time n effort it would take. And I hadn't even thought about the ground n shadows n bits of characters that might have been hidden before.

Seeing all this through hype tinted glasses for sure though.

Deleted member 4034 · Oct 26, 2018

MaitreWakou said:
What is the point of a secret character when the whole game will be leaked 2-3 days before release because some people will get the game one week prior to release.

Besides, people would just complain about those characters not getting trailers.

Deleted member 46641 · Oct 26, 2018

Okabe said:
Fill me in. Just woke up from a 12 hour nap

Basically nothing happened. More anti-box theory stuff, people discussing a hybrid between leakers and grinch, questioning if any of the grinch leak characters are fake.

mopinks · Oct 26, 2018

9-Volt said:
Same guy who said Ridley is impossible, too big for Smash.

he didn't say that

RailWays · Oct 26, 2018

NotLiquid said:
The E3 banner's background was a video recording of an LED monitor.

Any differences in color are strictly down to that. The materials on the other hand, are identical.

So the blank background people were using to compare against it was the illustration with no characters? Because this picture has the characters.
But point taken on the color differences. I admittedly don't know much about these things.

The Adder · Oct 26, 2018

(Caveat: Nowhere but the 4Chan post is it indicated this is the complete roster. My vote for real is that the characters in the leak are in the game and will have those poses on the mural. Not that there are no other possible inclusions not in the leak)

Neiteio · Oct 26, 2018

Jahranimo said:
We ain't got SHIT!

mas8705 · Oct 26, 2018

Okabe said:
Fill me in. Just woke up from a 12 hour nap

Pure chaos and the world is split between what's real and what's fake. I think we're entering day 2 or 3 of this...

Deleted member 32561 · Oct 26, 2018

Masozi said:
Hold up

Are any leakers even endorsing box theory at this point?

Even verge "a slur a day keeps the correct leaks away" ben has more than 2.

RockmanBN said:
Is Box theory dead to most people at this point?

Yeah, it seems like most everyone believes the box theory is bunk. It could be real and everyone is wrong/mislead, but I'm really doubting it at this point.

LordKano said:
hegel said that the end of history would happen when humans all acquire full awareness of themselves and become free but that was a load of bullshit, history will go down with this leak depending on whether or not it's true
we ain't playing games anymore

"History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man. Godzilla." - Blue Oyster Cult, 1977

Crashman said:
I'd have to agree that most of what's been said by him has been fairy obvious, outside of Incineroar, and the big things that would really cement him as having inside information weren't touched on. He never mentioned Daisy or anything regarding echoes before they were revealed, and never did mention any of the echoes from the Smash direct, only saying Isabelle was one, which was something that many many many people were guessing after echoes were known to be a thing. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that someone could mistake Isabelle for an echo, but, like Ken, its something that a ton of people were predicting. But even so it still turned out to be wrong.

Yep yep, good points. Especially about Daisy. She seems like something someone would bring up as well, as well as officially labeling characters like Lucina as echoes.

NotLiquid · Oct 26, 2018

RailWays said:
So the blank background people were using to compare against it was the illustration with no characters?

The screencap I took here is from the Treehouse stream with the characters on it because I felt it exemplifies how the colors are different.

The way the banner works is that there's a background and they have the characters fade onto it. However, the background is static.

You can see it for yourself here.
https://youtu.be/8O-ZUXGcuWU?t=17892

MaitreWakou · Oct 26, 2018

Bobo Dakes said:
Besides, people would just complain about those characters not getting trailers.

Exactly.

JahIthBer · Oct 26, 2018

The Adder said:
(Caveat: Nowhere but the 4Chan post is it indicated this is the complete roster. My vote for real is that the characters in the leak are in the game and will have those poses on the mural. Not that there are no other possible inclusions not in the leak)

The Ganondorf post doesn't get discussed enough, also datamining will likely confirm if Dixie, Ray & Monster Hunter got cut, if it all lines up, i wonder how some very angry 4chan poster got all this info months before launch?

AlanOC91 · Oct 26, 2018

ShinobiBk said:
Sorry, I think we can safely say there is no chance they held back over half the unique additions to the roster until the last month.
That would make no sense whatsoever

What. Why? It would generate insane hype just before launch.

They've already been generating amazing hype for the game. This would be the excellent icing on the cake.

I think we can safely say it's a possibility tbh.

Okabe · Oct 26, 2018

Masozi said:
Basically nothing happened. More anti-box theory stuff, people discussing a hybrid between leakers and grinch, questioning if any of the grinch leak characters are fake.

Ah same ol same ol then. Thanks !

mas8705 said:
Pure chaos and the world is split between what's real and what's fake. I think we're entering day 2 or 3 of this...

The Grinch who split smashmas

Jahranimo said:
We ain't got SHIT!

We've been JAMMED

Jahranimo · Oct 26, 2018

Neiteio said:

LMAO, dang it why didn't I think to type that?

Deleted member 4034 · Oct 26, 2018

MaitreWakou said:
Exactly.

I would like surprise characters tho, but fans are weird.

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

AlanOC91 said:
What. Why? It would generate insane hype just before launch.

They've already been generating amazing hype for the game. This would be the excellent icing on the cake.

I think we can safely say it's a possibility tbh.

I feel the same way. To me it seems like the kind of thing you'd do in order to drum up a huge amount of hype.

It's like a "you ain't seen nothing yet" kind of moment. Eclipsing the last direct that was filled with content.

Hailinel · Oct 26, 2018

I'm half-expecting the Smash Direct stream to be interrupted by the Grinch like he was Max Headroom.

Pause · Oct 26, 2018

Was the Banjo licence an automatic renewal or was it off schedule?

Vito · Oct 26, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
PapaGeno said his source source from Microsoft heard about the characters being in Smash before the Banner leaked, but he definitely knew Banjo was in. When the Banner leak came out they saw that as proof that the other characters were in.

He's he crediable?

Jraphics Horse · Oct 26, 2018

Mewshuji said:
Yeah, it seems like most everyone believes the box theory is bunk. It could be real and everyone is wrong/mislead, but I'm really doubting it at this point.

I think the proposed box layout is likely real, it's completely down to when the final characters get revealed, which could easily be after the box ships.

Deleted member 2791 · Oct 26, 2018

im going to sleep
please someone confirm or debunk this shit in the next 9 hours

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

Pause said:
Was the Banjo licence an automatic renewal or was it off schedule?

Seems automatic.

Though apparently the licenses for Mach Rider and Golden Sun were also renewed according to Smashboards.

HibbySloth · Oct 26, 2018

PapaGeno's uploaded a video a while ago that said he had a source that said Spirits was just a mix of trophies and stickers. I'm unsure if I should trust his sources.

Deleted member 176 · Oct 26, 2018

ShinobiBk said:
Sorry, I think we can safely say there is no chance they held back over half the unique additions to the roster until the last month.
That would make no sense whatsoever

you must really want Incineroar smh

Dymaxion · Oct 26, 2018

Weiss said:
I sure hope so.

Outside of believing that the Grinch leak is real, how do you explain away the pattern on the box to disprove box theory? I'm asking because I've been out of the loop with box theory for a while now.

Nocturnowl · Oct 26, 2018

Somewhere on the world wide web the secret insider forum is meeting up again, I imagine it's like that one episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC where everyone has a virtual avatar in an auditorium of sorts, and they're asking the important question "sure the banner could be legit but there's something missing, where's 100% ironclad lock Dixie Kong?"

Jraphics Horse · Oct 26, 2018

Sponge said:
PapaGeno's uploaded a video a while ago that said he had a source that said Spirits was just a mix of trophies and stickers. I'm unsure if I should trust his sources.

Haha Oh boy.
Edit: the vid makes more sense, he is talking spirits rather than Spirits Mode

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

Vito said:
He's he crediable?

No.

LordKano said:
im going to sleep
please someone confirm or debunk this shit in the next 9 hours

Don't forget: You're Here Forever.

Metto · Oct 26, 2018

Dymaxion said:
Outside of believing that the Grinch leak is real, how do you explain away the pattern on the box to disprove box theory? I'm asking because I've been out of the loop with box theory for a while now.

Both sides has a Nintendo Switch slot that's on the Limited Edition Box. The side that has 2 "empty" slots has one filled by Isabelle

Deleted member 32561 · Oct 26, 2018

Jraphics Horse said:
I think the proposed box layout is likely real, it's completely down to when the final characters get revealed, which could easily be after the box ships.

Oh yeah, no question the layout is real, imo, it's really more "is everyone on the box".

ned_ballad · Oct 26, 2018

Hmm

It looks really similar to the frequency picker for items

I have idea what it would do in that case, maybe spawn some items?

Phil Good · Oct 26, 2018

Guys what if the leaker was merely someone who happened to have the blank battlefield banner ? The amount of effort needed would go down drastically and that would also explain why many characters moved slightly : because he couldn't / didn't want to put them at the exact same locations

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

Dymaxion said:
Outside of believing that the Grinch leak is real, how do you explain away the pattern on the box to disprove box theory? I'm asking because I've been out of the loop with box theory for a while now.

The way I view it, I doubt Box Theory because it implicitly states there are only two characters left in the game, and I don't think Nintendo would reveal that to us.

Gilbals · Oct 26, 2018

Nocturnowl said:
Somewhere on the world wide web the secret insider forum is meeting up again, I imagine it's like that one episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC where everyone has a virtual avatar in an auditorium of sorts, and they're asking the important question "sure the banner could be legit but there's something missing, where's 100% ironclad lock Dixie Kong?"

We have to stop the Laughing Grinch.

RailWays · Oct 26, 2018

NotLiquid said:
The screencap I took here is from the Treehouse stream with the characters on it because I felt it exemplifies how the colors are different.

The way the banner works is that there's a background and they have the characters fade onto it. However, the background is static.

You can see it for yourself here.
https://youtu.be/8O-ZUXGcuWU?t=17892

Okay, I see it now. Thanks.

MaitreWakou · Oct 26, 2018

Vito said:
He's he crediable?

He's a good guy, but there's 0 reason to believe his sources.

Unknownlight · Oct 26, 2018

Okabe said:
Fill me in. Just woke up from a 12 hour nap

Two notable things. This and this.

Short version: Further analysis of the image supports the stance that it's the real deal.

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

Nocturnowl said:
Somewhere on the world wide web the secret insider forum is meeting up again, I imagine it's like that one episode of Ghost in the Shell SAC where everyone has a virtual avatar in an auditorium of sorts, and they're asking the important question "sure the banner could be legit but there's something missing, where's 100% ironclad lock Dixie Kong?"

Gleethor · Oct 26, 2018

Please don't put all your eggs on PapaGenos being gullible

Richietto · Oct 26, 2018

Box theory was Ken and Incineroar right? Yeah that's bogus simply because Shadow will be an Echo. Dark Samus and Isabelle are proof enough of that.

Nocturnowl · Oct 26, 2018

Sakurai's sprout fetish has gone mad this entry.

Weiss · Oct 26, 2018

ned_ballad said:
Hmm

It looks really similar to the frequency picker for items

I have idea what it would do in that case, maybe spawn some items?

Why would the Healing Field have the sprout emblem though, if in-game it's tied to the appearance of items?

The Adder · Oct 26, 2018

Green Slime King said:
Box theory was Ken and Incineroar right? Yeah that's bogus simply because Shadow will be an Echo. Dark Samus and Isabelle are proof enough of that.

What does Isabelle have to do with Shadow being an echo?

Pause · Oct 26, 2018

Sponge said:
PapaGeno's uploaded a video a while ago that said he had a source that said Spirits was just a mix of trophies and stickers. I'm unsure if I should trust his sources.

i can't imagine that they'd hide it given that it's always got it's own tab buried in the other menus in the other games

plus that's weirdly secretive since we've already seen a few tabs already like games & more

jph139 · Oct 26, 2018

I'm curious how Japan/other international Smash communities are dealing with the whole situation.

They could have evidence we haven't even considered, their own leakers and insiders!

Unknownlight · Oct 26, 2018

The Adder said:
What does Isabelle have to do with Shadow being an echo?

The thought process is that missing Assist Trophies means new fighters. Dark Samus and Isabelle were both ATs.

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