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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DT10 | News, Site Updates, and Speculation | A Change Of The Heart
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If this whole thing if fake then how did this whole leak even happen in terms of creating it and whatnot?
I never said it did. I just find it odd the box made a spot for Ken, but not Shadow. If the final roster goes down Ken may be the only Echo left and it would make sense for him to have his spot on the box. All the remaining characters would be new and fill in after Isabelle and probably to the back of the box.
Ryce said he saw what he saw months ago. I would've guessed if Shadow was real he'd have a spot open too.
That would prove my point. There ARE secret characters. These promotional displays are for post launch use. In fact, Sakurai specifically saying there won't be any characters that are not officially revealed makes me believe that there will be some. Quite a troll that Sakurai is.
Geno, Banjo, Isaac -> official reveals
Rest -> secret
The only character that I think it's definitely in its Banjo. If N64 mini is real then Banjo in Smash is real, it's simple as that. Those guys finished a half done game for the 80 buck SNES classic, getting Banjo for $100 N64 classic is much easier task.
I know I mean the current panorama doesn't reflect Ryu's signature move so we wouldn't necessarily expect Ken's to either. But I might be missing a reference to something with that kick.
It is used in the background of the wristband/lighting fixture, behind the Smash logo, but that also didn't need to be there
I guess it added an air of authenticity? It was one of the main "it's real" argument points until the E3 artwork was discovered, then it became the closest thing to a smoking gun
clearly a month of photoshop... and getting hands on specific grinch marketing material... and posing as a employee for a marketing firm...
Other than Shadow and Ken, are there any other Echo characters that are rumored or we've discussed as a high potential of getting in?
Whose to say the box has a spot for Ken?
Maybe it's the Smash Bros logo like on the back of the Switch bundle
Sure, but we're also not hearing from Ryce in a vacuum. Lots of different insiders or "insiders" are speaking up about this and their reactions to the Grinch leak definitely vary. It's clear that everyone believes Incineroar is in, and yet unclear if that omission is the only thing making people doubt the leak or not. Some think it's completely false, or give the impression it's false other than Ken. Some think there's some accuracy to it. Or there's also people claiming they've heard Banjo is in regardless of the leak. There's also some people who seem to have reliably heard about some other character or characters that the leak doesn't show.
It's all over the place.
I guess. I'm acting like it's impossible the guy just made a mistake.
Seven all new pieces of artwork, jeopardizing a career, implicating two companies in its scheme, and... he never looked up if there was a blank background.
One simple explanation could be that SEGA said no to Shadow being an echo of Sonic because they felt it wouldn't be a good enough representation of their character, and Sakurai didn't feel like he deserved to be a unique character. Most companies, in particular Japanese ones, can be very protective of their IP's and the way that they are portrayed. Just look at the different Sonic skins/colours in Smash, that' could be a direct order from SEGA. Not saying this is necessarily the case and that Shadow isn't in but the world isn't as black and white as you guys make it out to be is all I'm saying.
I don't see the fuzz about Ryce's post, he's basically echoing all other insiders. He's heard other things etc, he doesn't want us to get disappointed, and so on.
My take is still that with the current info we have I can't take it too seriously. For all we know there can be a common source that all insiders base their info on, and we don't know how the source got the info.
My take is still that with the current info we have I can't take it too seriously. For all we know there can be a common source that all insiders base their info on, and we don't know how the source got the info.
Can all the insiders not just band together, make a new account and post what they know so nobody knows from who it came in the first place? At some point all you people would talk to each other and compare your sources right? That would certainly make the conversation less this side, that side.
Why know everything and not be able to post about it under some alias? What's the point?
Why know everything and not be able to post about it under some alias? What's the point?
Because the characters are listed off in sets of 9 on both sides of the box. When you get to Ryu's row we only account for 8 characters on the side of the box we can't see before we continue the count on the side we can see, which means there's a character slot open in that Ryu line.
The only possible characters there that could have an Echo are Ryu, Cloud or Pacman.
Or we could just wait for official info and not risk people's jobs
Or it's a blank spot for a bar code at the bottom corner.
Impa isn't rumored but imo she'd be both awesome and easy. Either straight up Sheik echo or Sheik echo with some Cloud moves thrown in
They confirmed that
Isaac
Chorus kids
Shadow and Ken are right
Banjo
Mach rider and geno are wrong
Instead
They are replaced by
Elma
Inceneroar
And sora
Isaac
Chorus kids
Shadow and Ken are right
Banjo
Mach rider and geno are wrong
Instead
They are replaced by
Elma
Inceneroar
And sora
I mean, would the insiders be in trouble if they just say who the characters are? We don't know who their friends are so I don't think they would be in trouble.
I'm still fairly confident it'll be on November 1st
- November 3rd is the big, heavily advertised (in Japan) Smash event in Tokyo, which I assume will use a close-to-final build
- The Luigi's Mansion anniversary thing should have been on the 8th, sure, but that entire week could be packed with Direct info
- The Smash Switch bundle launches on the 2nd, I believe. Casual buyers would want to be able to redeem their download code, even if pre-load isn't available.
- It's a Thursday, and November 1st is a nice date
- The longer they wait, the more likely things will leak
There are none others rumored, but I think if Isaac is in the conversation as a new character, then we have to consider the possibility of Felix ala Simon and Richter also.
I think generally people also believe that Impa from Sheik, Medusa from Palutena, Zeraora from Lucario, Hilda from Zelda, Funky Kong from Donkey Kong, Dixie Kong from Diddy Kong, MGS2 Raiden from Snake, Jeanne from Bayonetta, and Malos from Shulk are all technically in the realm of possibility. I can't personally see many specific options outside of those past generic answers of "more Fire Emblem" or "more Animal Crossing".
Or the Smash logo
On the Switch box, the Smash logo takes up one of the character "slots" on the back of the box.
honestly, i feel the fact the leak has background differences is probably a lean into why this might be real. there has been a couple noted background differences from e3 to now and it makes sense to edit to better help the characters not get lost in the background.
that being said, the only real way to say one way or the other is for a direct to come out and prove it one way or the other.
It's not if we know, it's if Nintendo knows. It would cost jobs.
But why would it risk people their jobs? You mean to say that they intentionally plant duds to pinpoint the exact leakers this way?
lol, you're not the only one.
Even just a date would put me at ease.
What I'm saying is no one is going to risk anything just to make hyped people on a forum happy
If they wait any longer into November, the Prima Guide will leak, mark my words.
Yeah, or maybe throw hints like on the infamous Naruto ending character leak.
Shadow is literally a reskin of Sonic in Forces lol. Give him a different Up+B and Chaos Control as his Final Smash and I doubt Sega would have an issue.
What background differences? I thought it was just that things were blocked now that characters were moved around.
Maybe Shadow didn't make it as an echo for release, but they still replaced his AT because they're considering him for DLC
https://old.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/9rerwm/we_have_them/
It ocurred to me that Nintendo is smart for having it be a download code so that the game can't leal
It ocurred to me that Nintendo is smart for having it be a download code so that the game can't leal
This is the next level box theory
The one that's somehow even more depressing
There are a million possibilities. One could be that their source isn't Japanese but someone at NoA or NoE. There are probably only a select few people there who know that character X is in there, thus Nintendo could learn who it was who leaked the info, which is why the insiders are being very vague.
Actually I think Palutena is in that row and could have Medusa as an Echo.
Cause it would reveal their only source in square
And monolith soft
tbf I think it did take like a whole day and thousands of internet people sleuthing to come up with the background. I guess the weird thing is that to me it looks like the artist did actually get a few things right, so it looks like they could have had the clear background and didn't think they'd need to be that meticulous. Or they didn't have it and got lucky in some areas/generally have a good idea of how to photoshop stuff
A graphic designer had too much time on his hands
Remember how blurry the image is, we can't even see if the drawings really look any good
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