I think People of the Book get a pass on this, because technically they all worship the same God. But what's interesting is that subsequent Caliphs and Muslim emperors down the road even included Zoroastrians and even Hindus as People of the Book during their reign.
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CNN: Sinead O'Connor converts to Islam and changes name to Shuhada'
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No, they didn't coexist just fine. Both groups persecuted each other for literally centuries. Look up "persecution of Muslims" and "persecution of Christians" on Wikipedia. At best, they were third-class citizens to each other. At worst, there were mass killings. All without any European involvement.
The Xinjiang example isn't really relevant. China isn't officially Confucian and the repression isn't driven by Confucianism. It targets Uighurs for political reasons (if it was just general anti-Muslim action, you'd think the Chinese Hui would be in camps too).
Maybe she could consider the vague possibility that ALL religions are made-up manipulative nonsense.
I don't know how to react to some of the post I'm reading here.
I'm not religious myself. I believe more in the medical field and cryonics.
The people here bringing up that she has a mental illness and has been abuse in the past and the people throwing slight shade is weird.
It's something millions of people do everyday. Alcoholics with AA meetings, recovering drug addicts, vary abuse victims, and so much more tends to find their religion and may even share the same thought she shared in her statement. Shouldn't it be as long as she finds some sense of peace and fulfillment it's ok?
I don't think her opinion is worth poking considering her past.
I'm not religious myself. I believe more in the medical field and cryonics.
The people here bringing up that she has a mental illness and has been abuse in the past and the people throwing slight shade is weird.
It's something millions of people do everyday. Alcoholics with AA meetings, recovering drug addicts, vary abuse victims, and so much more tends to find their religion and may even share the same thought she shared in her statement. Shouldn't it be as long as she finds some sense of peace and fulfillment it's ok?
I don't think her opinion is worth poking considering her past.
I mean, that's like saying I'm basically in agreement with someone who beats their children (which I disagree with) because we both think children need to be instilled social values.
The differences are massive. Compare Christianity, Shintoism, Hinduism, some "dead" religions like the ones of ancient Egypt and some tribal faiths. They all believe in something, but that's where the similarities end. Even that omnipresent thing is not part of every religion.
Of course, not every single religion is comparable, but I feel like the major ones all have similar points. Hinduism itself is quite broad and you can find monotheistic beliefs in it as well.
I don't know lol, I was wondering who else was a singer around that era.
Person converts to Islam.
"She has had extreme mental problems hasn't she?"
In other news: "Local Muslims convert to Buddhism to avoid being in the same room with Sinead O'Connor"
They Definitely can't all be correct. They make mutually exclusive claims. (None of which is supported by evidence I may add... ) :/
That's what all other religions basically state, whether explicitly or implicitly. She had the honesty to come out and say it.
That's not part of Quran or Islam. That's just politics. During Muhammad's lifetime Muslims have fought many wars but they were against pagan oppressors. "Wars for peace". When Muhammad passed away and the Rashidun caliphate began, there were lots of conflicting views. Some were in favor of making Islam a local belief for Arabs alone, others suggested that they had most powerful feudal army at their disposal and conquer the they should pagan world. First Rashidun caliph Abubakr send missionaries to only Arab speaking lands. But next two, Umar and Usman were much more aggressive, tried to spread both Islam and Arabic language as far as could. They had met their match with Persia, their resistance ended their expanse.
It's all politics in Islamic world. Sometimes Islam is the best religion in the world, sometimes Muslims need to respect even the most primitive pagan beliefs. Sometimes you can't have Islam without Arabic culture and identity, sometimes Islam is stripped of all Arabic influences. Every empire had their own ideas and views and definition of Islam constantly changed with them.
The only thing I think I know about her is that she may have ripped up a picture of the pope on Saturday Night Live years ago.
The point I was trying to make is that there's a lot of people who convert or finds religion everyday and some of those people in fact do have mental issues. I'm just willing to bet that no matter which religion they find they may share that same view point as her.
Shes been very bravely public about her struggle with bipolar illness. Being in the public eye was rough on her, hope she has found peace..
Fair enough. I still think there is a large overlap in systems. Emphasis on meditation/prayer, morality and turning away from materialism are the pillars of most religions. I do think the extra stuff ends up being clutter that people get fights into for no reason.
Come to this thread for the crazy O'Connor quote, stay for the atheists showing their 'humble' intellect in response.
I'm not a fan of her, but if people want to link religious belief with mental illnesses, you're simply acting like a bigger asshole than she is.
I'm not a fan of her, but if people want to link religious belief with mental illnesses, you're simply acting like a bigger asshole than she is.
Well yes... They all share "magic" as the explanation.
They also make proclamations about what is "good" but beyond shared obvious humanist things they differ about what they want you to do . Well, the subjugation of women and an obsession with sex seem strangely common for whatever reason...
You more than likely did. Islam only concerns itself with the Gospals and the Torah, hence why it refers to Jews and Christians as the People of the Book. There are no other extant scripture Islam states is tied to the religion. Yes she's being arrogant as hell, but it is in line with her new found faith.
Good for her.
I don't know much about her but I hope she didn't fall into the hole that many western people fall into when they convert to Islam. By that I mean I hope she didn't convert into Salafi or Wahabi Islam because these two sects are the worst and produce extremists like the kind you have in the Saudi Kingdom (women can't drive, ISIS like ideology etc).
I don't know much about her but I hope she didn't fall into the hole that many western people fall into when they convert to Islam. By that I mean I hope she didn't convert into Salafi or Wahabi Islam because these two sects are the worst and produce extremists like the kind you have in the Saudi Kingdom (women can't drive, ISIS like ideology etc).
Hopefully it helps her find some peace and happiness. Don't know what else to say other than that.
Sure. But your post alluded to Islam being for Arabs as it being the unofficial stance of Islam and that it only opened itself to the entire world because some Muslim leaders thought that 'eh, we are powerful enough, might as well'. Which I will disagree with as from the beginning, it was meant to be for everyone and it is practiced everywhere in the world. The Quran encourages all muslims to bring others into the fold. Of course different Muslim leaders had different ideas on how to spread Islam and some wanted to keep it close to home. So you cannot claim that it was just for the Arabs at first when only some of the people wanted it that way and the Book especially states that it is for everyone.
And sure, Islam was revealed in the Arab world, their Book is written in Arabic, the last prophet was born in Mecca so it is impossible to separate them but does not make it exclusive to the territory.
Nothing much to be embarrassed about; outside of her fan base she's pretty much only known for one song she did nearly thirty years ago. These days she's possibly more well known in Ireland, but I honestly don't know.
Salam and congrats to her.
I love that this pisses you and your ilk off.
30 years ago? Fuck I wasn't even alive 30 years ago. Still, I've discovered her via this thread so I'll read about her now
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I love that you think it pisses me off lol... I actually don't really care.
Not only arrogant, but to me, ignorant. Talking about "all scripture" and only meaning Abrahamic scripture kinda pisses me off, despite having no faith whatsoever. Not a fan of the special pedestal some faiths rest upon on the west, while others don't get taken seriously.
they're books written by humans that people believe to be divinely inspired by an interventionist deity that also created the universe
im perfectly happy to let the 500 years thing slide without much pushback
sure monotheistic religions are on their way out, but im starting a monatheistic religion soon if you're interested
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But the Chinese government is officially atheist?
You have an entire subcontinent that says "Fuck you" to this statement.
Hint: it's close to Arabia.
