I'm a dummy and have no idea what the difference is lol.
What is the difference?
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Sony advertising RDR2 as "Play it in 4K"
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What is the difference?
Exactly, PS5 ads are going to be: "PLAY IN TRUE NATIVE 4K".
A company doing some bullshit doesn't excuse another one to do the same. This isn't about MS being the good guys because they're certainly not. This's about Sony trying to take advantage of people's ignorance.
Pretty much.
It's such a non issue, but no doubt this'll end up as a 40 page thread of console wars and slinging insults.
Well, they ain't wrong that it is 4K. A poorly reconstructed one, but 4K nonetheless.
>posting sony's shenanigans
>posting greenberg's shenanigans
"Both sides are very fine people"
Taken from the DF thread. Seems Sony is pulling the same tactic that Greenberg did, but not in a tweet and more so in an actual marketing campaign aimed at the general audience.
It's certainly the bluriest "4K" game I've played on my Pro.
Greenberg tweet back in the day in case you forgot/missed it:
>posting sony's shenanigans
>posting greenberg's shenanigans
"Both sides are very fine people"
People with shitty reading comprehension wouldn't be able to tell the difference between both 4K versions then.
Oh we should rage and keep them to the DCI resolution of 4096x2160 while we're at it. That'd bring the message home.
The definition for what counts as 4K at this point is so vague & muddled that I doubt anything comes of this.
Then again, Sony has been sued for playing fast & loose with advertised definition of content in the past. (The lawsuit was dismissed by the judge)
However outraged you were at Aaron Greenberg's tweet in 2013, be as outraged as that.
4k is a (rough) measure of horizontal pixels, not vertical.
The game renders 1920 horizontal pixels, the same as a 2k image.
The render resolution on PS4 Pro is 1920x2160, which is half the resolution of what a 4k image is.
Literally unplayable.
Games/resolutions always talk about 1080p or 2160p. No one is going to talk about 1920 in their marketing. It is misleading but it's marketing trying to hide details.
Pretty scummy.
Games/resolutions always talk about 1080p or 2160p. No one is going to talk about 1920 in their marketing. It is misleading but it's marketing trying to hide details.
Pretty scummy.
It doesn't relate to Red Dead Redemption II anyway.
The campaign is about the console, not the game. Just so happens that Red Dead Redemption II is the new big title tagging along on the box.
Unsurprising really.
Nothing new. Nothing to see here.
EDIT: OP got the wrong end of the stick completely. It's an advertising campaign for a console.
I don't think it's comparable to the Greensberg quote because one method is upscaling while the other is reconstruction. Personally, I don't see the big deal with the ad. The people that care will know better.
Yup, not the first time they've done this, so I don't see the issue.
It may not be rendering every pixel every frame but it's still resolving and displaying 3840x2160 resolution.
Yup, not the first time they've done this, so I don't see the issue.
It may not be rendering every pixel every frame but it's still resolving and displaying 3840x2160 resolution.
The pro version looks better then the PS4 version. Even DF says it's better. It's only worse when compared to the x. Some of the hyperbole around rdr2 is a little crazy.
Just sucks because its only certain games for some reason that have this issue.....Horizon: ZD was gorgeous on my set in HDR, so that makes it really frustrating.
The Sony defense force is strong here. The ad is clearly misleading. 2160p implies 3840x2160 resolution.
Depending on the implementation blurrier image or image artifacts due to rendering essentially at half the resolution. RDR2 is blurrier than Xbox One X native 4K both due to lower res and seems their temporal antialiasing solution doesn't work as well for lower res. I hope they fine tune it a bit to give a sharper image on the PS4 Pro because in games like Horizon and God of War the checkerboard rendering is working really well with only minor artifacts in motion.
Pretty much. People are gonna search for 4K footage and see much more Xbox one X footage and in return see they were lying in the ad.
Thinking about the fine-print and how it's worded some more:
Is the GAME actually putting out 2160p ?
Isn't the game outputting some 2160 none-p with missing pixels and some commands for the PS4 Pro native checkerboard upscaling tech how to upscale(interpolate and sharpen the output? Meaning, the console puts out 2160p, not the game. ...or?
Is the GAME actually putting out 2160p ?
Isn't the game outputting some 2160 none-p with missing pixels and some commands for the PS4 Pro native checkerboard upscaling tech how to upscale(interpolate and sharpen the output? Meaning, the console puts out 2160p, not the game. ...or?
Because a small part of me thought "nobody would do that, surely?"
Is OP blind? I mean the small print at the bottom isn't even that small, not to mention they've done this before with their own first party game adverts.
No because XBO S doesn't output games at 4k.
Xbox One X does and you see this logo on boxes even if the game isn't native 4k.
The MS "false" advertisement.
"They've misled you before, so it's fine if they do it again"
Lol it's Greenberg all over again.
If I'm being honest, the general populace doesn't care about the differences, hell, they don't even know what reprojection is.
But that doesn't mean that this isn't misleading. You'd have to be really drinking the koolaid to not think so.
If I'm being honest, the general populace doesn't care about the differences, hell, they don't even know what reprojection is.
But that doesn't mean that this isn't misleading. You'd have to be really drinking the koolaid to not think so.
4K is talking about about the horizontal resolution though. 1920 = 2K.
Of course we can argue whether reconstruction from 2K to 4K really justifies the "4K" label - but let's be honest, plenty of UHD Blu-Rays claim to be 4K when they're only mastered in 2K.
2160p is indeed correct though in this case - as the 2160 only refers to the vertical resolution - the horizontal resolution can be anything you like and it'll still be 2160p whilst there are 2160 vertical lines.
Haha the flack xbox got for "misleading" customers while Sony is genuinely banking on ignorant people who dont know the difference
So MS lied too?No because XBO S doesn't output games at 4k.
Xbox One X does and you see this logo on boxes even if the game isn't native 4.
The MS "false" advertisement.
I haven't' watched the DF video yet, but are you sure that's the case. Often times the PS4 is checkerboarding to a resolution BELOW 4K, so actually rendering below the lower, target resolution, then doing upscaling the rest of the way.
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don't tell nekkid ; he gets very upset about this type of stuff.
Isn't that basically marketing 101? The people who are willfully ignorant don't care if it's native 4K or 4K CBR.
But the two examples aren't really comparable. Greenberg's tweet was far more disingenuous.
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