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Oct 26, 2017
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Any 4th day early voting totals?
Still seeing posts about lines and crowds. We wont get a clearer picture till tomorrow after TX SOS posts the numbers. It seems Dallas saw a dip yesterday due to nonstop rains, but other counties continued to trend. Interested to see what today looked like.
 

iksenpets

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Texas Tribune editor is teasing a new poll for tomorrow morning, and seems to be bracing for people to be skeptical of it, which would imply that it either has Beto up, or has him down big

 

chubigans

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Oct 25, 2017
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Texas Tribune editor is teasing a new poll for tomorrow morning, and seems to be bracing for people to be skeptical of it, which would imply that it either has Beto up, or has him down big


Looking that up, the final results were Abbott getting 59%, with Glass getting <2% (and Davis getting ~39%).
 

Thorrgal

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Oct 26, 2017
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Polls in the US are good. No single poll in 2016 offered odds on how likely it was Hillary or Trump would win. Those were models.

And also people need to stop thinking that if a model says something has a 20% chance of happening and it happens, that means the model was wrong. It's a bad understanding of probability.



That's nonsense.

Models are always right.

A poll is a s good as the guys making them. People lie so you have to make a bunch of other questions to then be able to ascertain who is lying and why.

American polls are just easier to nail because they only have 2 candidates for the most part, but their quality is poor, specially conpared to some european countries.
 

iksenpets

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so Beto has no chance? how can that be when the guy attracts half of texas to his appearances? Is there just that many more old white republicans in Texas?

It's not no chance. Polls can be wrong. They may have faulty turnout models, there may be some bias in who's responding, etc. but they're right more often than not, so he's definitely not the favorite. He's got like a 20% shot or so.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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so Beto has no chance? how can that be when the guy attracts half of texas to his appearances? Is there just that many more old white republicans in Texas?

Beto has a chance, albeit a long shot

Who gets polled is based on who turned out in prior, similar elections. What you see in the poll you're responding to is more or less how Beto would do if a similar electorate turned out to that in 2014.

A Beto victory would require that the electorate not look much like the 2014 electorate.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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so Beto has no chance? how can that be when the guy attracts half of texas to his appearances? Is there just that many more old white republicans in Texas?

He's never been anywhere near the favorite. Him winning is entirely dependent on high turnout in some areas because he's a better D than average and low turnout in other places because Cruz is a worse R than average.
 

Zeroro

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Oct 27, 2017
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Man, what the fuck. If this is an actual widespread problem among some voting machines...

My plan was always to select the straight-ticket option while still making sure to double-check every individual vote made, but you know there are tons of people out there who won't do that.
 

BoboBrazil

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Man, what the fuck. If this is an actual widespread problem among some voting machines...

My plan was always to select the straight-ticket option while still making sure to double-check every individual vote made, but you know there are tons of people out there who won't do that.
Always double check, but it doesn't seem like this affects the touch screen voting machines, which I think most places are using now.
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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Models are always right.

A poll is a s good as the guys making them. People lie so you have to make a bunch of other questions to then be able to ascertain who is lying and why.

American polls are just easier to nail because they only have 2 candidates for the most part, but their quality is poor, specially conpared to some european countries.

What are you talking about? Models are harder to get right than polls. And polling in the US is absolutely not worse than polling in Europe. That's ridiculous. Where are you getting this from?
 

Oyashiro-Sama

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I voted on the same type of machine and luckily this didn't happen to me.

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OrdinaryPrime

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Oct 27, 2017
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Straight ticket voting is fucking awful. Don't use it ever. It should be unconstitutional.

That being said, if this is widespread, these machines should immediately be replaced.
 

Driggonny

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Oct 26, 2017
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I voted yesterday. Didn't have any issues mentioned in that tweet so I can't speak to it.

I've been talking to my grandmother's caretakers to let them know if they want to go vote during work hours I am available to take care of her and their pay won't be docked or anything. I've talked to 2/3 and they acted almost disgusted at the idea of voting lol. But I'm ready in case they change their mind. I honestly don't even care if they vote republican I just think it's the right thing to do.

I voted straight dem ticket and cycled through just to confirm all the candidates and see where dems weren't running. I feel there were a lot less uncontested Republicans than 2016 so that's good.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Straight ticket voting is fucking awful. Don't use it ever. It should be unconstitutional.

That being said, if this is widespread, these machines should immediately be replaced.
The only things that should be unconstitutional are using shit tier, easily manipulated technology and refusing to print physical receipts of votes that can be used as a backup.
 

OrdinaryPrime

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The only things that should be unconstitutional are using shit tier, easily manipulated technology and refusing to print physical receipts of votes that can be used as a backup.

The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Straight ticket voting is plain laziness. Voting for someone because they have a D or an R next to their name instead of what they feel about certain issues is lame as hell. It leads to more tribalism and less informed voters. Get rid of it.
 

Psamtik

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Oct 27, 2017
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The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Straight ticket voting is plain laziness. Voting for someone because they have a D or an R next to their name instead of what they feel about certain issues is lame as hell. It leads to more tribalism and less informed voters. Get rid of it.

I would've agreed before Trump, but now? I'm a straight-ticket voter for the rest of my life; the Republican Party can eat shit.
 

OrdinaryPrime

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I would've agreed before Trump, but now? I'm a straight-ticket voter for the rest of my life; the Republican Party can eat shit.

There are other things on ballots besides candidates.

For instance voting on justices depending on the state or district and voting on ballot initiatives (and they're supposed to be non-partisan although that's state by state). By letting people not research these things before they go, we are letting them make uninformed decisions about other things on the ballot as well.
 

Retropug

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Oct 25, 2017
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My local polling place upgraded from the wheel machines, to touchscreen. I selected straight party democrat, but still checked every page, and then double-checked the summary page. Also, people need to make sure they stay to see the flag on screen to verify the vote was successfully submitted.
 

Kthulhu

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Lexad

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so Beto has no chance? how can that be when the guy attracts half of texas to his appearances? Is there just that many more old white republicans in Texas?
You clearly don't understand Texas at all. People here say no one is excited for Cruz yet I know that isn't remotely the case on my Texas forum I frequent. And it is a pretty young forum overall
 

Stop It

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Oct 25, 2017
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Then you get people filling out multiple bubbles on one line and election judges interpreting their intent.
In the UK we use crosses, rather than marking out lines.

It's ancient but it works just about!

That said we don't have much more than General Election/Local Elections at the same time so we don't have referendums, state, senate and Congress and all sorts of votes on the same ticket.
 

Kthulhu

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You clearly don't understand Texas at all. People here say no one is excited for Cruz yet I know that isn't remotely the case on my Texas forum I frequent. And it is a pretty young forum overall

Cruz's approval rating is below 30%

People hate him, I guess we'll see if they hate him enough to vote him out.
 

Ogre

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Mar 26, 2018
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This whole "poll skepticism" thing since Trump got elected is dumb.

538's model had Trump at a 30% chance of taking the election, which is slightly better than getting two heads in a row. The probability checks out, like it or not.
 

Dragonborn

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Oct 30, 2017
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My father, GF, brother and myself will all be voting for the first time and we're going for Beto. I've gotten some friends on board to who've never voted. Even if he doesn't win, we won't be discouraged, if anything he's started something that he can hopefully continue to capitalize on.

I want to vote for him for president one day
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I double checked my ballot before submitting it, everything seemed in order. The voting machines in Texas are jank though, who thought using a rotary wheel to navigate was a good idea?