Red Dead Redemption 2 DF Analysis (Read OP)

Convasse · Oct 25, 2018

Riderz1337 said:
I don't think you get what we're saying but OK just let it out

Nah, we get exactly what you're saying. This is the gaming politics cycle at work. Both sides take advantage of power, sales, exclusives, etc. when it's convenient to do so. Don't act like this is some strange phenomenon. You were on GAF in 2013 too.

John Frost · Oct 25, 2018

Good stuff.

Can't wait to play it on my Pro.

Anthony Hopkins · Oct 25, 2018

Riderz1337 said:
I don't think you get what we're saying but OK just let it out

Let what out?

Wackamole · Oct 25, 2018

Riderz1337 said:
I don't think you get what we're saying but OK just let it out

Haha

Anthony Hopkins said:
Let what out?

Whatever you got on your chest, i guess.

spectrumfox · Oct 25, 2018

This comparison pretty much guarantees Microsoft will never let Sony out-power them again.

solis74 · Oct 25, 2018

Apharmd said:
I'm hyped to get a native 4K AAA console game. Not CBR, not upscaled, native 4K with a gorgeous open world. Pro vs X aside, that's something to be truly celebrated!

AGREE!

Inuhanyou · Oct 25, 2018

Jedeye Sniv said:
That's because us peasants on the underpowered base consoles are just happy with our lot. Leave it to the people who need to justify spending money on a Pro/X to argue pixel counts.

Lol. Can't argue with the man

harz-marz · Oct 25, 2018

oneils said:
Home from work and am finally watching part 1 on my 4k tv. Wow.

Just want to say that whoever captured the video did some nice camera work.

It's beautifully done by John and his narration skills have improved with every video he does.

Breathtaking stuff.

Richietto · Oct 25, 2018

Man I can't wait to play this. Soooo many photo opportunities. Does the supersampled 1080p Pro visuals suffer like 4K image does?

Riderz1337 · Oct 25, 2018

Ricky Ricardo said:
Nah, we get exactly what you're saying. This is the gaming politics cycle at work. Both sides take advantage of power, sales, exclusives, etc. when it's convenient to do so. Don't act like this is some strange phenomenon. You were on GAF in 2013 too.

I barely posted on GAF so idk what you're talking about.

USDanny · Oct 25, 2018

Hurricane said:
Hello all... Long time, First time... Great video DF, appreciate it. Went out and got myself and early xmas present since i work hard and play hard. Got the X today, cant wait to play this in 7 hours....

Love the avatar, where is it from?

pswii60 · Oct 25, 2018

E.T. said:
Not surprised at X out performing the Pro considering the price point and it being released a year later.

Like PS3?

Anthony Hopkins · Oct 25, 2018

Wackamole said:
Haha

Whatever you got on your chest, i guess.

I think riderz and the onez on his train are the ones letting off steam.

Riderz1337 · Oct 25, 2018

Pathfinder said:
This comparison pretty much guarantees Microsoft will never let Sony out-power them again.

With the way these consoles are releasing now that will be hard for them to do... I don't see Sony/MS releasing next gen consoles so close to one another like they did with PS4/One. Sony will release the PS5 2019/2020 I don't see MS doing the same when the X is still fairly new

aevanhoe · Oct 25, 2018

Anthony Hopkins said:
A more accurate description of the pro would be to say it can do "2k gaming".

Pretty sure I played a lot of 4K games on it. But yeah, it can do 2K too.

Inuhanyou · Oct 25, 2018

Pathfinder said:
This comparison pretty much guarantees Microsoft will never let Sony out-power them again.

they got hurt significantly over that for the first half of this gen. They've always had the "best performing" crown until 2013, from OG XBox to 7th gen

solis74 · Oct 25, 2018

Paxton25 said:
Welcome to all my new Xbox X owning friends, you won't regret it it's a work of art.

:)

Wackamole · Oct 25, 2018

Anthony Hopkins said:
I think riderz and the onez on his train are the ones letting off steam.

No idea man.

Temperance · Oct 25, 2018

Gestault said:
I don't understand how (some) people are acting like this is an ugly game, let alone on the Pro.

Ugly in the artistic sense? No. But It heavily detracts and becomes a bit ugly by how blurry it is on the Pro.

spectrumfox · Oct 25, 2018

Inuhanyou said:
they got hurt significantly over that for the first half of this gen. They've always had the "best performing" crown until 2013, from OG XBox to 7th gen

Exactly. I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson that gamers buy consoles for GAMES, not TV.

Star-Lord · Oct 25, 2018

Pathfinder said:
This comparison pretty much guarantees Microsoft will never let Sony out-power them again.

Maybe, but this comment is a bit aggressive. I just think this is more rockstar doing magic then microsoft putting a hand in this. But hey Microsoft does have the more powerful console at the moment.

Inuhanyou · Oct 25, 2018

Pathfinder said:
Exactly. I'm pretty sure they learned their lesson that gamers buy consoles for GAMES, not TV.

Indeed.

Anthony Hopkins · Oct 25, 2018

aevanhoe said:
Pretty sure I played a lot of 4K games on it. But yeah, it can do 2K too.

The majority of pro games are closer to native 2k then 4k.
I dont think theres a single native 4k current gen game thats on the high end of graphics.

no1 · Oct 25, 2018

Saitama said:
enchanted Ps5 version thanks to BC so the jokes on you Rockstar!

I mean I wouldn't get your hopes up lol.

LabouredSubterfuge · Oct 25, 2018

Console wars continue to be an entertaining side show to see who has the biggest small penis.

kingPaPi · Oct 25, 2018

Wish the df video would have been in 4K, so I coulda got a better idea of how the pro version really looks.

Seems like rockstar should have just made the game 1440p on pro from the video.

chandoog · Oct 25, 2018

pswii60 said:
Like PS3?

PS3 wasn't 2+ TFlops stronger with 4GB more RAM and a faster CPU (arguably :p) compared to the 360 though ...

Tahnit · Oct 25, 2018

So base ps4 is ok? Frame rate decent?

TURBO1112 · Oct 25, 2018

Moving some games from my SSD to my external 5TB HDD to make room for this bad boy. Cant for tonight,

darkside · Oct 25, 2018

no1 said:
I mean I wouldn't get your hopes up lol.

Hey man who are you to doubt Rockstars ability to cast enchantments.

Inuhanyou · Oct 25, 2018

Star-Lord said:
Maybe, but this comment is a bit aggressive. I just think this is more rockstar doing magic then microsoft putting a hand in this. But hey Microsoft does have the more powerful console at the moment.

The reason MS wanted the more powerful machine is specifically for situations like these. Most people won't splinter off but portions of the enthusiast crowd will, and that is why MS have been trying to court back. The only reason base PS4 was able to outpower Xbox One was because MS intentionally aimed low with base XB1. Sony themselves intentionally aimed conservatively, MS just far more so

Paxton25 · Oct 25, 2018

Tahnit said:
So base ps4 is ok? Frame rate decent?

It's fine most of the time according to DF, but it can at times have worse frame rates than the Xbox one s at around 23 in towns.

Shpeshal Nick · Oct 25, 2018

Pathfinder said:
This comparison pretty much guarantees Microsoft will never let Sony out-power them again.

No chance. They'll go loss leader before letting that happen again.

Spasm · Oct 25, 2018

Baffling that this video isn't in 4k. I'm sure that would help reassure Pro owners... Not that it would compare more favorably to X, but that it is definitely a step up from Base PS4.

Anthony Hopkins · Oct 25, 2018

Tahnit said:
So base ps4 is ok? Frame rate decent?

Its 1080p, with some dips to high-mid 20s occasionally in towns and some cutscenes.

Inuhanyou · Oct 25, 2018

Paxton25 said:
It's fine most of the time according to DF, but it can at times have worse frame rates than the Xbox one s at around 23 in towns.

Should also note that John said on the average, every version runs better than the 360 version on 360(which was the best performing at the time). So if people were fine with that, this should be okay

JohnnyMoses · Oct 25, 2018

Confused Cheeseburger said:
I wish I could see what the PS4 Pro looks like on a higher resolution than a 1080p video. I'm worried about the CB rendering being fuzzy. I can live with it, if it's not insane.

I just got home and was excited to watch the comparison video at 4K on my TV and realized DF only went 1080p. I feel like that was a strange decision!

Edit: I think what surprises me is that the PS4 and PS4 Pro look almost identical to me. I would've expected a bigger difference.

CD_93 · Oct 25, 2018

52 pages boiled down to "Most powerful console = best quality/performance"

Freeze frame and zoom in on stills all you like, still gorgeous in motion on the pro too. Hnnng.

pswii60 · Oct 25, 2018

chandoog said:
PS3 wasn't 2+ TFlops stronger with 4GB more RAM and a faster CPU (arguably :p) compared to the 360 though ...

Yeah that's my point!

Drencrom · Oct 25, 2018

Mod Edit - Do not post off-site drama

spectrumfox · Oct 25, 2018

CD_93 said:
52 pages boiled down to "Most powerful console = best quality/performance"

Gorgeous in motion on the pro though too.

No matter which upgraded console you own, you're going to get an awesome experience. That's what I took away from the analysis.

Convasse · Oct 25, 2018

Riderz1337 said:
I barely posted on GAF so idk what you're talking about.

MOD EDIT: Content Removed

Sir please. I remember you.

Eight (8) pages of results, but you barely posted.

gcwy · Oct 25, 2018

One thing I felt was lacking from the tech analysis was that you guys didn't mention SSR in water puddles, which is a pretty significant thing on it's own I think. One of the rare open world games that are doing this. Immediately coming from the Odyssey analysis, where you guys did mention the lack of SSR, I thought it would be something that you guys would focus on mid-way through the video. And RDR2 has SSR almost every specular surface. From water puddles to wood, leather and other materials at oblique angles to the horses' skin, and that's during sunny weather. SSR is used everywhere during and immediately after rain.

Uno Venova · Oct 25, 2018

Shogun said:
I know. The absolute fucking cheek of people being happy with their purchase and being genuinely surprised at 4k rather than fauxK. For one of the generations biggest games as well, when will this madness end?

lol, yeah that's what I said.

jroc74 · Oct 25, 2018

Guymelef said:
I'm not saying that, RDR 2 is on base consoles and nobody talk about them on this thread.

Yeah, and you know why...lol.

Jedeye Sniv said:
That's because us peasants on the underpowered base consoles are just happy with our lot. Leave it to the people who need to justify spending money on a Pro/X to argue pixel counts.

I like your style.

This thread is funny, and amazing, and other things.

But yeah, the folks with base consoles have things to talk about too.

aevanhoe · Oct 25, 2018

Anthony Hopkins said:
The majority of pro games are closer to native 2k then 4k.
I dont think theres a single native 4k current gen game thats on the high end of graphics.

4K in terms how it looks.... Spider-Man, Horizon, GoW.... looks like 4K which is all that matters. Then again, resolution is the least important in terms of image quality beyond a certain point.

Now you're thinking - sure, he says that because he's a PS4 fan. Nope, I really like Xbox. I plan on getting it soon for Halo, GoW, bluray player, great controller, Game Pass.... but PS4 Pro does good enough 4K for me. And resolution really doesn't matter much beyond 1440p. Unless, you know, you want it to matter ;)

Deleted member 13101 · Oct 25, 2018

Drencrom said:
Mod Edit - Removed

We're not doing callouts here. Thanks.

Aminga · Oct 25, 2018

CD_93 said:
52 pages boiled down to "Most powerful console = best quality/performance"

Freeze frame and zoom in on stills all you like, still gorgeous in motion on the pro too. Hnnng.

Why are you even in this thread if you don't care about "zoomed in images". It's a tech discussion?

RagdollRhino · Oct 25, 2018

CD_93 said:
52 pages boiled down to "Most powerful console = best quality/performance"

Freeze frame and zoom in on stills all you like, still gorgeous in motion on the pro too. Hnnng.

The zooming is a good way to see what you'll notice on a 50+ screen anyway, it is not without merit and I would argue its more evident on 60+ inches that what you're seeing. Chances are you're looking at these comparisons on a phone or smaller screen laptop by comparison to a large HDTV, which most Pro/X1X have, zooming is a great way to see the differences.

On my TV, the main character is larger than most laptop screens, so yeah, keep zooming in please.

Mona · Oct 25, 2018

Anthony Hopkins said:
Its 1080p, with some dips to high-mid 20s occasionally in towns and some cutscenes.

i would wanted it to stick to 30 (obviously), but i think this should probably be good enough

i hope anyway

games dropping into the low 20s regularly like say Dishonored 2 is when it just becomes to much for me

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