Apple Just Killed the 'GrayKey' iPhone Passcode Hack
Big win for consumers- data privacy should be a human right in the digital era IMO.
Big win for consumers- data privacy should be a human right in the digital era IMO.
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(Forbes) Apple kills 'GrayKey' passcode hacking tech with iOS 12
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Good. If governments can get into your devices the hackers probably can too.
Sounds like a software related fix, so I imagine they're referring to all iOS 12 devices
Sounds like a software related fix, so I imagine they're referring to all iOS 12 devices
What about cellebrite, the governments main choice of iPhone hacking?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ess-any-apple-iphone-cellebrite/#1df041c9667a
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ess-any-apple-iphone-cellebrite/#1df041c9667a
Google's been doing better since Android 6.0, but iOS is still the industry standard for a secure mobile OS for the mainstream. Plus a lot of the data on an Android phone is backed up to the cloud, so in theory Google could be forced to turn over a lot of data on you.
Nah, they just don't make money from data mining you. I'm pretty sure if that was their source of rev it would be a diff story.
https://blog.google/products/pixel/titan-m-makes-pixel-3-our-most-secure-phone-yet/
https://www.androidcentral.com/what-samsung-knox
short answer, yes, depending on the model
"If they were a different company, they would do the opposite of what they're doing now."
this is not entirely correct. There is a LOT of stuff that is private from apple, literally device only, that will NEVER be private from google. like your files and stuff are one thing.. and most of that is secure between both OSes.. but
traditional search and usage data
privacy keys used for device and data encryption
machine learning data
encrypted backups online (only accessible by apple IF law enforcement has access onto the phone itself)
etc.
android can say that the data on your phone is totally secure. google cannot (and will not) say your data and backups to the cloud are totally secure (usually if asked for by law enforcement)
apple can say in the vast majority of cases... unless law enforcement has access onto your phone, there is very limited data they can give law enforcement from the cloud.
If that's the case you can use roms that aren't google-based at all. So yeah you can have stuff that google knows nothing about :p
umm... that's not what ROMs do....
it's a result of using Google services, and those services being designed from the start around data collection.
Apple stays winning in this department.
Almost regret switching to Android.
Yeah and you can run roms such as those from LineageOS that don't require google services by default...
of course. but then you are losing a massive chunk of what people buy modern smartphones for (not to mention what most people expect from iOS/Android). not to mention now having to maintain the OS entirely on your own.. it's not practical for even your typical above average consumer. hence why apple gets kudos (their mainstream OS is locked as hell) and google often gets chastised when it comes to privacy.
I mean by the same metric... your iPhone is even more secure if you never create an iCloud account and never back it up.
we're talking consumer use cases.. not going extremely out of your way to run a hardened phone.
I mean, you can get open source alternatives for most if not all things. Or rip APKs yourself...
a lot of stuff that iPhones just won't let you do if you want truly secure stuff. The ability to control it yourself :/
Yeah exactly this.They refuse to accept that Apple is not doing this because they actually care about privacy, it's all a marketing gimmick. Privacy and security comes down to educating the customer.
Apple wants complete control over the customer experience which is something that I completely disagree with. If I don't want to use two factor I shouldn't have my device notifying me to turn it on every day or have my computer trick me into enabling encryption.
The company I work for has flat out banned Google devices from accessing certain services multiple times in the past, which is why I switched to iPhone in the first place and I don't regret my decision. It's nice to feel secure without having to jump through hoops.
I mean, that's the point here. iPhone IS that secure by default. Without direct access to the unlocked phone, apple has no access to identifiable data. everything you are saying "well you CAN do it by heading down the road of custom ROMs"... is iOS out of the box.
I mean, Apple was willing to fight the federal government in court and face massive public backlash over their refusal to unlock the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone. I do think Tim Cook is one of those hyper-libertarian Silicon Valley dudes who genuinely does value privacy and not just as a marketing gimmick.
They arent "hacking into" his phone. Security experts best guess is they are breaking the encryption on the phone tower, nothing to do with getting access into the actual phone or data on the phone. Its just them being able to listen in to his conversations.
It is basically impossible to make smartphones outside of China. They have built entire cities around making smartphones.
this really can't be proven either way. In this case, it just happens that a huge marketing tool/opportunity just HAPPENS to be in the consumer best interest... it's not impossible, just incredibly rare :P and that their biggest competitor in fact got to be as big as they are because they made money by harvesting your private information.
it was a way for them to differentiate themselves from their biggest competitor that just happens to be in the consumer's best interest. are they noble? or did we get really lucky?
The way I see it everything apple does is 100% marketing. It's how they became so famous in the first place. Ensuring privacy and security to them is locking people inside their walled ecosystem where only they have absolute control. Some people might be fine with that but I'm not.
this is patently false FYI. The assurance that your data is private is made BECAUSE you are literally the only one who has absolute control over your privacy. All keys, machine learning data, biometrics, usage data, etc are stored locally on your device (or in some cases p2p distributed across multiple devices of yours, because you choose to)
and just like android... all of your non-proprietary local data is able to be migrated to another platform just fine, as long as you have access onto the device.
No doubt, as long as you have humans involved in the coding process, there will always be vulnerabilities. No doubt the powers that be are currently trying to expose those vulnerabilities and create tool kits for bypassing IOS' controls.
One of the things I miss about iOS is the timed lock and the auto wipe functions. Really wish more Android OEMs had that as an option.